Several planes look a little odd, or have attachments that look odd, and so some people feel they must be part of a decades long conspiracy to spray stuff into the atmosphere to alter the weather or reduce the population. That’s obviously nonsense, but what are these strange planes?
[Update: there are many other photos like the “barrel” interior below, I’ve collected a lot of them on Metabunk]
Here’s one making the rounds, scary looking barrels, and a sign on the wall that possibly says “Hazmat inside”
What is it? It’s a Boeing 777-200LR Worldliner, specifically it’s WD001, a plane that was used for flight testing. The original photo can be found here – note the “Hazmat” text was added later. The barrels contain water, which is pumped around to shift the center of gravity to test various flight characteristics.
Here’s a description of a similar setup from the 2002 book, “Inside Boeing, Building the 777”, page 76., describing tests done in 1994.
From Boeing’s blog:
Remember, we test at the extremes of the weight/CG envelope. This requires us to control the CG during ground and flight conditions. We can move weight, in the form of water, forward or aft with the use of the water ballast system. This system is comprised of 48 barrels, each capable of carrying 460 pounds, connected by tubing to a pump. A computerized system tracks fuel placement, fuel burn, people placement, ballast, flap setting, landing gear position and water barrel quantity. The information is processed to display the airplane’s current CG. We move water or specify fuel tank usage to configure the CG within the specified test requirements.
Why are there overhead luggage compartments? It’s a test plane, and for FAA certification they have to demonstrate that everything works. That includes stuff like the emergency oxygen system, and more minor things like the luggage compartments. It’s a requirement that they don’t pop open in flight – so that needs to be tested. They are also handy for stowing the engineers’ stuff.
Here’s some pictures from Boeing:
And a lot more photos can be found on Boeing’s site.
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This one gets a lot of use in the “chemtrail” forums:
Particularly because of the unusual collections of pipes sticking out in various places. There’s those two at the front, and then there is a group over the wing. Here’s some close ups
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Very sinister looking tubes, but why are half of them facing the wrong way?
The plane is not for spraying the atmosphere, it’s for sampling the atmosphere. It’s a research aircraft, registration N701BN, operated by th e department of energy’s national labs. It’s pretty much one of a kind, so it’s hardly likely to be responsible for all the persistent contrails we see every day. The research is mostly on pollutants in the atmosphere, particularly from coal and oil burning power plants. But they also investigate the properties of clouds, which includes contrails.
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Here’s another photo you see in “chemtrail” videos, with the implied suggestion that it’s some kind of evil spraying device:
Actually it IS a spraying device, but quite innocuous. It’s on an NKC-135A (55-3128) with the refueling boom modified to spray water. This used by the air force to test icing of planes in flight.
Here’s the original photo:
See also: https://www.safaq.hq.af.mil/news/march04/raptor.html
Here’s some more details:
nkc-135-icing-attachmentpv1983_2688.pdf
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This plane is quite interesting:
It’s an E-6B “Tacamo”. This photo shows it dumping fuel (photo from tacamo.org). The E-6B is used by the United States Strategic Command as an airborne communication center. You can see the navy logo on the right wing. The E-6B is a modified version of the Boeing 707-320, and the fuel vents have been moved from the wing tips to between the fuselage and the engines in order to separate it from the communication equipment in the wing tips. This is what the wing-tip ESM/SATCOM pod looks like:
It looks like this odd assemblage is also creating some wingtip vortex contrails as well. The plane is pretty much all white, which is something you hear mentioned from time to time in “chemtrail” conspiracy theories.
Here’s another photo of the same plane, taken from a “chemtrail” YouTube video:
It shows the opening and drogue for the ELF trailing wire antenna. This is a very long wire antenna that is extended behind the plane for several hundred feet and used for communications with submarines. The “drogue” is just a cone-shaped weight. Here’s a close-up
http://www.flickr.com/photos/coldwararchaeology/5180470207/in/photostream
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This plane also looks at first glance like it might be dumping fuel (click image for full sized photo):
But the trails are actually coming from six smoke generators. It was part of a NASA test to study wake vortices, you can read about it here:
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/B-747/HTML/ECN-4242.html
Six smoke generators were installed under the wings of the 747 to provide a visual image of the trailing vortices. The object of the experiments was to test different configurations and mechanical devices on the747 that could be used to break up or lessen the strength of the vortices. The results of the tests could lead to shorter spacing between landings and takeoffs, which, in turn, could alleviate air-traffic congestion.
Here’s another image of the same plane:
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This plane also occasionally get brought up in chemtrail conspiracy groups:
This is obviously not a contrail, it’s far too low and the trail is dropping too rapidly.
It’s a Boeing 747-100 “Supertanker”, modified by Evergreen Aviation, the only one of its kind. Specifically designed for fire fighthing. That’s it dumping water. Here’s some more recent photos.
Here’s a video of it in action, titled “B747 chemtrails”. It’s interesting reading the comments, as the first comment correctly identifies what it is, and then everyone else just ignores that and starts speculating.
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This one looks like a plane spraying stuff. But again it’s rather close to the ground. It’s actually taking off with the assistance of rockets. It’s not spraying, that’s just rocket exhaust.
This particular plane is a Boeing B-47B, rocket assisted take off, April 15, 1954. An no, that’s not a contrail in the sky behind it – it’s rip in the photo. Click on it for a large version from Wikipedia.
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This one is used for cloud seeding. It does not actually spray anything but uses silver iodine flares that are either ejected, or burn in place.
It’s operated by the Sandy land Underground Water Conservation district of Plains, Texas, as part of their SOAR program. They have some more photos of similar equipment on their site. They are all small aircraft not capable of getting to the above 30,000 feet where contrails normally form.
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This next photo is also of silver iodine flares, fixed underneath at large plane.
These also show up in “chemtrail” literature. They are sold by Weather Modification Inc, they make a range of weather modification equipment. About this one they say:
WMI racks for ejectable flares are mounted on the belly of the aircraft fuselage. Each rack holds 102 cartridges. When fired, the pyrotechnic is ignited and ejected from the aircraft. In this configuration, the WMI Lear 35A is equipped with four 102-count racks for ejectable glaciogenic pyrotechnics, a total of 408 flares.
Here’s another, this time from North American Weather Consultants, Inc.
About which they say:
This aircraft-mounted cloud seeding generator is fixed in place, and can burn a silver iodide solution during flight.
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This one is the “Mk.32 drogue-type underwing pod on the Armée de l’Air Boeing C-135FR Stratotanker” (“93-CC”- s/n 63-8472 of GRV 93). It’s an in-flight refueling system on a French Boeing C-135FR Stratotanker, photographed in Canada, Feb 2005.
See: http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/tanker_flight_240205.htm
The following is supposed to be a plane that has “chemtrail aerosol nozzles” over three of the engines.
In reality, this plane N707MQ is a Boeing 707-320B. The engines are Pratt & Whitney JT3D-3:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Omega-Tanker/Boeing-707-321B/1622886/M/
It should be perfectly obvious that the “nozzles” are facing the wrong way to be spraying anything. They are actually turbocompressors, which are driven by engine bleed air, and are used to pressurize the interior of the plane. There are only three, as that’s all you need. Here’s a discussion:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/8225/
Here’s a paper on the Moscow cloud seeding this decade.
http://www.wmo.ch/pages/prog/arep/wmp/documents/Koloskov_Russia.pdf
Rather limited data, but does seem to show some effectiveness.
I would say they do reach levels of effectiveness. I love watching the sky May 9th for many reasons! 1) I am in the southbound path of the jet fighters that fly over Red Square, 2) If there is an overcast and maybe rain, I watch it break up a bit and watch the sun come out. This PDF is a good insight into their work. спасибо большое Унсинус =)
“This is probably because they are right next to natural aluminum deposits.”
Or it’s probably accumulated from aluminum particle spraying from planes that either flew over or it drifted onto all that snow.
Probably, maybe, possibly, likely, inconclusive, incomplete, more tests needed, unknown for sure, yada yada yada.
Anything you test will have elements the Earth is abundant with, everything came out of or rained down upon the Earth so that element abundance argument is silly. If the test results came back with hazardous high levels of mercury, would the argument be, mercury is abundant in the Earth? They probably tested in a spot that had high concentrations? Every sq ft of the mountain needs to be tested to be sure? That’s lawyer delay tactics, play the inconclusive cards until they run dry, then attack the source’s credibility and/or redirect… they do teach this stuff.
It seems Aspartame & Fluoride are ‘ok’ poisons so why not heavy aluminum & barium?
**A Lake Shasta sample from Pit River Arm tributary tested at 4,610,000 ugl (ugl=ppb or parts per billion), over 4610 times the MCL for aluminum in drinking water for the State of California.**
**A pond in Shasta County in a “filtered location” (forested hilltop away from any highway or industry) tested “0″ for aluminum when the pond was constructed and filled. After 18 months’ exposure to the atmosphere, the pond tested at 375,000 ugl or 375 times the MCL.**
What are the likely reasons for this chance occurrence? All these test results show the same high levels of these same elements. You can make theories debunking the why’s and how’s, but after years of these “coincidences” it gets to a point of ridiculousness to argue.
I can’t find pictures of those Mt. Shasta test results documents, but I did find them in a video –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4rFb7f-43g&feature=player_embedded
At 6:35 it appears to be the original documents.
Не за что.
Mercury isn’t abundant. Aluminium is. Mercury is highly poisonous. Aluminium is what we store our soda in, and what we cook our food in.
If they were spraying then the water in the middle of the lake is what they need to test to demonstrate this. Testing in ponds and tributaries just shows the local concentration. All they needed to do was take samples from say three spots in the lake. Why have they not done this?
In the Earth’s crust, average concentration:
Mercury = 0.08 ppm
Aluminum = 830,000 ppm
Aluminium is 10,000,000 as common as Mercury.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(element)#Occurrence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum#Natural_occurrence
The mercury example was just an example, not to be taken literally. And I agree mercury is “highly poisonous”, so why are dentists still using it for tooth fillings? Especially in children? Isn’t the word out on mercury, for a while now? I guess when you rule out the impossible (meaning Dr. ignorance) then whatever is left, however unlikely, is the only conclusion…. intentional mercury poisoning. So… they will do that, and continue ‘partially’ poisoning drinking water with sodium fluoride, aspartaming children to retardation, etc, etc, etc,… but they’d NEVER chemtrail the continents? They would admit to what they are doing in the ‘research’ phases of operations? Come on, knock it off.
вот это да! Ты понимаешь русский! Я очень рад! =)
As for testing lake for high aluminum, no matter what, it doesn’t tell you anything about what is in a particular cloud. It isn’t misdirection, it is logic. A pollution in the form of particulates stick to the water particles and they continue until they fall as rain. Even on the way down they can absorb pollutants. Besides that, pollution can be airborne for years and also can settle through out the land. The only one making theories right now is you, Attorney. You are linking an alleged test of high aluminum content found in a lake as proof contrails in the sky are really chemtrails.
If you test a contrail and it shows an extremely high rate of aluminum. Then surrounding atmosphere high rate. Then atmosphere away from contrails have minimum amounts. Then you’ll have something, but even then the contrails are often above the jet stream (polar jets 7–12 km) so the concentration would dramatically diffuse. As Uncinus says, if they’re spraying, it will be all over the place. Not a concentrated in lake, what do they have new chemtrail divebombers now? It is the “chemtrails” that are the theory at question, it will never add up.
Thanks for the video link. It says that “3/4 Mile above upper Ski Bowl parking Lot”, sampled on 07/09/08 (July 9th).
Some points there:
– It was sampled in summer. So it’s old snow, melted down, with lots of wind-blown dust deposition.
– It’s in a ski area. Skis equipment is often made of aluminum.
– Snow grooming snowcat treads and rakes are made of aluminum.
– There’s no indication of HOW the sample was collected.
But really the bottom line is that it’s meaningless if the aluminum does not show up in the middle of Lake Shasta. All it shows is you found a local spot high in aluminum.
Why sample dirty old snow near lots of aluminum contamination sources, when they should be sampling the middle of the lake – assuming they want to link it to spraying.
The millions needed to be involved with a “chemtrail” operation would make this the biggest story with real leaks, yet Julian Assange of Wikileaks has yet to catch wind of any damning evidence of chemtrails existence, I wonder why?
So now you will believe in chemtrails because there is flouride in the water? Oh you’ll love this link…. this goes beyond intuition.
http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/offbeat-news/10-radioactive-products-that-people-actually-used/1388
There is something silly like that though.
http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/cloudbuster.htm
it started off as someone trying to profit from this chemtrail theory. Internet made it grow into those who believe in mystics.
I didn’t claim any evidence I presented confirms chemtrails exist, it’s just more coincidental examples coming back from test results all over the world I’ve come across. People are mostly using rain water samples, sometimes snow, no one is using soil samples except for ph levels. My own personal experiments have proven that soil ph is losing acidity, yielding 80-90% less crops than store bought potting soil/mix under the same conditions. Regardless, the soil is getting worse, the air quality is worsening, everyone has some kind of health issue at all ages, and you guys are defending how normal all this is, and that is the way it is suppose to be. Enjoy.
Yeah the cloud busters do crack me up, I saw those on eBay last year and couldn’t believe it. The other link of radioactive products only proves the point of how stupid the average American is and was and how long the Eugenics plan has been in affect. Alex Jones’ Endgame only scratches the surface of how sick those people were, but if you want to believe they all died off and Eugenics has ended, or the Nazis went away after WW2, then I got a few stars & planets for sale on eBay if you’re interested.
Even sampling in the middle of the lake can’t link it to “chemtrails”. How can you prove some criminal didn’t dump waste in the lake at night? Or if there is a huge deposit of bauxite there? Why are you looking at the wrong end of the equation? Pure proof would be a contrail sample. Fly around in the atmosphere near contrails to get a base sample that will be used to compare against, then fly through multiple contrails and compare. In the end it will resemble exhaust.
If there’s pollutions there’s pollution. I’m not defending that.
I’m saying there’s no link between these test results and contrails, or even cloud seeding.
Soil generally does get worse when used for crops. It’s an age old problem. There are many possible causes. Why link it to the contrails from passenger jets? Jets produce far less pollution than cars (in total), and the visible trails are just water.
True, but if the levels were unchanged, then it would show that there’s been no spraying.
Of course though the actually thing to do would be to sample a contrail. Nobody takes the theory serious enough to do that though.
They mix those particles with the jet fuel, so commercial airliners can do 2 things at once and it saves a lot of money that way. They can geo-engineer the skies for supposed “global warming” , chaff, whatever the reasons may be, and only use military or private aircraft to fill in the gaps if any. There are many planes that disperse those trails well below the altitude for lingering contrails. It’s a desperate argument to say the only way to prove it is by taking a pure contrail sample, which you know can’t really be done ‘legally’, so the mystery can stay unsolved forever in lawyer speak land.
@Attorney, I am glad you have a sense of humour)))) As for Alex Jones, I spent plenty of time on that site. He doesn’t always tell the truth. He mentioned recently that Soviet Union captured 20,000 US soldiers and that US didn’t care and they were sent to camps and disappeared. That was exactly what he meant, words may not be exact.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1992-11-12/news/1992317203_1_volkogonov-soviet-union-prison-camps
Granted Stalin held some that had Russian names or that were Jewish. Stalin wasn’t a nice man, but to insinuate US doesn’t care if another country holds 20,000 of its citizens. That is outrageous. The cold war wasn’t in full swing. If you read more, a lot more Americans were captured as they were sent into the Soviet Union on information gathering missions and were shot down.
No matter what you think of Flouride it is good to filter your water! Chemtrails is nonsense though. The US and Soviet taking of Nazi scientists is called spoils of war. They wanted their knowledge. We can argue IBM and Henry Fords involvement, but this site is about contrails.
I stand corrected… it can be done, taking fresh samples that is. I was thinking of very fresh, as in taking the sample while near the teet of the plane expelling it, because if it isn’t taken in that way, then the argument of element contaminants in the samples that were already in the air will be used.
Of course it can be done legally. Just charter a plane and fly up there. There are no real restriction on the airspace above Shasta.
There reason nobody has done this is really because there’s not enough evidence to justify it. When you look into the science behind the chemtrail theory you quickly find out that there’s nothing to it, and that the supposed “chemtrails” look and behave exactly like contrails. So anyone with the energy to spend $10,000 on flying up to take samples would have the energy to figure out there’s no reason to.
So you say that if you sample the trail two minutes after it comes out then it will have dissipated to normal background levels?
If so then how is it going to be concentrated at all hours or days later when it reaches the ground?
No what I’m saying is that unless the contrail-chemtrail sample is taken ‘freshly’ as in within a minute of dispersing, the ‘argument’ will be used that the samples have been contaminated by whatever was in the air at that particular area.
I’d also like to think the people taking the Mt. Shasta samples have half a brain enough to not take samples from obvious aluminum ski impact areas, and whatever water samples that are taken are not just concentrated areas in lakes and ponds. You seem to assume people aren’t thinking of these things, or you’re just inserting them in where it isn’t stated either way.
I’ve seen far worse mistakes been made with these tests. Have you see the Arizona Skywatch tests?
https://contrailscience.com/chemtrail-non-science/
Off by a factor of 6000x, because they measured the wrong thing. And then repeated the same mistake a year later.
Non-attorney-
Frankly I don’t remember where or how many times I’ve said this here but it’s been quite a few: I HAVE directly flown through several very fresh and several older persistant contrails (“chemtrails”). Almost all have been from other aircraft but I have flown through my own once.
You must realize that whatever we fly through we breath almost immediately. Therefore whatever is in the contrails we ingest. If we are ingesting something that is designed to be disbursed over a large area from a high altitude then we must be exposed to a highly concentrated dose and since our engines further compress whatever they ingest it is still further concentrated. So in theory millions of samples have allready been ingested by all the millions of air passengers all over the world. How would you suppose there isn’t a higher incidence of any illness or for that matter benefit among say airline employees who are undoubtedly exposed to the highest levels of contrail matter over the longest periods of time?
This is, in my opinion, one of the largest holes in chemtrail theory that so far, no one has addressed. Care to take a stab?
Uh oh…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/4610474/Toxic-cabin-air-found-in-new-plane-study.html
Note they did not find any aluminium, just stuff you’d expect to find.
“So in theory millions of samples have allready been ingested by all the millions of air passengers all over the world. How would you suppose there isn’t a higher incidence of any illness or for that matter benefit among say airline employees who are undoubtedly exposed to the highest levels of contrail matter over the longest periods of time?”
Well I didn’t know all of you had the windows down on those planes. I assumed the air was filtered in somehow. I do know former airline attendants who have cancers in their mid 50s now, that could be just bad diet though. Truth is, there are so many toxins out there in our daily lives that it’s virtually impossible to pinpoint the source of any of our illnesses, the whole health care area is flooded with disinfo and marketing, how can anyone say for sure what caused these illnesses or cancers?
It isn’t “normal” to be getting cancers in our teens, 20s, 30s, and 40s, is it? As technology advances, life spans shorten? And don’t give me those fake UN numbers or any triple letter agencies’ & organization’s data, they are all friends of friends of those who run the show, the top corporations. Go watch Bill Gates admit what vaccines and healthcare will do… as in reduce the population by 10-15%, Gates’ own words, youtube search it online.
The town I use to live in on the east coast of America has a ratio of about 1 out of every 2 families have a member with a terminal disease or cancer (all ages). I’m just looking for some answers and solutions to these health issues going on in my country, and it goes without saying that our leaders don’t have the civilians best interests at heart in ALL political and corporate business decisions.
No- we do not fly with the windows open but I guess I forgot to mention that all the air we breath is unfiltered air straight from the engines. If the seals are leaking in the compressor section then you get what Uncinus is referencing. I’m actually somewhat concerned about that but our engines are different than most commercial planes and I don’t think we have that problem.
So I understand you are looking for solutions to problems but I think you need to let go of the chemtrail theory. Please direct that energy somwhere else.
Erm… the trails are contrails.
And how has this changed over the last 30 years?
I find these kind of assertions interesting. My own personal theory is that much of the hypochondria seen in the conspiracy community is simply the result of getting old. People don’t realize that it’s perfectly natural to not feel as healthy as you did ten years ago. After all, you are 10 years older. When you are 40 you get aches and pains that you don’t get when you are 30. The older you get, the more health problems you’ll have. Also the older you get, the more people you know will have health problems.
It’s like a recurring misconception that can happen to everyone. You think you are ill. You are just old.
This then gets compounded by a strong belief that you are being poisoned (a belief encouraged by the chemtrail promotors like William Thomas, who sell “remedies”). You pay more attention to your aches and pains, so you notice them more.
Uncinus:
But none as devastating as PLOWING, which exposes the moist subsurface material containing MILLIONS of distinct and specialized organisms to WIND and SUNLIGHT, killing them.
Without the glutinous surface film to stick them together, the individual surface particles BLOW AWAY.
These particles may turn up in “test jars”. If analyzed, they are probably made of CLAY, and will be read as ALUMINUM.
Not the first time that has happened: the neat BAe 146, as used be the RAF and the Queen’s Flight, is also prone to leaking organophosphate oil into the air conditioning, due to the use (possibly mal-use?) of helicopter gas turbines as turbojet engines.
I am surprised that such a material isn’t blacklisted for commercial use, as it is a nerve poison.
Nothing to do with chemtrails – it’s a REAL risk…
OP
Your obviously a paid liar.
Spin all the lies you want,
The world knows ‘they’ are spraying us like bugs.
Well “they” suck at it because I feel great!
NOT a Gov. Troll, No, those who refuse to learn the facts BELIEVE we are being sprayed like bugs. We are not…it’s a hoax. I would welcome ANY evidence that says otherwise. It just never comes…
I have just read this ENTIRE thread (apart from the Russian and Italian bits) and…wow. 9/11, GMOs, aliens, ufos, orbs, fluoridation, mercury, vaccination, gravity, Morgellons, disease clusters, the Cold War, eugenics…quite the spread you have there.
I came here because one of my fb acquaintances posted a few pictures of contrails and called them chemtrails. I first came across the idea of chemtrails through Nancy Dee webcomics which included Morgellons numerous times. I was intrigued, and in researching what it was, came across both Kangen water and chemtrails. Oh me oh my! What a hoot! Pseudoscience is something I collect so I can have a good rant about the importance of science with my classes. (I was, however, disappointed nobody has made a claim for a link between chemtrails and magnets yet; there’s still time.)
The first main stumbler here seems to be people insisting all contrails dissipate quickly, and anything that doesn’t must be a chemtrail instead. Indeed, my friend said “If the dispersing stays in the sky for longer than one minute, they are lingering chemicals.” Mere semantics. Can’t contrails do what clouds can do? Surely they can dissipate or linger, retain sharp edges or spread out diffusely. This, to me, would seem to be common sense (with the link “Contrails to Cirrus” posted repeatedly in response to queries, not that I can follow it all that easily). However, it appears that most chemtrail supporters here refuse to acknowledge than contrails can persist, and mostly do not respond to Uncinus’s request for how else chemtrails differ noticeably from contrails (except one person who said chemicals have to be brown).
A number of other questions about the chemtrail conspiracy sprung to my mind, and I asked my friend all of them:
Who is spraying?
What are they spraying?
Why are they spraying it?
Who is paying for it?
Where are they getting the chemicals from?
Where are these planes leaving from?
What part of the plane are the chemicals sprayed from?
Where are these planes storing the chemicals?
When and where are they filling up with these chemicals?
Why would it be so secret and conspiratorial, and yet so blatantly obvious?
Why would NZ’s government be “spraying chemicals” when our clean reputation is so important for tourism?
Why isn’t everyone getting sick? [How effective is the placebo effect?].
Why spray so high off the ground when so much of what is supposedly sprayed would drift out to sea from that height?
More importantly, where is the evidence that these lingering trails contain chemicals?
She told me to research the answers to these questions myself. Huh – I would expect someone who is convinced we are being sprayed to have some of these answers, because they are logistically important to their claim. I’ve got the explanation I’m happy with from my research; I don’t want to have to dig out their side too, especially after having already spent hours here.
I, too, asked for some evidence. I was told she can’t give it because it’s “dangerous”, “people are currently risking their own lives to investigate this”, so they “have to stay anonymous”. I said that’s much like what someone would say who had no evidence. Here, I have repeatedly seen people post the http://www.rense.com website as ‘evidence’, and repeatedly seen Uncinus calmly post the same refutation of it in response. The implication, chemtrailers, is what else have you got? Apparently because the government has lied to people, nothing from the government about anything can be trusted at all, but the fact YouTube abounds with absolute bullpucky does not discredit all of its clips in the same manner. Huh? Uncinus’ drawing of attention to 70 yrs worth of science plus all meteorological texts ever seems to have been largely ignored.
I particularly liked the bit about clouds in the middle – I would have thought the pre-1905 existence of “artificial” cloud formations fairly blew that theory right out of the sky (snerk). I was lucky enough to see mammatus clouds, coincidentally shortly after a different friend had posted some pictures of them taken in New York on facebook, and I had researched them, so that I knew what I was looking at. I was way too slow with my camera though.
None of this really helps at all, but I just felt after having spent so long here reading, no way was I going to walk away without throwing my 2c in.
Thanks for the feedback Madeleine. You make a good point about clouds. I think a lot of the misunderstanding could be alleviated if people just realized one simple fact: that “contrails are a type of cloud”.
Given that, you’d expect them to behave exactly as other types of cloud behave. Vanish, linger, or spread, depending on the weather.
That’s perhaps something I should try reiterating more.
THIS SITE IS A DISINFO SITE RUN BY THE CIA
Assume that it is.
Then show me one incorrect thing on this site.
Clouds also help to demonstrate how the atmosphere is variable both horizontally and vertically. How come one plane leaves a trail and another doesn’t? Same reason as clouds form at some heights and not others (most people have flown above cloud layers in a plane at some point, or at least been in fog). How come the trail starts and stops? Same reason clouds can be non-continuous, and have edges.
I eventually had her saying things like “What the H*** is wrong with the government?!”
and “I feel like screaming but it’s socially unacceptable to do so.” and “F*** everything. I don’t care.” and now it appears we are no longer fb friends. Oh well.
Truth wrote:
“THIS SITE IS A DISINFO SITE RUN BY THE CIA”
Why is it that so many “chemtrail” hoax believers (suckers) have the word “truth” in their names, but come here and spread lie after lie?! Sorry, truth…everything here is verifiable fact. Would you care to even TRY to prove ANY of the info on this site as false?! Didn’t think so…which is why you won’t reply to me…and will change your name when/if you make another post in on this site. You have NOTHING to support your claims. When will you “chemtrail” fantasy believers understand that fact?! I just LOVE how the facts in this matter are NOTHING like the “information” those who have fallen for the “chemtrail” hoax ACCEPT as fact. It’s also quite a shame that so many “believe” they can “learn” about this subject from others that have never studied the facts. The blind leading the blind. Hilarious.
It is very easy to assert such a thing, especially if you never feel the need to provide any evidence. Let me try:
This site was written by genetically engineered oysters.
Ooo, fun!
All you have to do is make it *sound* like there is evidence:
Reports have shown that the Algerians have been genetically modifying oysters to make them intelligent and able to use computers. Oysters didn’t used to do that when I was young!
Below are some of the aspects of the psychology of the “True Believer” personality in general. They’re not just limited to conspiracy theorists, they’re also what keeps people in cults for example. These psychological mechanisms allow the construction of completely successful barriers to reason.
http://www.skepdic.com/ignorance.html
http://www.skepdic.com/adhoc.html
http://www.skepdic.com/comreinf.html
http://www.skepdic.com/confirmbias.html
http://www.skepdic.com/posthoc.html
http://www.skepdic.com/selectiv.html
http://www.skepdic.com/selfdeception.html
Well I feel like a fool after visiting ur web!I truly believed in chemtrails because I had never seen it b4 but ur pics on WW2 contrails opened my mind!
I still believe the gov could use this to cover up some more classified operation, how to tell they lie so much, and sadly we only get briefed lon long time after when black tape removed!
I will be forever vigilant but open minded, when u are wrong and proven too so there is no shame in changing mind, only close minded people do not change theirs, u learn everyday!!!
Awesome site
I could not picture a better way to dumb down the masses and misinform them in pretty much all conspiracy aspects. This is exaclty what Hitler wanted to do. Do you mind letting us know, who is funding you nazis here? Also mind telling me why you guys only attack amatuers with your disinfo. I never see you debunking someone like Tankerenemy on youtube. Thats because your lies can never stand up to the real truth.
The people are waking up and your disinfo site will never stop this movement. Keep looking up people and stay away from nazis.
LOL. I love reading all the made up stories on here of truthers gon mad and truthers converting back to reality. OMG What a bunch of delusional folks we got here i tell you.
So here is my story of Emma…
Emma has gon of the deep end, i tell you folks. Last month while we had a skywatch meeting and presentation here in STL she broke in and started to create an unrest. She verbally attacked all of the attendees and physically attacked one of the presenters and would not stop until the arrival of police. With police present she continued her ranting and accused us of presenting false information and requested all of us to be locked up. She just could not grasp and understand why people like us exist. Its is a shame but Emma has No critical thought and the outsourcing of her brain to so called trusted sources has made her what she is today, A SHEEP. I just want to help Emma. Please advise.
I would debunk tankerenemy but he bans and censors people from his videos…does not tolerate dissent..unlike this site where you are free to express your opinion.
Can you point out any information on this website that is wrong or not independently verifiable?
Not only is the information you present here wrong but you people running this operation are wrong… “in your head”. One without the other can not exist nor function and to explain one without the other would be pointless. So please spare me your nice words and have a good day nazi. You may resume your brainwashing.
Albert, if something is wrong, then why don’t you offer a correction?
Independently verifiable. LOL please spare me this bull talk. I question authority unlike you SHEEP. I dont take whatever is shoved down my throat. I m a critical thinker, a patriot and I love to exercise my god given rights. I love to assemble and point out traitors and liers just like this site. You still have not answered my question of who signs your pay cheks here. President’s Commission on Population Growth and the American Future, headed by John D. Rockefeller III, maybe?
I dont think i can correct the entire site and get rid of you admins. But why dont we just take the entire site down for the sake of humanity. Would be easier.
classic. In avoidance of actually dealing in anything of substance, you can only attack.
Seriously, put your “freedom” where your mouth is…Take anything on this site and point out why it is incorrect, a lie or whatever. Do it in a mature and substantive and and you will be taken seriously. If all you have is slander and personal attacks- don’t bother.
You still ignored my question. I should not be bothered with people so self centered like you nazis. Blah blah blah that is all you people do, talk doo doo just like all the politicians. Grow a pair of balls mate and stand for what is right once.
Assume for the sake of argument that we work for the CIA.
Now, point out something that is incorrect.
by faithinscience
“Nothing creates a conspiracy theorist better than a few assumptions and some conclusion jumping.”
I had to correct his statement:
Nothing creats a sheep better than outsourcing your thought and critical thinking to the so called trusted sources.
Why cant you folks settle down?
You tell me i personally attack people. Please look at the attacking comments you NAZIs post here. You telling me not to bother posting but you monsters attack people more than anyone else on here.
First you lie to the public (misteaching and brainwashing)
Second you attack people not following your train of thougt
Please go back to eating dicks you losers.
Ohh you want to play?
Albert, I’ll give you one chance to actually raise a specific objection – actually point out something that is incorrect, and present evidence supporting your claim. But if you persist in simply calling people Nazis, then I’m afraid I’m going to have to take away your posting privileges.
So: what’s incorrect, and why?
ContrailScience.com is just a place where I write about contrails and science – which also includes some looking at the “chemtrails” theory, and pseudoscience.
I mean, seriously?
Do I need to say any more. LOL
Yes, you do. Point out one error. Your continual failure to do so quite clearly indicates to everyone that you are entirely wrong.
Yes, you need MUCH more than that! He was saying that he is interested in “pseudoscience” not because he likes posting his own, but because he likes posting examples from OTHER people and exposing it for what it is. I love his challenge to you, and your COMPLETE inability to provide the information he requested! I’m not “outsourcing your (my) thought and critical thinking”. I just understand this subject much better than you will EVER be able to. Go ahead, pretend that you have educated yourself enough by watching youtube videos to reject that VERY well understood science that explains each and every trail in the sky. As Uncinus has pointed out, YOUR inability to provide ANYTHING in this site that is in error only goes to show that YOU are the one who is wrong. Stop accusing others of lying, when YOU are doing so, hypocrite. I also love how you whine about name calling (Which Uncinus censors from ALL sides) and then you proceed to do the same thing! The ONLY reason you “question” authority is because you don’t understand the facts as they are presented to you. Don’t worry about it…not everyone is able to understand atmospheric science. YOU are the traitor/liar here pal…you are accusing your own people of wrongdoing, and then refusing to provide evidence. You disgust me.
The human populous has been experimented on in the past, and you agree this is confirmed of happening, don’t you really think that there is a slight possibility we are being experimented on now and just not told by those in power just like it happened in the past.
They experimented (sprayed) over England and never told anyone until the information was declassified 30 years later. So technically we could be under an experiment now and just not deemed important to be told by those who perform it.
“Technically” there’s an infinite number of things that might be happening. But to pick one to actually believe in, you need some evidence.
Or did you just pick “chemtrails” at random, as an example of things “they” might be doing?
Take it as read that the government is evil and would no shrink from doing evil things to the populace.
Now, given that, what evidence is there that they are actually doing something involving trails in the sky?
Surely you can’t be believing in the chemtrail theory based on “they are evil, and have done evil things in the past, so those white lines must be evil spraying”. Surely you have some evidence to back up your theory.
So what is it?
Albert A. has been placed in Moderation for failing to be polite.
Want to know all the experimets already perfomed on you.
Please google:
“1994 Rockefeller Report”
And this is from 1994, with the advances in technology god only knows what they are doing today.
LOL!!! So, since something happened in the past, that must mean that “chemtrails” are “real”?!? Man, there is no fighting THAT logic! Where is it written that any instace in the past resulted in trails like the ones we see today?! How do you know the planes that DON’T leave trails aren’t the ones “spraying” CLEAR chemicals?! Prove me wrong on THAT! It amazes me that so many find the concept of evidence…trivial. Again, you made the claim that this site contains information that is untruthful. Back your words up! And calling those of us who HAVE bothered to learn these subjects from reliable sources, “traitors” just for possessing the knowledge you don’t have. THAT the biggest lie told in the whole “chemtrail” “debate”! Because I actually learned the facts from those qualified to teach the facts, I’m the bad guy?!~ Sorry, that isn’t how it works.
I have been away for a while so apologies for not replying sooner. Thanks very much for the topics you highlighted for me, very fascinating indeed. I’m no closer to understanding these contrails fully as I have decided to no longer pursue any things which cause me to feel negative (as hard as that may sound) I will now be concentrating only on positive ventures. This may well be my last post here so let me say a huge thanks to all who have read my posts and given your feedback.
Peace love and light to everyone.
Albert, I understand your argument to be:
(1) The CIA has done bad things in the past.
(2) Therefore the “chemtrail” theory is true.
Please correct me if I’m wrong
OMG OMG…Run Chicken Little Run!!! The sky is falling!!
Sorry, I just had to do that. THINK people. If the Government was going to poison us from the sky they would NOT use something that EVERYONE CAN SEE coming. They would not do it from 25000+ feet. There’s no guarantee that it would actually make it to LAND. If they truely wanted to poison us or use some chemical to control the population that would use the most feasible method around. OUR WATER SUPPLY. THINK people. And Please stop reading the conspiracy theory bunk out there. I would much rather think my fellow Americans are smarter than some of the things I’ve read here.
They got the water supply theory covered with the Fluoride stories. They’ll tell you they’re being attacked on multiple fronts. They’ll tell you they found aluminum and barium from test done after filtering the air with a hepa filtering, ignoring the volume of air of the sky and the fact pollutants can come from anywhere. THe only way to know what is coming from the contrail is to test it itself. They’ll pull documents about geoengineering and make claims that the contrails are directly related to them. The thing is, it is easy to make claims, but hard to sit there reading facts and scientific information. You’ll get tired first, guaranteed, they’ll continue making their claims and nothing will ever change.
OMG OMG!!!!!! They are idoctrinating our CHILDREN!!!! NFS Shift there is a chemtrail in the game!!! They are making us think it is normal! The sick government!!! Even gaming developers are in on this madness…
yeah……
asking some people to think, isn’t always a good thing…..
Well, to answer all of the questions regarding this site… the person who wrote this article is obviously a fucking brain-washed idiot without a thought process of their own. Plain and simple.
As are many of these people.
^^^^^ my point exactly….. No material just a verbal assault. Is this what has become of American public education?
It’s all true, I’ve been studying the sky for the past week and see plane after plane flying over my house making chemtrails, and what’s amazing is you see the chemtrail widening then you start to see the clouds get grey and surprise surprise it starts to rain….
Also after a few hour’s the blue sky returns in some area’s and you know what you see going straight through it! Yet another plane with a chemtrail, and the same process happens again.
I’m not listening to what everyone is saying but i am talking of what i have seen with my own two eye’s. People need to wake up!!!
Hi Charlie, have you ever considered that maybe the contrails form differently when the weather changes, rather than contrails affecting the weather? See:
http://www.ehow.com/how_6033373_forecast-weather-using-jet-contrails.html
Well, Charlie said it, so it must be true. I guess it is time we give up our education and years of scientific studies all based on an observation of a weather front that promotes an atmosphere suitable for contrails. sigh…..
Here’s a bit of philosophy from the world’s most popular poet (Rumi, 13th century Persian): “Fools gold exists because there is real gold.” Some conspiracies are real, others are not. The govt has admitted to many conspiracies decades later, like experiments on unknowing people with syphilis and radiation. And there’s plenty of people making money off fake conspiracies, writing books, etc. One reason the govt is so suspect is their secrecy. Glad this site exists.
In all the time I’ve spent reading and posting on this site, I have yet to see a chemtrail enthusiast disprove any of the arguments/evidence presented by Uncinus.
I HAVE however seen many chemtrail enthusiasts engage in multi-post tirades filled with plenty of name calling and accusation, but provide zero counter arguments and/or evidence.
Hmmm, tell me again which side is being funded by some shadowy organization hell bent on promoting disinformation at all costs?
lawlz
Wow, this is really fascinating. Not the science of contrails, but the psychology of how the conspiracy theorists work. It is exactly the same for the Moon landing and 9/11 conspiracies and don’t forget religion, the biggest of all
Basically the proof for the conspiracy theorist is in evidence that they don’t know how to explain – so they build an explanation to fit the evidence that reinforces the conspiracy. But they don’t test their explanation to see if it is true. A great example of this was done by Myth Busters when they busted several key myths bandied about by the moon landing conspiracy fraternity. They were able to create simple and logical experiments that showed the flawed explanations for perceived irregularity in photos and movies were just that.
Perhaps I could ask a few questions for the believers.
So would you say that contrails don’t exist? ie the white trails in the skies are all chemtrails?
The problem is that even if you bust “several key facts”, they will always have a few more in reserve. Even if you bust everything they bring up, they still can fall back on “well, I don’t remember the sky looking like this, and the government is known to be evil, so something is up”.
I have had many friends trying to convince me that we are being sprayed and never believed it.
This site has really opened my eyes and made me research for myself.
I now see the truth, I have some really nutty friends.
“I now see the truth, I have some really nutty friends.”
That’s for sure!
Hey Uncinatus, how about debunking all your theories of persistent contrails with 2 videos?
Are you gonna tell us now, that the plane is turning the engines off? Or that he is dumping fuel? Who is paying you for your disinformation?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSSWnXQsgOU
And here? The humidity is changing within one kilometer, so the persistent contrails become non-persistent? Hahahaha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfhEtAH0sYA
Sorry for misspelling, I meant Uncinus. I wanna see your pathetic explanations to my arguements given above, so reply asap.
For the first video, see:
https://contrailscience.com/fake-hoax-chemtrail-videos/
For the second, yes, the humidity can change is a short distance. Like with clouds. See:
https://contrailscience.com/why-do-some-planes-leave-long-trails-but-others-dont/
Pathetic explanations? So science is pathetic to you and having NO understanding why contrails and be broken… The On and Off chemtrail crowd are the most amazing people. Yeah, that altitude they are picking certain villages for spray. I bet you 100000000000$ you could piss on the head of your friend from the top of the Eiffel tower with him standing at the base below. You think the air is stable and that humidity is evenly distributed? That is below even basic knowledge of the atmosphere which can easily explain how contrails break up and you are the one speaking with Vitriol?
1)Aerodynamic contrails, the air is very humid, the pressure from the wings condenses water. The sun passing through it gives it color. The points that are pointed to for spraying are in fact the flap mechanisms seen here and here . So what is shown as spray apparatuses ending up being just flap actuators, kind of makes that video look really silly, but it is a cool aerodynamic contrail.
2)That video, being no closer than 7000m, shows EXACTLY how the atmosphere is not EVEN. The trail is thick and then thinner and then thicker….and it stops AS The engine interacts with the atmosphere… As the atmosphere changes the contrail changes. Nothing about that video resembles a spraying operation. If you want to watch something be sprayed for real, watch THIS!
Such cool aerodynamic contrails, 6 trails from 3 turbofans, you obviously are missing some point. I expected some logical arguements, instead of giving me links to your website, where every second word is “hoax”, or at least link to external sources proving your hypothesis. Regarding the chemtrails issue discussed on german TV, they confessed to spraying on a damn TV, are you gonna convince the military now saying “come on guys, you just had aerodynamic contrails, you lack basic knowledge on physics” ? Why are you so persistently defending this false “persistent contrails” theory? Do they pay you for this job?
check this video out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfhEtAH0sYA&NR=1
scroll to ‘1:50. What are you gonna say now? HOOAAOOAOXXXX? How do you explain the gap in the trail? The pilot turned accidently the engine off, lol? I’m lacking basic knowledge and in that spot humidity was totally different? I’m waiting for explanations, without word “hoax” please.
I give you links because they directly explain the things your videos show.
Aerodynamic contrails don’t come from the engines, they come from the wing surface. If you want some external references, there are usually several linked in each article, like in this one of Aerodynamic contrails:
https://contrailscience.com/aerodynamic-and-rainbow-contrails/
The germans did not admit to spraying anything other than chaff. See:
https://contrailscience.com/germans-admit-they-used-duppel/
And I think you’ll find the work “hoax” is only used in one article here, the one about videos that are clearly hoaxed.
https://contrailscience.com/fake-hoax-chemtrail-videos/
Here’s one reference for gaps in contrails, it gives a very detailed explanation of exactly what is shown in your video.
http://docweather.com/2/show/40/
I’m sure you could find more with a bit of googling.
You are contradicting yourself, telling that Germans DID spray chaff. I’m not claiming, that chemtrails contain microbiological agents or any kind of poison, but I’m talking about their existence. They DID spray chaff, or whatever it was, we will not be aware because all military actions are kept in secret, however those weren’t “persistent contrails” bullshit, but CHEMtrails, regardless of the ingredients of aerosol.
How about airlines manager’s confession?
http://www.carnicom.com/mgr1.htm
Well, of course they sprayed chaff. All militaries have sprayed chaff. They have done so for fifty years. Nobody has EVER denied that. So how am I contradicting myself? You might as well say that since farmers spray their crops, then that proves that chemtrails exist.
Do you know what chaff is?
That “confession” is worth as much as the pixels it is written on. It provides no verifiable details. And if it were true, then why has nobody else leaked anything in the last ten years?
I know what chaff is, however if you knew anything about the chemtrails theory you would know, that chaff is one of the hypothesis behind chemtrails. Most of the people who support chemtrails theory say, that chemtrails is containg barium and aluminium salts, whereas chaff conists of aluminium. Contrails are nothing else than vapor. Chemtrails are aluminium and barium salts. Chaff contains aluminium. Thus, chaff is what we would call chemtrails. Take a look at the satellite photoes of the sky in that video. The trails left by the planes are consistent with the patterns that we consider as chemtrails. I don’t know why are you trying to deny it. You cannot deny, that something IS sprayed by the planes, because it’s clearly stated in the video, regardless of the inappropriate translation that you claim to be in it. I’m wondering if you are gonna try to convince me now, that aluminium is the same thing as water vapor. Aluminium in high doses is very toxic for humans and you know it very well.
Please don’t tell me that the confession shown in the link above is worth as much as the pixels backing it up. I could tell the same about your website. One more thing, you are wrong, someone else HAS leaked something in the last ten years.
http://www.educate-yourself.org/cn/chemspewermechanics17apr05.shtml
Toxic aluminium – I wonder if that’s why they make cookware and soda cans out of it?
If you want to say chaff is chemtrails, then you’ve proven that chemtrails exist. Because you are simply defining “chemtrails” as something that exists and nobody has ever doubted existed.
However, if all the trails that are being supposedly sprayed every day are chaff, then why don’t they show up EVERY DAY on the weather radar?
Why, in the german video, when the chaff showed up on the radar, why were there NO VISIBLE TRAILS?
The difference between these two anonymouse “leaks”, and the posts on this site, is that the posts here are verifiable. If I say something here, you can go and verify it yourself. I’ll usually provide references, and if I don’t then you can ask, and I’ll give references, or explain more.
Compare that with two unverifiable little stories, and I think you should be able to see a bit of a difference.
Find me one think on this site here that I claim, that you can show either is false, or not backed by facts, and I shall remove or correct it.
I challenge you. Point out my mistakes. Point out one.
Excuse me, do you eat those aluminium cans? lol. There is a “slight” difference between storing food/drinks in aluminium containers and spraying thousands tons of aluminium into air, followed by inhaling it by people into their lungs and then entering into bloodstream.
Of course chemtrails is something that exists and nobody should doubt it, but most of people don’t know it, due to false blatantly lying websites like yours telling that what we see in the sky is “persistent contrails”.
In the video at ‘0:31 you can see trails, watch carefully.
Yeah, of course….
Wow.
Actually aluminum can leach aluminum into the contents, so you end up drinking aluminum. Beer starts it’s life with around 100ug/l, and leaches in more aluminum, up to 500 ug/l after five months. See:
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S0308-8146(97)00236-7
If the can is dented, it can raise to 9600 ug/l
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.scitotenv.2008.05.045
As you can imagine, cooking in aluminum also gets quite a bit of it into your food.
Did you know that there is ALREADY millions of tons of aluminum in the air? Since 7% of the earth’s crust is made of aluminum, then about 7% of windblown dust is aluminum. Aluminum is the most common metallic element on earth. It’s basically everywhere, in the air you breath, and in the food you eat. That’s why when people test for it, they find it everywhere.
There’s no actual evidence that anyone is spraying it for geoengineering purposes.
Which video at 0:31? What do the trails signify?
So, again – please post here ONE factual mistake on this site, and I shall correct it.
Why are you talking about aluminium in cans etc., it’s obvious that aluminium is toxic in high amounts for human, I don’t see any connection between aluminium cans and chemtrails matter…
Crust contains a lot of aluminium, thats true, but crust is beneath soil and ocean, I hope that you aren’t mistaking soil for crust.
First mistake is that aluminium is the most common metalic element on Earth. The most common is sodium, but it’s almost always in compounds, due to its high reactivity. The most common metalic element in free state is iron of course, not aluminium, you can simply google it, but that’s just a minor mistake.
The worst lie on this website is all the “persistent contrails” stuff, which is totally ridiculous. Of course there is no such thing like “persistent contrails”, there’s only chemtrails opposed to normal contrails. Term “persistent contrails” was made up only in order to cover up the truth about chemtrail, which seems very inconvenient for people like you. I don’t know who you are and who are you working for, also what’s your point of discrediting chemtrails theory. Contrails will form only in low temperature and low humidity, whereas “persistent contrails” conspiracy theory is based upon fact, that in high humidity environment contrails will not disappear, but will last and dissipate. That’s total bullshit, because in environment highly saturated with vapor no contrails will form. So if you had been to correct mistakes on your site, you would have to delete it, because it’s based on LIE.
Aluminum IS the most common metallic element in the earth’s crust. Three times as prevalent as sodium.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_elements_in_Earth's_crust
Sure, it’s not found in the metallic form, but as a compound. But would that not be the relevant form, as that’s what is proposed for geoengineering in the future? Aluminum oxide? Chosen in part because it’s the type of dust that is ALREADY in the air?
But you say that’s a minor point. Can you give me some evidence to support your assertion that ” there is no such thing like “persistent contrails””? If you can, I’d happily change my entire site to reflect this. I would suggest though that you first look over all these pre-1980 articles that mention persistent contrails, and consider what they might be referring to::
http://goo.gl/Ty0p
Actually, you don’t eat it, but the aluminum can interact with the food in contact at very small levels. Some hypotheisze that the lifelong contact with these dosages through canned goods is the cause for alzheimer’s disease. Aluminum is 8% of the earth’s crust. I guarantee nobody will step up and prove these contemporary scientific date wrong. It is too easy to say shill and leave then to actually study the atmosphere and learn. What real bunch of characters. Persistent contrails lie? OH WOW!!!!!!! That’s a real winner… So throughout Documented history of aviation, proving they existed before any of us were even born, you can claim that your newly found conspiracy theory is fact, which holds no evidence other than observation…. Interesting.
Off and on must be target spraying specific communities…. right? Forget how an aerosol spray, that you believe, will fall directly down through the jet stream, vortexes, and other air currents. If volcanic ash can last in the atmoshpere up to a year or longer, sure… On and Off makes a WHOLE LOT OF SENSE!!!! Or maybe the atmosphere dictates contrails as in humidity, pressure, temperature…. That the air is layered, chaotic, and always changing. That dry air and wet air exist meters apart, as in a visible cloud next to no cloud.. The aircraft mechanic story, by anonymous is an old one. Sure, they adapted the fuel dump nozzles, BRILLIANT!!! Except the trails don’t correspond with the fuel dump nozzles AT ALL. And spraying from nozzles, the fuel would be visibly present from the nozzle onwards. Contrails are only present after a gap, which is the vapor freezing behind the engines. My friend in the airforce is also a mechanic who works on Su-27 aircraft. Su-27 left persistent contrails…. Maybe he saw a modified pump leading to the fuel dump. Let alone all the aircraft would be modified and purchasing agents for the world’s commercial airliner fleets would ask why certain plains are behing modified. Basic 101 child knowledge understand more than this conspiracy. As one asks questions, the other bases their knowledge off of unfounded claims and observations. These observations are self appraised observations, of high value…. However, no educated person takes an observation as proof, but a beginning step into learning. Prove any facts about contrails wrong…. No one has so far.
Why are you ignoring Uncinus what I’ve written. Like I said, the requirement for forming contrails is low humidity and low temperature. At high humidity no contrails will form, so all the hypothesis about “persistent contrails”, that would form in highly saturated environment, is bullshit.
Of course aluminium is toxic, I’m not denying it anywhere, that’s rather what I’m trying to emphasize.
The most common metalic element on Earth is iron, not aluminium. I know that aluminium has 2 percentage points higher content in Earth’s crust, but hey, Earth doesn’t consist of crust only. I will repeat, google which metal is the most common on Earth and you will see. On Earth, not in Earth’s crust.
Btw, how I interprete this video is:
1) The plane is flying at low altitude, therefore no contrails will form
2) When the plane switches off spraying, it’s leaving no trail
3) Conclusion: the trails behind the plane were NOT contrails
Your explanation about “different humidity” in the plane’s path is totally ridiculous! Ever heard of something like dispersion? Vapor won’t be in such distinctive condensation among such small area. You want me to believe, that humidity among that 100-200 meter path is that distinctive, that it would make the contrail totally disappear? Come on, a kid from elementary school wouldn’t be that naive.
Contrail is formed and suddenly disappears, such a leap in air’s features? lol
Err, no it’s not.
All you need is low temperature.
Sorry I didn’t put link to the video in last post (‘1:20-‘1:40):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfhEtAH0sYA&feature=related
How come the trail forms and then disappears for a short time. There is no way temperature or humidity changes that drastically in such small area. Maybe the features of the contrails should change, but it wouldn’t make the contrails disappear, as they formed 100 meters earlier! Conclusion: under meteorological conditions in that video it’s impossible for contrails to form, and you know it very well that it’s not vapor. This simple video is a clear proof for chemtrails.
“There is no way temperature or humidity changes that drastically in such small area.”
Yes, there sure is!
“Like I said, the requirement for forming contrails is low humidity and low temperature. ”
This is just NOT true! The air must be saturated (HIGH humidity) for the additional water vapor from the engine to condense. If the air isn’t saturated, the air would simply absorb the humidity from the engines…like it happens in the so-called “normal” contrails, where the trail doesn’t last. The reason we see gaps in trails can either be too high of a temperature, or to little humidity in that area of the atmosphere.
Why are so many people unaware of these facts?