While the title of this post is “How to Debunk Chemtrails”, the actual debunking depends on what version of the theory needs debunking.
The most common version is simply that “normal” contrails should not persist, so the persistent trails must be “chemtrails”. The simplest way to debunk this is to note that all known books on clouds and weather say that contrails sometimes persist. As seen in this video:
With discussion and reference here:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunking-contrails-dont-persist-with-a-study-of-60-years-of-books-on-clouds.3201/
After that, there’s a variety of common claims and variations on those themes. The best approach is to debunk the individual claim (such as contrails only last a few seconds), rather than trying to debunk the entire theory.
I’ve tried to arrange each section in the order of most useful links first.
Contrails Through History
Theorists claim Contrails used to dissipate in a few seconds, minutes at most.
But they didn’t. There’s a huge amount of evidence (in addition to lots of people remembering persistent contrails). It dates back to 1918 and continues up to the present day.
Contrail photos through history – Fifty photos of persisting and spreading contrails from 1950 to 1995. Taken from people’s old photo albums, and old books. Also links to other similar collections.
Life Magazine Contrail Photos – Eleven photos that appeared in Life Magazine from 1940 to 1998 show persisting and spreading contrails.
WWII Contrails – A large collection of photos showing persisting and spreading contrails from WWII in the 1940s.
Pre WWII Contrails – The History of contrails dating back to 1918, with the first persistent spreading contrail observed in 1921
Some more WWII Contrails – A WWII contrail photo I found in an old photo album uploaded to Flickr.
Thirty Contrails, Forty Years Ago – An impressive photo of a sky full of contrails from before 1967.
Clouds before Planes – Cloud Studies 1905 – A 100-year-old book showing photos of clouds that some chemtrail enthusiasts think must be man-made.
Memphis Belle WWII Bomber Contrails – 1944 – A 1940s film that shows planes leaving contrails, including with gaps in them.
Fighter and Bomber Contails, 1940s – Video and photos of wartime contrails over London and the English countryside
Twilight Zone Contrails – Contrails show up in a 1959 episode of The Twilight Zone
Chemtrails were Contrails – A video of some old newspaper accounts of contrails.
Contrail Confusion is Nothing New – Accounts from the 1950s of people being confused by contrails – taking them to be something else.
Chemical Tests, Aluminum, Barium, Etc.
Theorist claim: Chemical tests reveal aluminum and barium have been sprayed
In reality, the tests all show normal levels of chemicals. They were often very badly performed (testing soil instead of water, and confusing the level, or using the wrong units of measurements).
What In The World Are They Spraying? – An explanation of the mistakes in the popular chemtrail video.
Barium Chemtrails on KSLA – A very popular “chemtrail” news story where the reporter gets his figures entirely wrong.
Chemtrail Non-science Air analysis from Phoenix that shows levels so high we’d all be dead. They did it wrong.
Chemical Analysis of Contrails – Clifford Carnicom claims high levels of some chemicals, but they actually show lower than normal levels.
Photos and Video used by chemtrail theorists
Theorists claim: Photos and videos show spray planes.
Reality: all the planes have been identified. Most have non-controversial uses, and the rest are demonstrable fakes.
“Chemtrail” Aircraft Photos – The inside and outside of various supposed “Chemtrail” planes. Explained.
Fake, Hoax, Chemtrail Videos – Some of the more obvious hoax videos.
Germans Admit They Used Düppel!
– A German news story about chaff interfering with weather radar is deliberately mistranslated.
History Channel, That’s Impossible, Weather Warfare & Chemtrails – a look as some of the claims on the Discover channel show on chemtrails.
Contrails In the Movies – A look at a couple of contrails in some animated movies.
About the Chemtrail theory
Theorist claim: Lots of people believe in chemtrails, and it’s mentioned in a government bill, so it must be true.
Reality: Not really. Lots of people believe in all kinds of things, and the mention in the bill was inserted by some UFO enthusiasts.
A brief history of “Chemtrails” – How it got started in 1997, who started it, and how it developed.
Chemtrail Myths – Five common myths about “chemtrails”
How many people believe in chemtrails? – just how popular is the theory? Not very.
Kucinich, Chemtrails and HR 2977 – The supposed outlawing of chemtrails. What really happened.
General Discussion of Chemtrails
Theorist claim: People don’t remember lots of contrails like this, so it must be new.
Reality: Many people DO remember. But most people still don’t pay any attention to contrails. You see things more when you are interested in them.
Hazy Memories of Blue Skies – What do people remember about contrails? It varies.
Where are all the Chemtrail Photos?
Chemtrails: The Best Evidence
People Don’t Notice Contrails
The amount of air traffic, grids, and contrail patterns
Theorist claim: grids and X patterns prove they can’t be contrails
Reality: grids and X’s are inevitable results of air traffic, and winds and weather conditions.
Britain From Above – Air Traffic
30 Years of Airline Travel
Contrail Grids are not Chemtrail Grids
There are a lot of jets in the air
Contrail Information
Theorists claim: “chemtrails” are not contrails, because contrails don’t act like that
Reality: Contrails sometimes persist and spread, it depends on the weather at 30,000 feet (and not on the ground)
Persisting and Spreading Contrails
Contrail Forecast
The opposite of contrails
Measuring the height of contrails
How Long do Contrails Last?
Contrail to Distrail
Contrail Simulations
Why do some planes leave long trails, but others don’t?
Chemtrail Plausibility Study
Why Planes Make Vapor Trails
Unusual contrails explained
Theorists claim: odd looking contrails prove they are not contrails.
Reality: all can be explained if you do a bit of research.
Hole Punch Clouds in Los Angeles
Contrail Gaps and other Questions
Broken Contrails
Contrails, Dark Lines, & “Chemtrails”
Contrail of the Day
Very Unusual Short Tapered Contrails
Early Contrails
Voodoo Contrails over Los Angeles
Contrails Above and Below
Racetrack Contrails
Short Sunlit Contrails Look Like UFOs
Aerodynamic and Rainbow Contrails
Identifying a Curved Contrail
Contrail Season in Los Angeles
Ground Level Contrails
The Los Angeles Mystery Missile Contrail, and similar
New Mystery Missile, Padre Island Texas. Debunked
Did Chemtrails Cause the Beebe Blackbird Deaths
Manu Ginobili’s Santa Monica Silver Surfer
Los Angeles Missile Contrail Explained in Pictures
Contrails are Usually Horizontal
A Problem of Perspective – New Year’s Eve Contrail
Other random stuff
Procrustean Science
Contrails and Chemtrails: The IFAQ
Volcano Clears the Skies of Contrails
AC-130 Flares and Chaff
A Very Unusual Contrail
Modern Contrail Confusion
Cirrus Uncinus and Contrails
Things are not as they seem
Just had a frustrating conversation with a friend and all he kept saying was john holdren had admitted Chemtrail was a reality so the Chemtrail vs. Contrail debate is moot.. I haven’t found anything about this but I had given him points I had leaned from this site and he kept coming back to this guy…?
Here is the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXZhyf57Xyc
I didn’t hear him say anything like “chemtrails are a reality”.
Ask your friend this: “Did you hear him say something like that? Where? What words did he use?”
Two points:
1) Holdren (and thousands of other politicians and scientists, dating back over 50 years), have been discussing the possibility of doing some kind of geoengineering in the future. That’s noting new, and zero indication that they they are doing it now.
2) None of the geoengineering proposals discussed would produce a trail that looks like a “chemtrail”.
One simple way to debunk chemtrails is to look at the basic claim that “chemtrails are geoengineering”
as portrayed in WITWATS the movie.
The “Chemtrails are geoengineering” hypothesis says that geoengineering has been taking place in the form of aircraft placing aerosols of various substances in the atmosphere to ameliorate global warming by blocking sunlight.
If, in fact, such a geoengineering program were being implemented, such a program would result in an increase in aerosol density in the atmosphere.
The facts show that earth’s Global Aerosol Optical Thickness(AOT) has been decreasing during the time frame that the chemtrails hoax has been around, and specifically a downward trend has resulted in an AOT which has reached a 30 year low.
see:
Science 16 March 2007:
Vol. 315 no. 5818 p. 1543
DOI: 10.1126/science.1136709
Long-Term Satellite Record Reveals Likely Recent Aerosol Trend
Michael I. Mishchenko*, Igor V. Geogdzhayev, William B. Rossow, Brian Cairns, Barbara E. Carlson, Andrew A. Lacis, Li Liu and Larry D. Travis
http://cee.engr.ucdavis.edu/faculty/…chenko2007.pdf
[img]https://contrailscience.com/wp-content/uploads/mishchenko_aerosol_532.gif[/img]
I’ve started a thread about this on ATS, to see what the chemtrail theorists have to say:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread713104/pg1
here is the cost analysis of David Keith for a geoengineering project. the altitude needs to be above the troposphere, and preferably mid stratosphere which is above the range of heavy payload jets. The best location would be near the equator because air circulation there helps loft stuff up higher, but a tradeoff there is that the tropopause there is higher yet. Bottom line is that the best airplane for geoengineering would have to be newbuilt and would operate at about TWICE the altitude of the planes people are seeing and photographing calling them chemtrails.
[Admin Edit: assume this was the link]
http://people.ucalgary.ca/~keith/Misc/AuroraGeoReport.pdf
I have listened today morning on BBC Radio 4 an interview with Jonathan Kay, author of the HarperCollins book “Among The Truthers: A Journey Through America’s Growing Conspiracist Underground”. Depressingly, he said that he himself found it impossible to win conspiracists by rational arguments.
He also rights a blog at http://amongthetruthers.com/
PS You can listen a fragment from the Jonathan Kay’s interview “Down ‘the rabbit hole of conspiracism'” at http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9506000/9506368.stm
I’m reading that book at the moment. Someone recommended it on Metabunk.org.
The first chapter profiles some 9/11 truthers – otherwise very reasonable professional people who somehow have created an “alternate reality”. There’s no convincing them – at this point it’s basically a religious belief that they somehow justify with a facsimile of science.
hmmm, sounds like a useful addition to the library. How does it read?
Some interesting history of US conspiracy theories. Also interesting profiles of various Truthers. Still reading.
It’s a bit disappointing that in last chapter he seems to be suggesting that “darker faiths” arise from the decline in traditional religion. I’m not sure if he’s simply making an observation on the difficulty of remaining calm in a secular society, or if he’s actually advocating a return to faith as a cure for conspiracy oriented disaffection.
I have come to the conclusion that at least in Germany where I live, broad secularization and the rise of the esoteric scene are connected.
There are anthropoligists digging for hints of a “hard-wired” disposition to believe. See for example:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/04/magazine/04evolution.t.html
We may in fact have to deal with annother urge here that we can control only by restraint and reason, like we do with others that we are aware of. Somehow I suspect that “back to the church” is no solution.
Michael Shermer think that the tendency to believe weird things is hard wired by evolution. Specifically because it’s more reproductively advantageous to err of the side of too-many false positives than a single false negative (when it comes down to things like detecting a nearby predator). See about 3:30 in this talk.
http://www.ted.com/talks/michael_shermer_the_pattern_behind_self_deception.html
Jay Reynolds: “Bottom line is that the best airplane for geoengineering would have to be newbuilt and would operate at about TWICE the altitude of the planes people are seeing and photographing calling them chemtrails.”
Edward Teller’s original “Welsbach Materials” made the very same point, albeit obliquely….
Nothing, especially physics, has changed in the interim, especially including the inability of “chemtrailers” to understand what is laid before them.
Hey Uncinus,
thanks for your extensive work on this subject. Very informative. Dont know how often I recommended someone to read here.
Just a thanks by a “silent reader”.
Just what is needed, nice work!
Have a wiki at Alfred GELL (as in morGELLons) and “abductive reasoning”.
Thanks for the thanks Infowahn!
And thanks for “abductive reasoning” Psybes. Interesting stuff. I liked the quote:
“The truth is that the whole fabric of our knowledge is one matted felt of pure hypothesis confirmed and refined by induction.”
Not that that’s going to be particularly helpful in explaining things however 🙂
Another great post, Uncinus. Thank you, and thanks to the people who’ve posted comments so far. Very informative.
Just so you’ll know. I have seen many links to this particular page where “chemtrail advocates” are using it as proof of shills. They look at this as a training site.
Go figure…
Yes, it’s a bit odd that people use the fact that someone takes the time to debunk something as evidence that it must be true.
Of course if you are already convinced it is true, and there’s no room for doubt, then I can see how denials would actually serve to reinforce your faith. It’s a little similar to religion in some ways.
Yeah, they also assume that anyone who takes time to debunk is ONLY doing so because they are “shills”. It’s like they can’t comprehend that people love their hobbies, in this case aviation, and like to defend and explain certain aspects of it.
I admit, I am so perplexed by this whole thing…and find it so surreal and I often can’t understand why there aren’t many more aviation/weather buffs/pilots trying to help these folks. Then, I get involved in a discussion with one of these people and immediately realize why…Yet, I can’t help myself!
I’ve never felt so torn between not caring about people because they are so willfully ignorant and brutally rude, and so desperate to help them because I can’t imagine living as they do…how horrible life must be for them. To believe one is being targeted…for whatever reason, by their own people. It must be terrifying!
I agree…it is quite like religion…the more they are told they are wrong…the harder they cling to there beliefs and the more voraciously they defend them. I honestly think there is no way to convince the majority of these people that the trails have nothing to do with “geoengineering” or any other claim. And I don’t think they WANT to know.
As Uncinus has pointed out several times, there is little hope to convince the die-hard believers.
Yet there are those on the fringe who are troubled by the material they are watching and reading but not entirely sure what to think about it. It is this group that can gain from the information and from the discussions on this site.
Even an exchange between a rude believer and a debunker (who stays with the facts and doesn’t get carried away by provoking behaviour) may show the bystanders on which side the bunk is piling up.
So it’s worth the effort, I think.
It’s not always entirely hopeless though. While there will always be SOME people who can never be reasoned with, some people do transition away from being a “true believer” sometimes. Especially the younger people. Just do a google search for “former truther”:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22ex-truther%22+OR+%22former+truther%22
Or see JanetD’s story over on Metabunk
http://metabunk.org/entries/49-Janet-D-s-Chemtrail-Conspiracy-Theory-Story-(Part-I)
She describes her “awakening” to the conspiracy theory world as a religious experience. It lasted a few years, and now she’s more of a skeptic.
Here’s a typical exchange between 2 CT enthusiasts. I think they hammed it up a bit to try and impress me..
“Martin TheForce OfTruth Wow Pierre, that is some excellent footage of very low spraying.
But the shills will call it aerodynamic contrails from votices in a saturated atmosphere LOL!
24 June at 10:00 · Martin TheForce OfTruth What do you think Pierre? Extra calcium?
24 June at 10:07 · Pierre-Louis Papa-Pyrate aluminium or biological ?
24 June at 10:08 · TheForce OfTruth yes, cloud bacteria? Albedo whitening, the possibilities are endless.
24 June at 10:09 · Marcel Marceau Looks like contrails to me. What do you think they are?
24 June at 10:13 · Pierre-Louis Papa-Pyrate i think it s low altitude spraying
24 June at 10:17 · Marcel Marceau Still looks like contrails to me, what is the visual indicator to differentiate “spraying” from “contrails”?
24 June at 11:47 · Pierre-Louis Papa-Pyrate Irregular “contrails” on right/left too + low altitude + “contrails” persistent + linear spray wings not in “vortex” = chemtrails
24 June at 13:12 · Marcel Marceau Contrails have always persisted.
24 June at 13:48 · Marcel Marceau Correction… have always had the ability to persist depending on conditions.
24 June at 13:49 · Pierre-Louis Papa-Pyrate Not for me it s persist if you make additives like stadis 450
Key quote: “not for me”
However, if they are spraying us with calcium where the albedo is whitening,
it should give us stong white teeth. 🙂
lol
FYI, Stadis 450 is added to jet fuel at 2 psrts per million, and can be increased up to 5 parts per million if required to retain effectiveness.
It doesn’ contain anything that is obviously barium or aluminium, bit does ahve a couple of proprietary sbstances that together can make up as much as 40% of it.
If those proprietary substances were entirely barium (for example), that would make barium a max\imum of 2 parts per million of the fuel (40% of 5 ppm).
So a jet burning, say, 100,000 lbs of fuel crossing the Atlantic would burn 1/5 pound of barium – “sprayed” over some 300 miles, with most of it during takeoff and climb – not the high altitude cruise where contrails normally appear!
Now the fuel figure is simething I just plucked out of my head as a largde number – I dont’ know how reasonable it is – I know I have done some math on this before but dont’ know where it is – but you can scale the figures up or down depending.
CLASSIC MARCEL. I have been “debating” with Martin the past 2 days. I am the schill lol. He posted the same aerodynamic contrail as 100% proof of chemtrails. First comment here, I am sick of all their lies. I believed in it for 7 years, I was friends with Janet D on MySpace. I want to help taylor the site or my own site that I build more towards their mindset. This looks like a great post doing just that but I think you should break it down even farther and not use your own links because… you an obvious disinfo agent 🙂 Love the site, you “awoke” me. Thanks Uncinus and Jazzroc. It’s actually working.
Have you considered making a video that just tries to explain everything? I have, like for me, “This is why I was convinced and this is why that’s wrong”. They will never get it from the angle of “debunking”. I know, I have tried 500 frikken times. Now, as I’m sure you are, I am able to counter any argument because they are all stupid, but they think anything that can be “debunked” that the opposite must be true. I had a truther guy from myspace who I was friends with for maybe 6-7 years? tell me I was an agent for challenging him on those “chemtrail tanks” inside Boeing flight testing. Even within truther circles that was disproven years ago. it’s been on Rense since 2008 I started to say “ok, I don’t want to say anything stupid or false, so I will check each thing out. Then I did, and it all fell apart. I think that is the angle that is missing. Like your post on “chemtrail planes” I have referenced that 500 times. I think a categorical approach would be slamming if someone actually looked at it. I am considering doing something like this and/or making a movie, a book, essay etc. Not sure. This really is starting to become a mental disease and the airline industry is becoming aware. I have been to Aircrap.org many times to see pilots and air crew asking and answering questions. This one guy said basically “We are starting to become concerned by the levels of threats coming from these groups”. I think “the shyt” is starting to accumulate and is on its way to the fan. I see people talking about shooting planes, This is when we know it has gone too far.
Meaning “The theory Civilian vs Military why neither make sense 1. 2. 3. 4., in the fuel vs Nozzles why both don’t exist 1. 2. 3. 4.. Geo engineering vs biological poisoning why neither make sense 1. 2. 3. 4.. I could basically making a video of just filming your site lol I try…. it sucks… to not use your site because none of them believe it and have never read a speck of info on here.
Thanks FB. I have thought about making a video. You could probably just rattle through all the common things that people bring up. I might do it in the future – but it would take a bit of time. Also I’m sure I’d only cover 90% of things, and they would just ignore that, and focus on the other 10%.
It’s quite mazing sometime how often the same thing comes up, like the “chemplane interior”, or the “KC-10 Sprayer” – and they will keep coming up, as new people arrive. At least with the debunks easily accessible, then they can quickly be explained.
I have found the same. They always say “Well what about this” when you prove them wrong 15 times. They don’t get that their body of evidence is shrinking. This is really a case of true belief because it’s so clearly when you study the science.
Have you seen this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHAf7HzMG8g
FB, can’t argue with Martin anymore as I am blocked from his group. He recognised that I had been “trained” by the way I asked questions and assumed that I am a “government agent”.
However, I am still a member of the group under a different name.:-)
Last exchange with “The Force Of Truth”
“Martin TheForce OfTruth
Marcel, this is for you ♥
21 June at 17:52 · Marcel Marceau
WITWATS has already been shown to have “dodgy” evidence.
ie Analysis of “pond sludge” claiming to be analysis of water, analysis of childs hair having the normal amount of aluminium claimed to be excessive, analysis of “dirty” snow from Mt Shasta very late in season after wildfires pollute it,…..
all designed to “sell” books and dvds.
22 June at 06:30 Marcel Marceau
Also, the bill was not defeated, it was pulled by the “author”. It also makes reference to “extra terrestrial weapons”, does that make them a reality.
Just because some one wants to ban something, does not mean that it is happening. It is to try and prevent it happening in the future.
22 June at 09:50 · Martin TheForce OfTruth
Time to wake up Marcel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysgpxWJ5mZU
Your Government love you xxx
22 June at 09:52 · Marcel Marceau
I am awake Martin, unlike some people daydreaming
22 June at 11:33 · Richard Freeman
marcel . like this video suggests . we are way past the point of deciding whether or not this is happening . clearly as evidence suggests . as endless footage of trailing aircraft etc … is provided on a daily basis by people such as marti…n and myself and others . Do you REALLY think . that we are all THAT delued . just “mad ” for chemtrails . like a fad or kind of politics that were all into .Dont you think that MILLIONS of pages on line , talking about this subject , might actually mean something !? . then given all the points made in this video .See more
23 June at 01:15 · Richard Freeman
deluded
23 June at 01:16 · Richard Freeman
and selling video’s !? ..so what are we ..the fucking customers .. Marcel ? really …..Its one thing to be terrified , confused , out of depth , afraid …. but to not even acknowledge something so blatantly happening ..is just , well …you might as well be dead …your of no use to anything ..
23 June at 01:20 · .Marcel Marceau
Richard, I saw persistant contrails in the 60’s, long before Griffith et al said they started appearing in the skies in the late 90’s. Long before the “chemtrails” appeared in the skies in the late 90’s.
Photos of persistant contrails have been around since at least the 2nd world war.
Why have Griffiths and the rest not taken any samples of “chemtrails” in situ???
23 June at 06:14 · Marcel Marceau
Richard, I know that contrails cause both visual pollution and exhaust pollution, but I have never been convinced that they are a deliberate attempt to “spray” the population with anything. I have seen no evidence other than “it looks like …something bad” or ” they must be doing something”
In fact, stopping flights is the only way to stop any speculation. Won’t bother me as I have never flown and am not likely to do so in the future.See more
24 June at 19:06 · Martin TheForce OfTruth
Marcel, sadly you have no clue. You have your head in the clouds, or should I say the chemtrails.
24 June at 23:17 · Martin TheForce OfTruth
Personally, I think you are a paid disinfo agent.
You must have missed by previous posts, like shills always do, where the GOVERNMENT ADMITTED TO SPRAYING US WITH ZINC CADMIUM
Break the matric dude, they don’t give a fuck about you.
24 June at 23:19 · Marcel Marceau
In the 1950’s as part of a secret test regarding biological warfare . Yes we all know about that, from back in the days when it wasn’t thought to be harmful, but now we know better. And also some water was sprayed along with some dead bacte…ria to see how far it would spread in the event of a biological attack by those damned Ruskies.
Why does anyone who disagrees with “chemtraillers” always have to be thought of as a “Paid Disinfo Agent”, can’t we just be someone who disagrees because of the distinct lack of scientific evidence.
For example, “they” have been spraying for over 12 years if you believe the chemtraillers. What has been the result of this “spraying” so far cause I haven’t seen any change?
For example, in the 12 years “they” have been spraying, why have no contrails been shown to contain anything other than water vapour and exhaust gasses?See more
25 June at 06:08 · Martin TheForce OfTruth
Lack of scientific evidence, are you fucking serious? Sorry man, I am going to have to block you, you put people off before they even start investigating, I am onto you Marcel, bye bye.
What has been the result? You must be blind as well a…s stupid.
“chemtrailers” what a sweeping statement, I’ve provided ample evidence of patents, dating back from as early as 1927 for the smoke patents for aircraft. But you see what you want to see and spread your disimfo Marcel. I can tell you are trained by the way you type, wording questions so you hope people start questionning themselves.
Good bye, we don’t need people like you holding us back.See more
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Nicci Bentley and Pierre-Louis Papa-Pyrate like this.
I had a convo with the founder of http://chemtruth.ning.com/ tonight. It went like all the others. You got a Facebook Uncinus? Jazzroc? I’d LOVE if you guys jumped in on some of my “debates” 🙂
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p224/Alacardian/Chemtrail%20falsehoods/ConvowithChadchemtruthning.jpg?t=1310803547
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p224/Alacardian/Chemtrail%20falsehoods/ConvowithChadchemtruthning2.jpg?t=1310803541
OK, just noticed I screwed that up, clipped off the first 40 something comments. Try this:
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p224/Alacardian/Chemtrail%20falsehoods/Convo1.jpg?t=1310805187
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p224/Alacardian/Chemtrail%20falsehoods/convo2.jpg?t=1310805197
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p224/Alacardian/Chemtrail%20falsehoods/convo3.jpg?t=1310805203
FB, I see he repeats several times that the amount of air traffic seems to vary, based on how long the trails last. I’ve written a post explaining some of the scientific reasons for this illusion.
https://contrailscience.com/where-did-all-the-planes-go/
It’s a fools game:
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p224/Alacardian/Chemtrail%20falsehoods/Itsafoolsgameandyouareplayingit.jpg?t=1310907693
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR6KVYJ73AU
Former FBI Chief, Ted L. Gunderson, makes a statement regarding the chemtrail “death dumps”, otherwise know as air crap, on January 12, 2011. Ted says the following: “The death dumps, otherwise known as chemical trails, are being dropped and sprayed throughout the United States and England, Scotland, Ireland, and Northern Europe. I have personally seen them not only in the United States, but in Mexico and in Canada. Birds are dying around the world. Fish are dying by the hundreds of thousands around the world. This is genocide. This is poison. This is murder by the United Nations. This element within our society that is doing this must be stopped. I happen to know of two of the locations where the airplanes are that dump this crap on us. Four of the planes are out of the Air National Guard in Lincoln, Nebraska. And, the other planes are out of Fort Sill, Oklahoma. I personally have observed the planes that were standing still in Nebraska – Lincoln, Nebraska – at the Air National Guard. They have no markings on them. They are huge, bomber-like airplanes with no markings. This is a crime: a crime against humanity, a crime against America, a crime against the citizens of this great country. The must be stopped. WHAT IS WRONG WITH CONGRESS? This has an affect on their population, and their people, and their friends, and their relatives, and themselves. What’s wrong with them? What’s wrong with the pilots who are flying these airplanes and dumping this crap, this poison, on their own families? Somebody has to do something about it. Somebody in Congress has to step forward and stop it now. Thank you. I’m Ted Gunderson.” For more details, visit http://www.aircrap.org.
Yes he says that – and some of it is actually factual – ther are birds and fish dying all around the world. But they’ve been doing that since records began….and how does he connect them to any putative spraying of something?
What is the “something”? How is it being put into aircraft to be “sprayed”? If it is in hte fuel why can’t anyone test a sample of fuel & find it??
What is his evidence of “genocide” and “murder”? Who has been killed??
Lincoln is a base of ANG KC-135 tanker aircraft – http://www.155arw.ang.af.mil/ – it has 8 aircraft – do you seriously think this is sufficient to account for all the “chemtrails” over the entire world?? Adn the airport is a public facility – hardly seems like eh ideal place to run a super-ssecret programme from that no-one has ever found any solid evidence about!!
– there is a very long discussion about this information on ATS – http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread651706/pg1 – apparently the Fort Sill runway is not actually long enough for KC-135’s to operate out of – you can look up its dimensions – http://www.globalair.com/airport/apt.runway.aspx?aptcode=FSI – 5000 feet long – which seems a little short for an aircraft of that size – I’m nto a pilot, but on this site you can find that eh minimum runway to land the aircraft is 7000 feet – http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/usaf/docs/afpam10-1403.htm – of course that includes some safety margin, but landing usually takes less distance than takeoff – you can decelerate faster than you can accelerate and takeoff with useful loads is usually at a much higher weight than landing empty would be!
And again it is a municipal airport
Ted Gunderson has also alleged that US Military has 30,000 guillotines stored on base, that the USAF flies kids to Washington DC for orgies with congressman, and that Area 51 is used to harvest organs from children.
You should not believe anything the guy says unless you can find verifiable evidence for it!!
Thanks to firepilot
I just don’t get this website – I am sorry
What is with this website?
I mean, do you not know that the University of Calgary has a Geo-engineering program?
http://www.ucalgary.ca/news/utoday/s…geoengineering
“The group assessed two main kinds of geoengineering techniques. The first involves removing carbon dioxide by methods such as capturing it directly from the air, speeding up its chemical absorption by rocks and minerals, or planting more forests.
The other technique involves reflecting the sun’s energy away from Earth to lower temperatures rapidly. Methods to do this include releasing small particles in the stratosphere, positioning sun-shields in space, or infusing clouds with small droplets of sea-salt to make them more reflective. ”
Look at that last statement. Please.
How else do you think these small particles are placed into the stratosphere?
You are losing this dis-information battle obviously because of all of the time you are wasting “debunking” something that has already been admitted by the
people doing it.. relax.. get off of this battle… yes you are being sprayed.. no it is not clear what is happening with the spraying.. nor what it consists of… nor
the extent of it, …
Obviously people need not be protesting all day at the white house as this is actually being spun as “for our benefit” which is fine if that can be shown and proven.
David Keith – the university of Calgary prof going around (and who is seen in the movie “What on earth are they Spraying” – but is portrayed as a “bad” scientist)
admitting to these trails and educating the public on their experiments.
Get over it, chemtrials are real… the people using them have admitted using them and are saying that it is for “good” research..
The conspiracy is whether or not these trails are being used for good or for bad. That is something we cannot know forsure and will have to take the word of the researchers, which I for one don’t love, but I understand that is all I can do.
Protesting does nothing.
Neither does the existence of this website.. actually.. i take that back.. it is actually spreading worthless information about very unconnected issues (ie “look at all those crazy idiots protesting.. aren’t they dumb?” “wow look at this blue sky, i don’t see a plane nor a contrail at all.” “look at all this government issued research about these chemicals being naturally in our environment… wow chemtrials can’t be adding more”)
You see, your ideas and anything you post here can be de-bunked remembering that in the newspapers, major television media, science journals.. THE UNITED NATIONS.. have all admitted to this type of spraying related to geo-engineering.
When you come up with some real evidence that these planes are not spreading chemicals into the environment that will harm us, then please, continue to post.
Even David Keith cannot say this, and he is one of the major researcher.
Wow .. why do I waste my time.
David Keith says that they are not spraying, and that if he found out that they were, then he would drop everything else he was doing, and risk his life to try to stop it.
25 min in here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SFVYRZPXLs&t=25m10s&hd=1
I think it’s quite interesting that lately chemtrailers are trying to blur the line between chemtrails and geoengineering.
Things are not as you portray them.
Geoengineering is connected to chemtrails
You are ignoring easily established facts that you
Can test for yourself !!
The way in which the particles that David is speaking about
are put into the stratosphere is by plane spraying..
Same goes for cloud seeding.
You fail to realize that David is ignoring the fact that these things ARE
Being done in the name of geoengineering “for research” .
Of course there are no offical , federally funded geoengineering techniques being fully used.
He’s a careful speaker. And those people are unfortunately the usual ignorant people with heartwhelming intentions but not enough words ..
Also.. Remember that A CHEMTRAIL WOULD ALSO RESEMBLE A CONTRAIL IF YOUR RESEARCH IS CORRECT.. which it probably is.. But yes.. You then could be fooled into thinking your simple contrail
Isn’t a chemtrail.. When it most obviously is.
Sit in a distant .. Far out area for more than 2 weeks .. In the summer .. In talking hundreds of miles from anywhere and watch when the 10 or 20 jets come over your head in a criss cross pattern over and over again .. All day long .. Turning the blue sky silver white haze.. Then smell the air as it falls down on you with the mist or dew.. That is chemtrails.
I’ve witnessed this multiple times across Canada and the US.
These are the same planes back and forth .. Not just blaring across the sky to vacation destinations..
You can see them turning around .. Making perfect grid patterns
Trust me.. Your research is misleading you. Your proof that contrails are more extennsive than thought before does not rule out some type of chemical spraying being done..
Get out there and see for yourself .. Get off your computer .
No, he’s not ignoring anything. He’s one of the world’s leading experts on geoengineering, and he very specifically states that no field experiments have been done – except for one using a helicopter in Russia. See:
http://metabunk.org/threads/163-We-Are-Change-Calgary-meets-David-Keith-Chemtrail-Geo-engineering
I’ve made notes in the second comment of that Metabunk thread, so you can jump to the relevant part. The part where he says there are no experiements is at 12:40 to 14:40
Also at 15:!6 he states that it would NOT look like contrails.
So what do you know that he does not? Where is he wrong?
why do you not respond to my plea of personal experience..
hundreds of people i meet say the same thing.. specifically repeated fly overs of desolate areas..
one or two days a month.. randomly…
airplanes circling rural desolate areas …creating grid patterns…
turning spray on and off..
this is what your website does not address.. I’ve have smelt the air
last post goodbye as i know you will give some smart remark as you have tonnes of time to research obviously whereas i work in these desolate areas intaking these haze..
im furiously typing away on a cell phone… frivolously i always realize.. as i said why do i bother..
i should host chemtrail tours where i take people where ive been.. where we can watch the planes make real fancy patterns in the sky… 20 or 30 planes strong.. turning back and forth for hours…
a strange muggy smell enters the air , thick with moisture but much different than the last 30 nights you spent there.
good night america..
i hope you are right.
oh ya… then about ten years go by and you hear 10 deaths related to respiratory disease and cancers..
and you mom has some strange new type of non cancer growth that will eventually take over her body, and cutoff circulation, started in her lungs.. non smoker.. lived in rural areas all her life eats organically and all…
there are way more case studies like mine… i know schizophrenic people too..
i dont want to tell you what they think about this stuff. we should be careful and open about everything.
you do not address the planes turning spray on and off.. circling for hours..
the video from the passenger plane showing the spraying jet as it finishes it last sprays and putters out.
i guess i was wrong about david but thats just because i don’t have time to research all day..
the most direct – personal experiences are never looked at… as a kook is a kook as i once heard someone tell me ..
its so easy to write actual people,sensory perception and intelligence off.
So take some video of the these planes. Or photos.
Respiratory disease has declined in the last ten years. Probably due to clean air acts.
Spray on-off, see:
https://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/
Grid patterns, see:
https://contrailscience.com/contrail-grids-are-not-chemtrail-grids/
Anony mouse wrote:
“Things are not as you portray them.
Geoengineering is connected to chemtrails
You are ignoring easily established facts that you
Can test for yourself !!”
What are these facts, and how can we test them?
And:”Also.. Remember that A CHEMTRAIL WOULD ALSO RESEMBLE A CONTRAIL IF YOUR RESEARCH IS CORRECT..”
I’ve read somewhere that actually spraying sulphates into the atmosphere would be essentially invisible – I’ll see if I can find the reference…in the mean time, perhaps you could say why it is that you think they would look like contrails??
If you are saying that what I am telling you you have never heard . Specifically the planes circling a small but wide area visible to people who are moving throughout it turning and spinning around the area as though to make perfect coverage and yes using the grid patterns that you suggest are just contrails unfortunately this does not make sense because they should not be circling and coming back and forth of course thousands of planes making a grid pattern in systematic movements across the country makes sense too but why wouldn’t you use a grid pattern when spraying in area with whatever chemical you feel fit to spray I will most definitely get you HD time lapse footage of these planes covering areas that I see. It is difficult to do this when you are exploding rock on the side of mountains to build highways in northern states and provinces but nonetheless I will make the effort if I could possibly change your opinion of this I believe that I have seen these things happen in ways that don’t make any sense at all in the way you have explained them I know you cannot address everything butwe are still not addressing a few things for reasons that I believe you do not have evidence that supports your views from certain angles I know I am rambling gibberish right now as I said that I am furiously typing this into my phone but over the next few weeks and months I will document and please do expect a detailed e-mail or post from me in the future. Goodbye
I look forward to seeing it.
In the meantime, also check it’s not just some military planes practicing high altitude holds, like in:
https://contrailscience.com/racetrack-contrails/
and
https://contrailscience.com/voodoo-contrails-over-los-angeles/
Water vapor based sprays logically comes to mind but I guess you are the experts ..
I coming from the geoengineering standpoint because I don’t agree with the fact that there would be an evil force spraying us with Chems for no reason .
Though I do believe companies and government agencies would conduct research of this sort in order to help the world .. I do believe they wouldn’t want to admit it because of any negative backlash.. Or basically not being granted allowances for this research if the public has their way..
Anyways .. I will document what I am talking about..
Also.. Look up the video of the person filming from a passenger jet .. As his plane flies over one of spraying jets.. Its rather revealing.. The nozels and pretty visible and the spray sputters out and stops and then no trail…
I think it’s on YouTube and when im home I’ll post a link..
If you feel the need to respond to me.. Please let me know your personal experience.. Where you have been.. Tell me if you have experienced what I have or if you have been around like me and you havent seen it as I have ..
Or is all your info based on the fact that contrails are extensive and can very well look like chemtrails to an uneducated person .. And that chemtrails probably wouldn’t look like contrails..
My info is based on info. All I’m claiming is that there’s no strong evidence of anything suspicious going on with trails in the sky. It just looks and behaves like contrails.
I look forward to seeing you video, and hope it’s not the KC-10.
Test by getting out to these places when there is randomly heavy trail action out of no where…
Then smell the air.. Taste the due on plant life .. Check out the quality of your latest garden yields ..
Also.. Get scientific .. Conduct air quality tests that you see fit and scientifically sound..
Maybe some before and after tests..
That’s what I means
Do not debunk with government or really any external info.. See what your senses tell you then research with some clear eyes .. As if you were ignorant .. Possibly mentally ill .. And see what you come up with.. Play psychologist like the rest of the world and media does
Why should I do tests? I don’t see anything suspicious.
Where are these places? Show me some video of one of them.
Ok as I said I will ..
Northern Michigan
Northern Ontario
Northern BC
Northern Alberta
Northern California and Washington area
Yukon/Alaska/nunavut/
Areas of florida / new York state
All desolate areas .. I have no reason to lie.. I just want to know what’s up..
The trails I see are RARELY just one or two streaks.. I can live with that.. But seeing a blue sky day be scribbled on by whats seems like 20-30 passenger jets flying at differing hieghts..
Happens atleast 10 times a year for me and I’ve spent many days underground all day ..
I am a former computer engineer who sold his business and bought into highway construction and supply of granulars because I know there is alot of money there..
I say this so you atleast know that I have protrayed myself as someone of moderate intelligence .. And not a kook.
You should do your own research because you are attempting to debunk people’s personal experience with external 3rd party info supplied by many differing sources .. We all know information has to be secondary to real personal experience otherwise no witness will ever be trusted..
I am not claiming UFO .. Not even claiming full conspiracy or evil..
Just a push for real experiences and personal stories of real ..
Confirmable discovery that can be repeated..
I gues people testing their water and environment isn’t good enough for you..
What would be? How could I ever prove this to you if you haven’t seen what I have..
I hope my videos will capture what I need to show atleast to you that I am not experiencing something fake.
Okay. I’ll wait for the videos.
If I see any videos of the same plane at a high altitude making a grid pattern with a trail I will be shocked. But I better be able to see tail numbers and the part where it turns around or I won’t be convinced.
And I bet we will get a link to the tanker video since the “spray nozzles” were mentioned. I wonder how those big planes fly around without flaps since the spray nozzles are in the way?
If 1 jet flies through a sky that is conduscive to contrails, then it is a pretty good bet in the USA that ther will be other jets doing it some time soon too – there aer a LOT of aircraft in the sky, and IIRC the horizontal separation along a given busy airway only needs to be 5 miles – 10 in some circumstances – but even 10 miles at 550 mph is only a little more than a minute.
I am afraid that this is rubbish:
“Do not debunk with government or really any external info.. See what your senses tell you then research with some clear eyes .. ”
How do your eyes tell you what the chemical composition of a contrail is??
It is sadly typical of chemmies that they say not to use any of the actual verifiable science that is around – because none of it supports their case – so they ahve to poison the well against it.
You say you want to know what is going on?
Well you ahve been told what is going on – you have had plenty of opportunity to read this site, and have been pointed to a gerat deal of factual evicdence.
If you are REALLY intersted in tteh “truth” then you ahve a massive amount of evidence saying yuo are seeing contrails…….and none whatsoever for anythign else.
So saying you still don’t know makes me think you are not actually interested in the truth at all – you are interested in confiming the “chemtrail” story – and are constantly discounting anythign that doesn’t support it.
Lots of good info on this MAP site – great place to de-bunk the issue…
http://chemtrailsmap.com/
Note to regular readers:
Due to the slow speed of loading some of the posts with large numbers of comments (some posts have over 1000 comments), I’ve changed things so the comments are paginated, with 100 comments per page, and the oldest comments displayed first.
I’ll be trying various things today (Sunday) to make this as usable as possible, and you might notice the look-and-feel of the site vary through the day, and it might be down occasionally.
Since I’ve made the “How to Debunk Chemtrails” post a sticky, there’s less need for the “articles” list, so I’ve moved it down the page, and the “Feedback” list is now at the top.
It would be “nice to have” a comment page selector not only at the bottom but also on the top (below the article).
Anyway, feedback list at the top left is great, and page load time has improved remarkably. Thanks for that Sunday you spent !
I shall give it a go. I’ll also try and fix the comment numbering (it defaults to starting at 1, regardless of the page).
Okay, I’ve added the comment navigation at the top, and I’ve removed the comment numbering, as it was pretty meaningless. Comments should be referred to by date and time, or by direct links.
looks and works great…my only suggestion would be to have the articles and links sections swap places…as the articles are the meat and the link supplemental.
Done. Thanks for the feedback!
Okay, so now where is the article to “Debunk Contrails”…
You are supposed to work down the list, responding to bunk as appropriate.
Each article discusses a differente aspect of the bunk, or the science behind it. What you use is determined by what they bring up.
Remember, this is not about proving chemtrails don’t exist. It’s about showing how the evidence used to support their existence is bunk. Of course there’s many different variations on the theory, so no on-size-fits all.
If you just want a single article, this is a good place:
https://contrailscience.com/persisting-and-spreading-contrails/
I also think the WITWATS article does a very good job of providing an overview of the main ideas of the hoax, and the range of contrail misunderstanding represented by the ‘documentary’.
It also serves as a warning of how easily low scientific standards of evidence, examined without good logic and reasoning can lead to thoroughly faulty conclusions.
Incidentally, if anyone does make a ‘ContrailScience’ documentary about the hoax, it should be called ‘WITWWTT’ or ‘What In The World Were They Thinking’.
http://downloads.climatescience.gov/sap/sap2-3/sap2-3-final-report-all.pdf
http://parliament.uk/documents/post/postpn327.pdf
wer augen hat der lese, es reicht!!!!
(those who have eyes should read, it’s enough)
I’ve read them. They talk about doing it IN THE FUTURE.
Es gibt diverse solcher Vorschläge. Sie meist wägen Vor- und Nachteile ab und kommen zu dem Schluss, daß es unvorhersehbare Gefahren gibt und das ganze nicht praktikabel ist.
There are several proposals of this kind. Most of them weigh the costs and the benefits and point to the unforseeable (environmental, financial etc.) costs.
These people (conspiracy theorists) basically live in a world where there are no such thing as debates, discussions and arguments. Everything is planned ahead, everything is under control. Must be very comforting.
jaja,
wer Augen hat, sollte sich zuallererst fragen, wie er Kondensstreifen und “Chemtrails” auseinanderhalten kann. Können Sie es? Wenn ja, wie?
He who has eyes should wonder how he can distinguish contrails and “chemtrails” in the first place. Can you? If so, how?
German invasion!
Today in ScienceInsider: “Public Awareness of Geoengineering Science Increasing”
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2011/10/public-awareness-of-geoengineering.html
Haven’t had time to read it yet.
Hey want to know what people on youtube do if you try to debunk chemtrails for them? They block you! Great way of filtering their feedback huh?
No need to debunk chemtrails…just get your Orgonite to blast them away.
Winter 2011-12 Special Offer, BOGOF! (That’s buy one get one free)
http://www.ethericwarriors.com/ip/viewtopic.php?t=3476
Wonder how many Chemtrail Believers will buy??
Think I’ll get me some resin and old screws and some copper tube and make me a fortune.
Man those things look good. Honestly. I like the Pyramid the most. I would like to have one for an outdoor weight
There is a custom of “gifting” where “etheric warriors” will plant these near cell phone towers and other antennae and electrical equipment. You will be very lucky if you find any of that quality that had been gifted in this way.
I found one near my work-place emergency diesel power generator. It was pretty rough but with a fine file and some finer and finer grade emery paper, I was able to get a smooth flat surface on the top to make the resin surface transparent. (The sides and bottom were already good from being molded in a non-stick pie tin.( It looks quite presentable now – Al, Cu, Fe milling swarf, and a quartz crystal I think.
Thanks Wellington etheric warrior gifters! I love my gifted and liberated HG!
Well,
It’s coming into the christmas season, so maybe the CT people will get Chembusters for a present and after using them to clear the chemtrails they will see that everything that’s left are contrails and clouds.
Is that you on FB Ross? “Chemtrail Pseudoscience”?
I need to cliam some huge activity near my place so someone will gift me a massive one.
Seems someone is looking for “Unbiased” information on contrails
http://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?83435-Reporter-seeking-quot-unbiased-quot-information-on-Chemtrails/page3
Good morning to everyone, from Italy.
I’ve got a question, and I hope to find adn answer in this website. I don’t believe in chemtrails, but there is a question which i’ve no answer at the moment.If you look at this post , there are 10 questions that, (for the author, of course) “proof” chemtrails.
If you look at the point 5 (In italian PROVA 5, that stands for “proof 5”), the writer shows 10 pictures in which the contrails are dark or grayed. It also states that it’s no backlite condition, nor there are shadows to let the trails became grey.
I’ve not found convincing answers for that question. Can you help me?
Thanks a lot, anyway.
I suspect most of those trails are not directly illuminated by the sun. Contrails are very dense clouds, so if they are not directly illuminated, then they seem dark (like storm clouds).
The writer claims they ARE illuminated by the sun, but offers no convincing evidence. All it takes is a single cloud between the sun and the trail, ann the trail will be in shadow.
The only one that looks suspicious is #5, but that seems to have the contrast artificially altered.
Look at #6, they claim that the sun is too the right, and that the trails should be lit on the right. But that would be true EVEN IF IT WERE GREY! The fact that the the trail is a solid uniform grey indicates it’s not being illuminated.
It’s an interesting topic though. The optical illusions of relative brightness.
Here’s the original of #6
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lufthansa/Boeing-747-430/0669136/&sid=6df721591415d1063f5e3a72e4f0de21
I think this particular one is the right side of the plane is reflecting the sky, and the left side is reflecting the contrail. Both plane and contrail are in shadow.
And for the moment, thank you very much. I gave me a great suggestion (and sorry for my bad english, too).
some of those photos look to be changed from their originals. I’d ask to see the originals. There is image searching tool in google where you can either input the URL for a known image or upload the image, and it will search the web for the original source for that image. Sometimes you can find the untouched original image before it was changed and expose the alteration.
I see Uncinus has been using the tool, the address is:
http://images.google.com/
also tineye.com sometimes finds things Google might miss.
Uncinus help me out here. Why do these planes that make these long “contrails” turn around and cross over the lines they made? Why does it look different than any other contrail when it looks like they’re flying at the same altitude? Why does the “contrail” stop and start up again(I don’t know how to explain it) as if the pilot is toggling it on and off? Why does some of these “contrails” reflect sunlight? Why Are These “contrails” making rainbows when it hasnt rained lately?This is all stuff Ive seen where I live. I just don’t see how these could be normal contrails.. I just watched a jet or airplane fly for a couple of minutes. A minute later it starts making a long random “contrail”. Sorry for the bad English.
Generally they don’t turn around and cross over. It’s another plane flying the other way. When they DO turn around, they are flying a racetrack hold. There’s various reasons why they might do this.
Starting and stopping is because of variations in the atmosphere. See:
https://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/
The reflections and “rainbows” are because contrails, like all high latitude clouds, are made of ice crystals, which refract sunlight.
That all sounds like normal contrail activity.
I’ve seen em stop spraying turn around and continue. What about when a plane or a jet is flying for a while then it starts making a “contrail”? Looked like the same altitude to me
Sorry for the late reply. I’m not recieving emails
It’s flying into a different region of air, one that is more humid. Kind of like a cloud, but not humid enough to be visible until the plane flies though it.
You need to subscribe to the thread using the check-box at the botttom. But you might also want to check the chemtrail forums on Metabunk.org:
http://metabunk.org/forums/9-Chemtrails
That is better set up for discussions, and will automatically notify you via email if you log in.
You can fool the fools but I have lived and worked on the beach in FL for 30 years with 100’s of photos of the sky in sunrises and sunsets with no persistent trails visible and in the past year I have photos and videos of 35% of the days with trails and aerosol sunsets. Who is paying you, as if I had to ask? EVIL U R or a useful fool yourself?
Not all areas were under flyover routes. So it might be new in your area.
But if you have these photos, why not get them together, and prove to the world that something is going on? I’d certainly be interested in seeing them.
exactly what town in Florida? Persistent contrails have been seen all over Florida for decades. If you state the town, I will prove they existed long before a year ago as you claim.