Several planes look a little odd, or have attachments that look odd, and so some people feel they must be part of a decades long conspiracy to spray stuff into the atmosphere to alter the weather or reduce the population. That’s obviously nonsense, but what are these strange planes?
[Update: there are many other photos like the “barrel” interior below, I’ve collected a lot of them on Metabunk]
Here’s one making the rounds, scary looking barrels, and a sign on the wall that possibly says “Hazmat inside”
What is it? It’s a Boeing 777-200LR Worldliner, specifically it’s WD001, a plane that was used for flight testing. The original photo can be found here – note the “Hazmat” text was added later. The barrels contain water, which is pumped around to shift the center of gravity to test various flight characteristics.
Here’s a description of a similar setup from the 2002 book, “Inside Boeing, Building the 777”, page 76., describing tests done in 1994.
From Boeing’s blog:
Remember, we test at the extremes of the weight/CG envelope. This requires us to control the CG during ground and flight conditions. We can move weight, in the form of water, forward or aft with the use of the water ballast system. This system is comprised of 48 barrels, each capable of carrying 460 pounds, connected by tubing to a pump. A computerized system tracks fuel placement, fuel burn, people placement, ballast, flap setting, landing gear position and water barrel quantity. The information is processed to display the airplane’s current CG. We move water or specify fuel tank usage to configure the CG within the specified test requirements.
Why are there overhead luggage compartments? It’s a test plane, and for FAA certification they have to demonstrate that everything works. That includes stuff like the emergency oxygen system, and more minor things like the luggage compartments. It’s a requirement that they don’t pop open in flight – so that needs to be tested. They are also handy for stowing the engineers’ stuff.
Here’s some pictures from Boeing:
And a lot more photos can be found on Boeing’s site.
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This one gets a lot of use in the “chemtrail” forums:
Particularly because of the unusual collections of pipes sticking out in various places. There’s those two at the front, and then there is a group over the wing. Here’s some close ups
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Very sinister looking tubes, but why are half of them facing the wrong way?
The plane is not for spraying the atmosphere, it’s for sampling the atmosphere. It’s a research aircraft, registration N701BN, operated by th e department of energy’s national labs. It’s pretty much one of a kind, so it’s hardly likely to be responsible for all the persistent contrails we see every day. The research is mostly on pollutants in the atmosphere, particularly from coal and oil burning power plants. But they also investigate the properties of clouds, which includes contrails.
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Here’s another photo you see in “chemtrail” videos, with the implied suggestion that it’s some kind of evil spraying device:
Actually it IS a spraying device, but quite innocuous. It’s on an NKC-135A (55-3128) with the refueling boom modified to spray water. This used by the air force to test icing of planes in flight.
Here’s the original photo:
See also: https://www.safaq.hq.af.mil/news/march04/raptor.html
Here’s some more details:
nkc-135-icing-attachmentpv1983_2688.pdf
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This plane is quite interesting:
It’s an E-6B “Tacamo”. This photo shows it dumping fuel (photo from tacamo.org). The E-6B is used by the United States Strategic Command as an airborne communication center. You can see the navy logo on the right wing. The E-6B is a modified version of the Boeing 707-320, and the fuel vents have been moved from the wing tips to between the fuselage and the engines in order to separate it from the communication equipment in the wing tips. This is what the wing-tip ESM/SATCOM pod looks like:
It looks like this odd assemblage is also creating some wingtip vortex contrails as well. The plane is pretty much all white, which is something you hear mentioned from time to time in “chemtrail” conspiracy theories.
Here’s another photo of the same plane, taken from a “chemtrail” YouTube video:
It shows the opening and drogue for the ELF trailing wire antenna. This is a very long wire antenna that is extended behind the plane for several hundred feet and used for communications with submarines. The “drogue” is just a cone-shaped weight. Here’s a close-up
http://www.flickr.com/photos/coldwararchaeology/5180470207/in/photostream
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This plane also looks at first glance like it might be dumping fuel (click image for full sized photo):
But the trails are actually coming from six smoke generators. It was part of a NASA test to study wake vortices, you can read about it here:
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/B-747/HTML/ECN-4242.html
Six smoke generators were installed under the wings of the 747 to provide a visual image of the trailing vortices. The object of the experiments was to test different configurations and mechanical devices on the747 that could be used to break up or lessen the strength of the vortices. The results of the tests could lead to shorter spacing between landings and takeoffs, which, in turn, could alleviate air-traffic congestion.
Here’s another image of the same plane:
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This plane also occasionally get brought up in chemtrail conspiracy groups:
This is obviously not a contrail, it’s far too low and the trail is dropping too rapidly.
It’s a Boeing 747-100 “Supertanker”, modified by Evergreen Aviation, the only one of its kind. Specifically designed for fire fighthing. That’s it dumping water. Here’s some more recent photos.
Here’s a video of it in action, titled “B747 chemtrails”. It’s interesting reading the comments, as the first comment correctly identifies what it is, and then everyone else just ignores that and starts speculating.
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This one looks like a plane spraying stuff. But again it’s rather close to the ground. It’s actually taking off with the assistance of rockets. It’s not spraying, that’s just rocket exhaust.
This particular plane is a Boeing B-47B, rocket assisted take off, April 15, 1954. An no, that’s not a contrail in the sky behind it – it’s rip in the photo. Click on it for a large version from Wikipedia.
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This one is used for cloud seeding. It does not actually spray anything but uses silver iodine flares that are either ejected, or burn in place.
It’s operated by the Sandy land Underground Water Conservation district of Plains, Texas, as part of their SOAR program. They have some more photos of similar equipment on their site. They are all small aircraft not capable of getting to the above 30,000 feet where contrails normally form.
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This next photo is also of silver iodine flares, fixed underneath at large plane.
These also show up in “chemtrail” literature. They are sold by Weather Modification Inc, they make a range of weather modification equipment. About this one they say:
WMI racks for ejectable flares are mounted on the belly of the aircraft fuselage. Each rack holds 102 cartridges. When fired, the pyrotechnic is ignited and ejected from the aircraft. In this configuration, the WMI Lear 35A is equipped with four 102-count racks for ejectable glaciogenic pyrotechnics, a total of 408 flares.
Here’s another, this time from North American Weather Consultants, Inc.
About which they say:
This aircraft-mounted cloud seeding generator is fixed in place, and can burn a silver iodide solution during flight.
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This one is the “Mk.32 drogue-type underwing pod on the Armée de l’Air Boeing C-135FR Stratotanker” (“93-CC”- s/n 63-8472 of GRV 93). It’s an in-flight refueling system on a French Boeing C-135FR Stratotanker, photographed in Canada, Feb 2005.
See: http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/tanker_flight_240205.htm
The following is supposed to be a plane that has “chemtrail aerosol nozzles” over three of the engines.
In reality, this plane N707MQ is a Boeing 707-320B. The engines are Pratt & Whitney JT3D-3:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Omega-Tanker/Boeing-707-321B/1622886/M/
It should be perfectly obvious that the “nozzles” are facing the wrong way to be spraying anything. They are actually turbocompressors, which are driven by engine bleed air, and are used to pressurize the interior of the plane. There are only three, as that’s all you need. Here’s a discussion:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/8225/
I’m a retired aircraft mechanic. I worked for several airlines in my career. Started with Pan Am in San Francisco. A number of others after that. My point is I have been around airplanes and airports most of my working life. I don’t claim to be a scientist. I don’t think I’m a conspiracy theorist, either.
I now live in Tucson, Arizona. I often travel to Phoenix, which is only a two hour drive to the north. In my thirty or so years working on airplanes and being around airports, I have to tell you in all that time, I never witnessed the kinds of things seen over Phoenix on any given day. Perhaps all of you think you can explain it. God Bless you. With all due respect, I have not yet seen an explanation that I could be satisfied with. Because they didn’t use to exist. I know what ice crystals are. I know what forms contrails. I’ve read through most of the posts here going back several years. If this whole thing could be so easily debunked, then we would not still be talking about it right now.
You know what’s really behind all this? It isn’t because you and I want to spend our evenings arguing about contrails. The nitty gritty point of all this is that we don’t trust our own government. I don’t think we ever will again. We lost that innocence a long time ago.
Why do many of us believe in what others like to call, “conspiracy theories.” Because we don’t trust our own government. Many of us think they are capable of anything. And you know, they are. I think Obama has proven that.
So, I respect your beliefs. I hope you respect mine. They didn’t use to be there. They’re there now. Something has changed fundamentally. There’s always the science crowd that tries to stand on logical thinking and deride others who maybe don’t agree. There are always the extremist wackos who are way, way on the other extreme.
But, just like in all the UFO debates, there are large numbers of us in the middle. We’re not scientists and we’re not wackos. We’re just ordinary folks. We just know that something is different from what it was before.
You can give me all the scientific explanations you want. I’ve been around airplanes and airports for forty years, give or take. What we are seeing with our own eyes is different from what we used to see. Something has changed. If you and I have an argument, then there it is.
You say you can explain it. I say they didn’t use to be there.
Mr. White-
I too have been around airplanes. No one has actully challenged me on that fact up to now. I would like to engage in a civil discussion with you but first I need to know something: What is one advantage and one disadvantage to utilizing a primarily A/C electrical system on an aircraft?
Please don;t take offense- it’s just that I have seen many people make many claims on here and I would feel more comfortable if I knew you were genuine. I would really like to speak with someone “in the know” as far as airplanes go.
The planes flying over AZ are not commercial planes and they are flying in a checkerboard
pattern back and forth to purposely cover the sky with crap. It is not normal flight patterns
and they usually start at night. They go back and forth over and over. If they weren’t so damn
high, one of my neighbors would have shot them out of the sky. These aren’t test flights or
commercial planes. I actually have several lab tests that I have done when
they are spraying and when they are not spraying. If I could post images up here, I’d post them, but I can’t figure out how on this site.
“The planes flying over AZ are not commercial planes… ”
Really?! How can you tell from 26,000 feet? And usually the markings for commercial planes are on the sides and the tail. And you can tell from down here that these aren’t commercial planes? Amazing!
“…and they are flying in a checkerboard pattern back and forth to purposely cover the sky with crap.”
Nope, flight paths cross all the time. If the conditions are right for persistent contrails, you will get an “X” from two planes and a square from 4 planes. Keep adding planes and as the wind shifts, the next trail will be laid parallel to the last. Keep doing that and you have a grid pattern. I have to ask why you believe a grid pattern would be advantageous to the “sprayers”. I don’t see grids ever. I just see parallel trails. Does that mean they aren’t effectively “spraying” me?
“It is not normal flight patterns and they usually start at night.”
Please describe a “normal” flight pattern. Thanks! And airplanes fly at all hours of the day and night. If the atmosphere is cold/moist, trails will form regardless of the time of day.
“If they weren’t so damn high, one of my neighbors would have shot them out of the sky. ”
Honestly, I can’t WAIT ’till a chemmie does something like that! Then maybe this subject will get the attention it deserves. Too many are living in fear simply because they don’t understand what they are seeing in the sky. Can you imagine, and airliner crashing…images of a burned doll on TV and some hick in handcuffs being led out of his house screaming “That was a chemtrail tanker! I saw it with my own eyes! Why were there passengers on a chem-plane?!”
It’s a good thing that these planes fly too high to be shot down from the ground by the average nutter.
“I actually have several lab tests that I have done when they are spraying and when they are not spraying.”
Really? Where did you collect your samples? How are you able to establish that anything found down here came from the trails without making any assumptions? How were you able to avoid contamination of any of your samples? Are you familiar with all of the sources (man made and natural) of the “chemicals” you have found?
I can’t WAIT to see your images.
Send all images you have to [email protected]
“So, I respect your beliefs. I hope you respect mine. They didn’t use to be there. They’re there now. Something has changed fundamentally. ”
Increased air traffic + more efficient jet engines = more trails.
And persistent contrails have been visible in MY area for over 40 years. I live 30 miles west of Logan International (I purchased the home I grew up in) and I spent hours watching trails and clouds as a young boy. It’s why I went on to study aviation and atmospheric science. Please don’t tell me I didn’t see these trails a s a young boy! I admit, I didn’t see as many, but they were certainly there.
I do not distrust my government. Do I think that there are individuals within the system that are capable of “bad things”? Of course! But, I see NO EVIDENCE that the trails are anything more than persistent contrails.
I understand that “chemtrails” are being used to spread a political agenda. There are too many folks out there that don’t understand the simple science that explains the trails and there are many out there that are taking advantage of that fact to convince others that their governmenet wants them dead. It’s a disgusting hoax that is used to spread fear and distrust.
Shame on all who spread this nonsense.
Just a side note, being near an airport means you WON’T see as many planes leaving persistent contrails simply because the planes taking off or landing from that airport won’t be high enough (when you see them) to encounter the conditions that are conducive to persistent contrail creation. But, you may live in an area that has a lot of traffic that is simply passing over your area. These planes will be higher and able to produce persistent contrails because of the conditions. There could be a new airport somewhere that wasn’t there before and now airplanes fly OVER your area at altitude.
Sorry, I have seen persistent contrails through my entire life. I’m 45 now.
Gene White said; ” I say they didn’t use to be there.”
What do you make of all the evidence on this site and elsewhere that shows that they were, in fact, there?
https://contrailscience.com/contrail-photos-through-history/
In my official job I have recently seen an “official request for information” from a chemtrail hoaxer who provided a photo, asking “What sort of aircraft is this?” It was pretty clearly a B737-300 or later series – great photo if from ground level – presumably enlarged but wasn’t too pixellated, 2 billowing contrails from the engines precisely as expected.
The person who sent the photo lives in a town that has flight paths from a couple of major cities to a nearby country passing right overhead, and is a regular complainer to a local hoax website complaining about “heavy spray days” and the like.
but he didn’t know what a 737 looked like.
For everyone who believes the chemtrail issue is real, just stop arguing with these guys and keep doing your own research. It wastes your effort to try and convince someone who will not be convinced. Concentrate your efforts on protecting your self and your family. I have my opinion about this based on my own experiences here in Houston starting around 1997 or so, and the thing I can tell you now is that it is a waste of time to try and convince people one at a time that we are right and they are asleep. I would suggest to all of you that you do more research on the following topics:
“controlled opposition groups”
“agenda 21”
“depopulation quotes”
“monsanto and genetically modified foods”
You will find that the subject of chemtrails, while it is in great need of some real “proof”, is based on mostly observational data. This data is not evidence like you would have in court, but rather anecdotal and from a wide range of sources. There will ALWAYS be others who will argue to the end of the earth about it, and if you believe it is happening then YOU DO NOT HAVE TIME TO WASTE WITH THEM.
Those like Uncinus will have you embroiled in endless debate, all the while as nothing ever is truly done to stop or fix the problem. Look deep into how these controlled opposition groups actually work. Look up Natural Solutions Foundation, see the videos there…then look them up as a cross reference with controlled opposition. Now, apply that to this subject and you will see what Im talking about. No doubt this will illicit some response from those who I just mentioned, however I will pay them no mind, I dont have time for them. There truly is alot of work to be done, and if you want to get it done then you’d better start paying attention to who is behind all of this (no proof of course, just going by their own quotes) and find ways of stopping them cold.
Got your attention yet? I hope so, because this chemtrail issue is just the tip of the iceberg. What you are looking for is bigger than this, and how you get there is to STOP arguing with people like Uncinus, it is POINTLESS. No matter what you have ever seen in your life, they have an answer for it. If you are an engineer, scientist, doctor, lawyer, paitner…WHATEVER…your eyes must be lying to you because they will always have an answer. MY answer to you is to simply curtail the debate, and start ACTING. Do whatever you think you can to prove it or disprove it. Start an action group. If you are a scientist, build a lab, and using correct and verifiable tehcniques and procedures…PROVE IT! If you are a pilot, consider donating some of your flying time to said scientist and get them in the air where they can take proper samples, instead of sitting here guessing on the ground. If you are in the airline industry, start poking around the planes and see if there really are spraying canisters, or nozzles, or delivery systems, or giant canisters of barium sitting around. Do something.
I can tell you that my opinion on this issue is set based on my own observation and experience, and that is why I stopped arguing about this long ago. I could tell you all about it, but you’ve all heard it already, and Im not interested in trying to prove it to someone who is nothing more than a part of the controlled opposition. I have shifted my efforts now to trying to find ways to stop, thwart and sabotage the efforts of those who WOULD do things like this, and chemtrails is not the only method, it is but one. (Just take one look at what they are doing to our food supply, not just here but worldwide, and you’ll start to see the gravity of this situation that we are all in, whether we believe in it or not).
So, everyone here that believes that chemtrails exists, stop arguing with those who are trying to convince you otherwise. Start looking at your subject as one which is part of a bigger picture. Those who dont believe it, talk among yourselves, the rest of us have work to do.
Ridicule me all you want, it will all go right here in this little box—> [ ]
“It wastes your effort to try and convince someone who will not be convinced. ”
Aint that the truth!
And where did you study air saturation?
Yes- do something! You can go look at airplanes, take videos and compare notes of what’s in the sky, donate time and money and do research. I would suggest speaking with those who are very familiar with aviation and science. Speak with some meteorologists. Talk to some pilots. There are plenty of message boards for pilots out there you could join. They would be happy to discuss the issues.
In fact, I would say that unless you do take the time to talk with some proffesionals you are doing yourself a great disservice.
Even if you don’t do any of that at least go to the library and look at some books. Just be carefull of what you find on the internet. Did you know that people swallow dozens of bugs a year in thier sleep? I read that on the internet.
“….and Im not interested in trying to prove it to someone who is nothing more than a part of the controlled opposition.”
Controlled?! Controlled by whom?! The conditions for persistent contrails creation can be reproduced in a lab. These trails behave EXACTLY as they are expected to within the varying atmospheric conditions. Please provide evidence that these trails aren’t acting as they should. Oh wait…you’re not interested in discussing this…Alex Jones has taught you all you need to know in order to formulate your “beliefs”. Nevermind…carry on spreading your “beliefs”.
By the way, there is a HUGE difference between “arguing” and discussing the scientific principles that EASILY explain the trails in the sky. Cheemies argue…those of us who understand that “chemtrails” are a silly hoax are simply discussing the facts as they have been understood for almost 100years. Who are you to tell others not to discuss this with us?! That is just so strange!
“In fact, I would say that unless you do take the time to talk with some proffesionals you are doing yourself a great disservice. ”
Why would he do that?! All of the professionals are in on it and can’t be trusted, remember?!
One said,
“If you are a scientist, build a lab, and using correct and verifiable tehcniques and procedures…PROVE IT!”
No need to build a lab. There are plenty of those already built.
Besides, a Gas Chromatography-Mass Spectrometer is quite pricey ($60k – $100k ?)
…don’t forget the NIST callibration !
for “one”-
never mind that the facts do not bear any evidence….never mind that the “observational data” is based on the false premise that “contrails dissipate- chemtrails don’t” …never mind that there is no “proof”…
…just blindly forge ahead anyway because you “know”.
Yes, you have a lot of work to do.
PS: methinks you flatter yourself with your vision of grandeur, thinking you are so important as to merit “controlled opposition”. Nothing controls my opposition to your theory other than my adherence to rational, fact based analysis.
“one” said: “Start an action group”
Indeed! In your tireless efforts to expose “chemtrails” have you spoken to a single atmospheric scientist? Can you find any expert on the nature of the atmosphere- anywhere in the world- who is equally alarmed by the trails in the sky as you?
Perhaps you could start a “Atmospheric Scientists for Chemtrail Truth” group.
No, one is absolutely right.
They should get active. Prove there are chemtrails Get photographs, get interviews, get documentation that proves your point.
When you can provide convincing evidence, there will be no further need for those of us who presently think we are right to continue blindly following our established evidence.
But don’t just accept blindly the non-evidence currently presented, for it has already been proven incorrect. New evidence is what is sorely neeed, if it can be gathered.
How can someone say they know “chemtrails” are real based on their observations when one is unable to “observe” the saturation of the atmosphere! It’s such a ridiculous notion that one can know what the atmospheric conditions are where ANY airplane is, from the ground. Even sounding data found online is only accurate for a SPECIFIC area at a specific time.
To claim that the trails shouldn’t be persisting based on what you can observe from the ground is absolutely ridiculous. No offense, that’s just a fact.
New article on Prisonplanet about Rosalind Peterson and her quest to expose the hidden truths about chemtrails. Sadly only paid members can see the video.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/rosalind-peterson-the-chemtrail-cover-up.html
One of the questions in the comment section from the Rosalind Peterson story…
“Is it illegal to shoot planes out of the sky that are dumping poison on you?”
WHAT “poison”?!
It’s amazing how these people make one assumption after another after another. They don’t even realize they do it…
Here’s Countryjustice reply from same comment section.
countryjustice Says:
“Whatever you do don’t shoot them if they fly low with a high powered rifle. It just wouldn’t be right.
I can tell you what they are going to do. All the bastard politicians and rich bastards are going to haul arse and we are going to have shit dumped on us that will probably react with the shit they have already dumped on us and nothing will grow.
Don’t allow these politicians to get to their holes in the ground. Find their mountain resorts and stop them with lead. High pwoered lead.”
Do we have to start worrying about if these guys are going to start shooting at politicians and passing jets now?
Yes
I wouldn’t worry about them shooting down jets. Unless you have some sort of guidance system it’s incredibly difficult. I might go ahead and say impossible at an altitude above, say two or three thousand feet.
As far as the coments on that site go… wow. I love Bonnie who says the trails wrap around her house and start and stop at her poperty line.
Ignorance + mental illness = most of those posting on that prison planet site.
At the very bottom of the story about the Rosalind Peterson interview video.
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Line up folks! And be sure to have your credit cards handy!
Follow the money trail….. see what’s at the end of the rainbow.
“Follow the money trail….. see what’s at the end of the rainbow.”
What money trail?
Nevermind, I thought you were referring to government money. Now that I re-read your post, I’m not actually sure what you were referring to.
The Money Trail leads to the pockets of the hoaxers!
stop callling them “chem trails”…..the scientific government term is geo aerosol engineering….there are quite a few recently realeased reports if you take the time to read….and really research..after all it is being done for our benefit.
http://downloads.climatescience.gov/sap/sap2-3/sap2-3-final-report-all.pdf
now remember it is pretty technical stuff in there,written by scientists…..
there are more just do some research…
Merry Christmas everyone 🙂
I’ve read that report. There is nothing in it about deliberately spraying anything in the atmosphere. It’s about measuring existing aerosols.
The word “engineering” does not appear in the report, nor does “spray” (except for in the sense of ocean spray), or “jet”.
It does have some interesting information of the man-made sources of aerosols:
I would highly recommend you read it too, if you think it’s somehow sinister. It’s very interesting.
so two people read the same report and one person sees deliberate spraying for geoengineering while the other sees byproducts of normal combustion sources. That sounds familiar.
It’s also got a glossary (an explanation of the words and phrases it uses), of which there are some that might have led to the confusion:
Unfortunately that’s a rather complicated way of saying “Aerosol radiative forcing is a measure of how much an aerosol heats up the earth”
And that’s less than 10% of the actual atmospheric aerosols, most of which are natural sea salt and dust.
And most of that 10% is everything _except_ aircraft exhausts – IATA estimates that the aviation contributino to pollution is about 3.5% of the total (13% of transport), rising to maybe 5% of the total by 2050.
See http://tinyurl.com/27o83vx
Of course the climate change people think that Aviation Emissions are somewhere between 2-4 times as bad as ground level ones for various reasons – see Aviation and Emissions Trading, Oct. 12, 2007 (http://www.euractiv.com/en/transport/aviation-emissions-trading/article-139728).
But chemicals added to fuel, or sprays of barium, are not why they think that!
I swear, these people see the word “Aerosol” and automatically assume it has something to do with “spraying” simply because they are conditioned to do so. They don’t READ these research papers, at all! They google the word “aerosol” and when something which appears to be a research paper comes up, they automatically assume that they’ve found a smoking gun. But, if they were to actually READ a single one of these research papers, they might possibly understand what an aerosol is someday!
I have hope!
i did read it and never said it was about spraying mr thefactsmatter. I merely stated the obvious…and if there is an aerosol program going on do you really think anyone would tell the public? i would hazard a guess the answer is no….oh and by the way the air force paper “owning the weater” is fake too ,right?
there are Three sides to every story ,his ,hers and the truth and one day we will be told the truth
Happy Festivus!!! 🙂
Why would they not tell the public? It would be impossible to cover up, as the evidence would be quite apparent.
Of course there is no evidence. There’s nothing to cover up.
“Owning the weather in 2025”, according to the USAF:
http://www.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-051013-001.pdf
Consider – you use some government documents as evidence, and some you claim are lies. How do you tell which is which?
“…and one day we will be told the truth”
You refuse to accept the truth.
“How do you tell which is which?”
The ones that (supposedly) support their beliefs are true, the ones that oppose their beliefs are lies.
It’s just that simple. And convenient also!
ahhh yes the old left right paradigm at play”keep them guessing” always works !!
Uncinus……this is the actual “weather as a force multiplier” air force white paper
http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf
you reference a watered down “civilian” version …….
whats your take on the H.A.A.R.P. and space weather expeiriment taking plce?
So, all it takes is an official looking .pdf and so many are sold!
No I didn’t, I referenced the source of the quote where they explain what the 2025 paper is in the context of “chemtrails”. It’s a totally different paper which explains all about contrails and various forms of aerial spraying, as well as their take on the “chemtrail” theory. You should read it.
HAARP, I think is what the scientists say it is.
Which space weather experiment are you referring to? SRI’s CubeSat? I think that’s to do with the ionosphere, which starts at 200,000 feet, so (like HAARP) would have nothing to do with contrails.
This isn’t good enough for you?! Really? Why?
Chemtrails are geting annoying and they have distablised NATURE and our health. There are ways to fight this and I discovered about it just recently. I don’t know if you have ever heard of chembusters ,if not check this :
The new chemtrail buster known as Oblix..it is very new and trust me folks it works,because I have been using one since 3 months and thank God..I breath better and the sky in my town is just BEAUTIFUL :). It is hard to beleive that what I tell you ,is true..But you will see the reality after giving it a try. BTW after making your obolix pls allow a day or 2 for the results 🙂
Good luck and trust me. After giving it a try pls folks spread the news and help NATURE to help us 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/user/Endza50?feature=mhum#p/a/u/2/p1BwavcSgOo
The artist and how he discovered this incredible easy to make tool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnbrPIyHtoA
The official site for Oblox is:http://projectobolix.org/?page=video
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The other technic is longer to make and many have been using this since couple of years; It is called Chembuster:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI_GkFATamw&feature=related
How to make a chembuster:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiC0YtwxEmA
my comment did not go through 🙁 pls check YouTube and find out about CHEMBUSTERS…
“…pls check YouTube and find out about CHEMBUSTERS…”
Why don’t you tell us, in your own words, what chembusters are.
I have a Chembuster kit I would be willing to sell for half of what the others are going for. Mine uses an alternative system that pushes the trails away from your house and moves them to the east. It works almost 99% of the time.
Hey Mr. Captfitch,
Do you take Visa, MasterCard, or American Express? I can give you my SSN if you need that too. Sell me one of them suckers right now!
Oh, by the way, does your chembuster kit work like you say it does when there is a 250 millibar ridge to my north? Well, maybe in Australia… 😀
Oh I forgot to mention- depending on your location you may need to purchase the other version designed to move all of the chemtrails to the west. I just sell more “east” versions here in the US.
WOW What will it take !!! On dec30-31 in N.Ca. planes flew criss cross all day i took many pictures, even a rainbow in the sky ,,,brightness ive never seen before!!!!! AND THE NEXT DAY WE HAD snow snow WHAT THE _____ iT DOSENT SNOW HERE AND THEN 6 TORNADOS IN 4HRS IN THE MID WEST …… BARIUM Happy new year NOT
Thank you for the time and effort that has gone into this site. After hearing about chemtrails for years (truckers listen to a lot of talk radio) I decided to research the matter for myself. In my opinion there is no conspiracy.
Thanks for putting this site up and posting the endless information. I firmly believe we should question our government, in fact we are taught to question the government in school. It is our job as U.S. citizens to do so because if we don’t, who else will keep it in check? Now saying that, I also believe people are REACHING way too much for something… grasping away at conspiracy theories and news rating scare tactics. Never stop questioning our government! However don’t buy into everything you read on the internet either. Speculation and theory does not equal fact.
Mr Jones, Can you provide ANY evidence that the trails “sprayed” on one day resulted in the rainbow, snow and tornados you mentioned? Or, is the assumption all you need to formulate that “truth” in your mind? Sorry, I don’t see the connection. Maybe you could explain it.
mr. Jones wrote:
“… even a rainbow in the sky …”
That sounds very much like an approaching front system which may have created very good contrail conditions.
Looking at yesterdays surface analysis there is an occlusion which is when a cold front had chased a warm front and finally catches up. Lots of warm air is lifted up fast, which often leads to heavy precipitation.
[img]https://contrailscience.com/wp-content/uploads/namnwsfc18wbg.gif[/img]
No chemicals necessary.
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It’s funny how much disinformation is out there on this subject. The bottom line is: the government HAS a military weapon called “Chemtrails” (ref- H.R. 2977), and the Geo-engineers have already admitted that this IS happening, and they also admit that it’s Aluminum they are spraying, and casually admit that they haven’t done any studies of it’s effect on the human body. You can no longer ignore or dispute the FACTS!
Whatever you do, don’t provide any actual evidence, don’t read the verifiable facts that say you are wrong, don’t use actual science, and do spam your unsupported accusations all over the place.
Yep – that’ll convince everyone of the truth of your cause……
…just catching up on old threads here- for some reason, reading the ever-longer lengths some believers will go to in order maintain those beliefs, (especially when opposing existing, peer-reviewed science) is like crack to me. I find it fascinating, and as many others have rightly said before me, Uncinus, you redefine patient.
How you maintain your cool-headed human kindness throughout this Sisyphean task will always be beyond me. Sufficed to say, well done and keep up your excellent work; we (the reasonable) are with you.
Also, have you had a site redesign/spruce-up? Maybe its my browser being slow on the uptake, but I like what I see – searches, post numbers, html tips, and a little light shading to aid hierarchy and navigation.
“The truth will out”
Thanks! Being patient and kind is just part of my master plan 🙂 I also think it works better. My mother always said “if you can’t say something nice, then STFU!”
The site has a new theme (Suffusion). Hardly a redesign, I just clicked on a few buttons to install it. I did it mostly so I could get an RSS feed from my new site metabunk.org to work, but it’s nicer in other ways – like the post numbers and times.
Hi Uncinus
Early on, Uncinus says: “Ezra, sometimes when conditions are right, contrails will spread out to form a hazy layer of cirrus clouds.”
How come conditions are right every single day of the year here in the UK ? Whether it is summer or winter / sunrise, midday or sunset ?
I appreciate a scientific and common sense attitude to dissecting a problem. But my problem is this:
My father was an amateur metereologist and cloud fanatic. He observed the sky for fifteen years making a detailed daily record of weather and atmospheric conditions from 1964 – 1979 .He states there are far more many “persistent contrails” in the sky nowadays.
Why is there such a blanket disregard for public inquiry into this phenomenon? Especially here in the UK — any attempts to intelligently ask questions are met with “you are a nutjob” / “one of the believers” response.
which frankly i find offensive when i’m just trying to find something out. I can conversely attack someone of your point-of-view (or tryblinking’s) for “believing” they are contrails, but i choose not to.
thanks for your patience in answering questions,
as with climate-change – the debate rages oN
ps: what is your response to the geoengineering proposals that suggest we spray-aeresol into the sky to create clouds ?
I’m sorry – but I do not believe you are having contrails forming all day (and night) every single day – there are enough satellite photos of the UK showing no contrails to put the lie to that idea.
Are there more now? Yes – because there are a LOT more aircraft flying – from 1990-2009 large aircraft activity in the USA increased by over 50% (figures are avalable at the NTSB website). At work I have figures for the UK – the CAAUK’s site is hard to find the information in – it’s in some PDF’s they publish IIRC.
But I wouldn’t be surprised if figures from 1979 show that here is now 2 or 3 times as much as there was then, and there’s certainly a large multiple from the 1960’s.
Also jet engines are different – they are much more efficient, which means they burn more of their fuel and generate more moisture – hence bigger contrails.
If your father says there are more now the corollary is that there were some “then” – thus the proposition that persistant contrails are a new phenomenum that has only come about in the last 13-15 years.
As Uncinus keeps saying – if you find anything in error on his site, let him know and he’ll change it.
But your post contains no actual evidence of anything – the answers you are getting “you are a nutjob”, etc., is a reflection of the overwhelming scientific evidence on one side, and the total lack of evidene on the other side.
If you truly appreciated “a scientific and common sense attitude to dissecting a problem” then your mind would be at rest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQlHaGhYoF0
Mike C,
Firstly, the post was addressed to Uncinus, i wud have preferred an answer from him/her.
I don’t need you to tell me what i can or can’t see in the sky every single day, morning noon and night — i too have been keeping records in the last 2 years.
Again, i’m being told i’m a nutjob simply for sharing an observation ??? I would thank you not to presume you can see thru my eyes and feel it necessary to TELL ME that my vision is in fact incorrect because your satelite data tells you so.
I can see them — they’re fcuking there, OK? Every Day. They’re there in the morning at sunrise and in the evening allover the sky at sunset.
When the volcanic ash cloud disrupted flight travel across the Uk, there were no persistent contrails of any variety until flights started up again.
That’s why the question was posed at Uncinus, as he/she seems to be able to discern what kind of conditions it requires.
Secondly, your suggestion that the argument is wholly winnable because the scientific data says so is frankly pathetic. Science is fallable — it rewrites itself, as and when it decides it can no longer support its own theories. eg: rogue waves were denied until 1993 when an oil-rig platform correctly measured the first rogue wave that forced mainstream science to concede that they do happen. Until then, for hundreds of years, eye-witness observers were told “No — you can’t be right. You must be wrong. Science tells us so.”
Scientific evidence does not accomodate for the notion that conspiracies (ie: lies) are common place within official sources. That is the downfall of a totally 100% scientfic viewpoint.
Everyone tells lies, that is common sense, yet the notion is completely lost in this debate because anti-chemtrailers seem incapable of entertaining the notion that lies are a common tool of propaganda. Therefore every which way you dissect a point is based on the assumption that there is no reason for any lie to be told to anyone.
Hence why you are as much a believer (/subscriber) in your own theory, because you’re not willing or perhaps capable to dismiss it for a second and investigate the story from the other end of the argument.
i’m a journalist by the way, i take everything with a pinch of salt. It comes from years of reporting human behaviour (He said / she said). Frankly to be told i’m a nutjob by anyone when I’m simply asking questions discredits the opposition.
I wasn’t here to present evidence, i was here to ask questions.
Sorry you wasted my time.
Thank you , have a good day.
This is a public discussion forum – you should expect answers from anyone who chooses to answer – I’m sure Uncinus will make a comment if he feels the need – me answering does not prevent him from doing so.
Yes science is fallible, when new information comes to light that shows that a new conclusion needs be reached that new conclusion, or theory, will replace the old one.
What new information is there that means we need come to a new conclusions about persistant contrails?
Of course there were no persistant contrails when there were no flights – why would it be otherewise? Persistent contrails come from aircraft – when there are no aircraft flying, there are no aircraft flying then there are no contrails. What point are you trying to show here?
Certainly lies can be told – what evidence is there that any are being to conceal something liek the chemtrail hoax suggests exists? As far as I have been able to see the lies and conspiracy are on the part of the people who put forth the hoax, not – they have no evidence at all, and continue to propound completely false information. And you don’t have to take my word for it – their errors (to be kind) are easily seen – Uncinus has exposed many of them.
I provided a factual answer to your question about why there are more persistant contrails today than in your fathers day – if facts are a waste of your time then why bother asking the question?
“What new information is there that means we need come to a new conclusions about persistent contrails? ”
Absolutely NOTHING!
The only information I see being spread around is the misunderstandings of those who have never properly studied the subject of persistent contrails. Unfounded claims and paranoid speculation do NOT change anything about persistent contrails and the way they behave in the atmosphere.
@Ron Coobie
Could you please clarify for me your statement above:
“How come conditions are right every single day of the year here in the UK ? Whether it is summer or winter / sunrise, midday or sunset ?”
Do you really observe every day the persistent contrails that “spread out to form a hazy layer of cirrus clouds”? Where is here in the UK such a place that has as many sunny days as, for example, California?
I live in the middle of East Anglia, the area with a lot of commercial and military air traffic going above, and yet my experience is very different from that you described. When the sky is not completely overcast, it does not take long to spot a high-flying plane that leaves a contrail. Occasionally, I counted about a dozen of new trails at the same time. Some of the contrails were quite long, yet on the most days they did not persist and dissipated within an hour or less. The days when they persisted, accumulated and spread out are fairly rare. I suspect that there may be more of such days when the sky is overcast (that happens quite often) and contrails persist and spread behind the clouds. Once or twice I saw a spread contrail through the gap in clouds.
Ron,
I don’t think conditions are right every day in the UK for persistent contrails. I think you have confirmation bias.
That’s not to say you are a nutjob, or that you don’t have valid concerns about the greatly increased contrail coverage (there’s several times more air traffic now than in 1964-1979), but the claim that it’s “every single day of the year” is not borne out by the facts.
I lived in the UK for several years in the seventies and eighties. In my experience, many, if not most days in the UK are overcast, you can’t even see the sky. Nice sunny days have always been rare, and memorable. Snow days are also rare, and memorable. Yet in my childhood memory I associate summer with playing in the sun, and winter with playing in the snow. I have confirmation bias.
Yes, there are more contrails now, because there are more flights. Sometimes conditions are right for several days in a row. But not every day.
You may not believe the satellite photos, but if you’d like an object measure, just have a look at the photos of London in flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=london&s=rec
That link takes you to recent photos. Which have contrails in? Today I can’t find any.
If you want to make claims like “every day” that go against established science, then you have to expect som skepticism. You also need a bit ore evidence than your own perception. You need something objective, like photos from every day (which you could collect from Flickr if you like, use the advanced search to limit them to single days), or at least a daily written log of your observations spanning a year.
Geoengineer is something to be avoided. If it’s really the last resort, then I’d prefer methods that were almost instantly reversible and that had natural equivalents.
I think we are several decades away from any possibility of world-wide climate modification. Reduction of emissions (particulates and CO2) should be the goal first.
Of course we might get a major volcanic eruption, making the whole thing moot.
This “guy” is full of sh*t, Who is this person trying to ‘con’vince? Thanks Mr Transparent. Please do your own research
“I think we are several decades away from any possibility of world-wide climate modification. ”
Maybe. There was some serious discussion about dumping Iron into the ocean(s) to spur plankton growth (thereby scrubbing co2) a few years back. Of course the effects such a meat-handed approach might have weren’t discussed at length.
“Reduction of emissions (particulates and CO2) should be the goal first.”
Let’s hope we can convince those in power to agree!
“Of course we might get a major volcanic eruption, making the whole thing moot.”
Can we ship all the chemtrail conspiracy ‘theorists’ there first?
you guys are sissys the first guy if you did dee it would the weather be acting weird would you or your family be dieing of some foreign disease you guys need to stop most of those pictures are fake and no i am not a government official trying to cover things up no i am from wisconsin and please dont try to say things if that was the case government people sending chemicals in the air why are we still around. do any of you have deadly diseases no so be quiet you have nothing wrong with you so dont say things you will get in trouble i mean “the government is trying to kill people of and why would they do that and if that was the case there would be information leaking out and why would people do it and put there familys at risk. those clouds are either fake, part of your imagination, your on drugs or you live in a farming region so you see pesticides and i mean why would the government do that come on. so please dont be so worried so dont say things okay you dont know what you are talking about you see something and you say its the governments fault it could be pollution or you could be by a factorie listen to these people they know what they are saying.
you are right
Uncinus,
As I can see, there is the same icon for both william and karen. Does it mean that both posts came from the same address?
Did William actually say anything?
yes Karen is William. And I’m not entirely sure what s/he is saying there, but it does not seem to be in favor of the chemtrail theory.
I don’t know what I am saying here…but I’m pretty sure it is not in a chemtrail theory.
Please everybody….use basic punctuation, and a basic sentence structure if you want the same in return.
Strange, I need to apologize for asking for proper sentence structure, punctuation and spelling…lol.
Is everything so PC ??
‘Go ahead….type any way you wish…
Stupid your last couple of posts seem a bit nonsensical sorry – except for the bit about asking people to use basic sentence structure. Who asked you to apologise for anything, and what was it you were saying when you didn’t know what you weer saying??!! :/
I am a Chemist located in LA. I’ve collected samples from these “Chemtrails” while flying in so called “closed airspace”. There is indeed barium in the samples I’ve collected. I have forwarded the results to the local weather institute in Burbank. You may check them out and use them in your presentations.
Forward the results here.
Izlude- how do you define “closed airspace”?
And what aircraft did you use to measure the chemtrails?
Please list any methods you used as well.
This should probably be on Metabunk but I tried to inform the Aircrap site that their picture of an “Evergreen Chemtrail Plane” was really just a Boeing test plane…but of course, they would have none of it- censoring my post and blocking me from commenting anymore…
anyone else want to try?? 🙂
http://aircrap.org/loose-lips-sink-ships-and-747s-too/33516/#comments
How they think straight-up lying with earn them credibility is beyond me…
Interesting site. It seems to be brand new, and the work of Anthony Hilder:
http://freeworldfilmworks.com/
He seems to be a rather ardent supporter of the NWO/Illuminati population reduction theory. I have a slight suspicion that “Brian Andrews” actually is Hilder.
It don’t think they really want to be reasoned with. Nor is science really part of their toolbox.
They changed the picture!
To the world’s first red vertical chemtrail 🙂
The freeworldfilmworks site looks entirely dedicated to making money.
And the picture changed again.
At least my comment went through (and Kamran’s ?). That may be the reason they changed the initial picture.
Looks like they have a toolbox collection of “usual suspects” and make free use of it …
Yeah that was me.
Great collections of pictures, it’s just that all of them are from planes on ground ? I thought the focus here should be on the skies. Not planes taking off or some other pictures from an obvious hoax attempt. Why put this shit here when theres thousands of AWESOME material to use. Oh yea, i know your just trying to debunk the whole topic so people would lose interest.. but it’s too late for that, truth is out there.
So post some pictures then
There;’s plenty of air-air pictures on sites like flikr…well perhaps not plenty…but here’s a few of them
Air China over St Petersberg – http://www.flickr.com/photos/lozinho/389570979/
Siberia – http://www.flickr.com/photos/lozinho/385342503/in/photostream/
and this one covers both bases – Air China over Siberia – http://www.flickr.com/photos/lozinho/390412955/
Air to air video of a persistent contrail from a commercial aircraft……
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg9J_ge3Cvo
…there are many, on youtube.
http://images.extremespotting.com/
wow, extremespotting.com is quite badass. those guys photographing UFO’s with 3rd gen night vision goggles should hook a night vision monocular to one of those telescopes.
science is a funny thing, in that it uses evidence gathered from experiments in order to verify theories which are based on hypotheses.
its accepted as a pragmatically applicable heuristic to evaluate those theories according to principles such as “occam’s razor.” namely that the most elegant theories often, but not always, make the most useful models.
religion is based on belief… science is based on evidence.
i would hazard a guess that among all those who are endlessly arguing, either that chemtrails are contrails and harmless, or that chemtrails are something different than contrails and quite possibly harmful, VERY FEW AMONG EITHER GROUP HAVE EVER DONE ANY ORIGINAL RESEARCH ON THE TOPIC.
sure lots of folks on both sides of the debate will endlessly repeat the same stories, data, and pictures, and the data presented in this thread seems to show that many of these pictures of airplanes with funny looking nozzles and cannisters apparently are indeed mis-attributed as something far more sinister than what these planes “actually” are.
but even those setting the record straight by documenting what these planes actual function is, are just recapitulating existing documentation on these craft. the OP seems very knowledgeable on the topic, but it is still a matter of his believing the source of the documentation, rather than his doing original research.
ARE THERE ANY SCIENTISTS OR ENGINEERS WHO HAVE ACTUALLY DONE SOME RESEARCH ON THE TOPIC? ANYONE WHO HAS LOFTED A BALLOON UP INTO ONE OF THESE SUSPECT CLOUDS AND TAKEN A SAMPLE, OR SPECTROGRAPHICALLY MEASURED ITS CONTENT? I highly doubt there are any posting on this thread.
Belief = hasty closure = taking someone elses word as fact without verifying it. Accepting a person or agency’s version of truth due to their alleged and ostensible “bona fides” and not by duplicating their research.
These pictures of planes amount to “data.” Data can be interpreted according to various models (theories) to arrive at different interpretations. Pictures of clouds fit in the same category. Its highly doubtful that a bunch of pictures alone or even videos could conclusively prove the existence of any but the most obvious and overt spraying of chemical agents into the sky. The argument is a bunch of wasted breath on both sides. If everyone cares so fscking much, work hard, save your pennies and buy a telescope like the ones on extremespotting.com and DOCUMENT SOMETHING UNUSUAL COMING OUT OF SOME UNUSUAL PART OF A PLANE, with the followup documentation of the sky swarming or whatever. Better yet get a degree and get involved in hyperspectral imaging research. Get yourself a liquid cooled broad spectrum CCD camera with some quartz optics and show us some spectral profiles of these clouds to try to convince us. Cuz this same old pics and arguments rehashed on both sides is getting OLD and a huge waste of effort.
If there are secret conspiracies spraying chemicals out of planes, then THOSE CONSPIRACIES HAVE OBVIOUSLY WON THE BATTLE, since nobody is actually doing anything constructive about it, everyone wastes their efforts spending too much time typing in messages that everyone agrees are TL;DR and then doing NOTHING ELSE TO FIND ANY ANSWERS OR EVEN FORMULATE SOME BETTER QUESTIONS…
Uhm, it’s not that the debunker side has to prove anything. The scientific side of contrail forming is well established – the physics is known, research was done, and everything adds up to be pretty consistent.
Why should we have to repeat the research over and over again? The existing knowledge explains things well enough. This is what you can learn at school, just like the basics about why an airplane is able to fly, or about how clouds are forming.
So your comparison between the both sides here is not adequate. These are not just two competing belief systems.
The side that makes the claim that the confirmed knowledge is not sufficient to explain common phenomenons has the obligation to provide convincing evidence.
So far, we have seen no images that showed something unexplainable, except for some crude fakes.
Truby said:
“ARE THERE ANY SCIENTISTS OR ENGINEERS WHO HAVE ACTUALLY DONE SOME RESEARCH ON THE TOPIC? ANYONE WHO HAS LOFTED A BALLOON UP INTO ONE OF THESE SUSPECT CLOUDS AND TAKEN A SAMPLE, OR SPECTROGRAPHICALLY MEASURED ITS CONTENT? ”
Yes- there are plenty- perhaps none posting on this thread- but over the course of 60yrs – 100s of different scientists have done just this- published their findings for all to see, review and critique…others then build upon that knowledge base and further the discussion. Moreover, many of the atmospheric scientists who currently study contrails are easily identified and fully accessible for further discussion and verification…should one choose to do so.
Science is funny in that you do not have to “believe” anyone else. You can show yourself what happens when water vapor condenses and then freezes- will it persist or won’t it? …and why.
As for the planes- yes, I have, in fact, seen similar planes up close and am fully comfortable in my “belief” that the planes in these pictures are for similar purposes…
I’m not the one making a claim. I’m just pointing aout that all the evidence presented in favor of “chemtrails” is either wrong or does not support the claim.
So since there’s no evidence to support the theory, then why on earth would someone want to spend thousands of dollars on a trip to sample an aircraft plume, which would prove absolutely nothing if it was found to be normal?
No, all I have to do is point out there is no evidence. If you want to make a claim, then present some evidence.
Hi Truby, just wanted to clarify, Science does not always use evidence, there are many egos involved in scientific fields as well as other drivers such as money and power. I love when people throw cliche’s around that sound like they must be right but they are just idealistic sayings over used. Use of language has greater repocutions than many realize. Science is based on human beings, not evidence. When humans develop the awareness to make decisions based on getting the outcome that benefits progress of the community or even species we will be on the right track.
Also wanted to known the Bloggers opinions on A.C Griffith and his statements regarding Chemtrails.
Happy truth hunting to all.
Jax