Several planes look a little odd, or have attachments that look odd, and so some people feel they must be part of a decades long conspiracy to spray stuff into the atmosphere to alter the weather or reduce the population. That’s obviously nonsense, but what are these strange planes?
[Update: there are many other photos like the “barrel” interior below, I’ve collected a lot of them on Metabunk]
Here’s one making the rounds, scary looking barrels, and a sign on the wall that possibly says “Hazmat inside”
What is it? It’s a Boeing 777-200LR Worldliner, specifically it’s WD001, a plane that was used for flight testing. The original photo can be found here – note the “Hazmat” text was added later. The barrels contain water, which is pumped around to shift the center of gravity to test various flight characteristics.
Here’s a description of a similar setup from the 2002 book, “Inside Boeing, Building the 777”, page 76., describing tests done in 1994.
From Boeing’s blog:
Remember, we test at the extremes of the weight/CG envelope. This requires us to control the CG during ground and flight conditions. We can move weight, in the form of water, forward or aft with the use of the water ballast system. This system is comprised of 48 barrels, each capable of carrying 460 pounds, connected by tubing to a pump. A computerized system tracks fuel placement, fuel burn, people placement, ballast, flap setting, landing gear position and water barrel quantity. The information is processed to display the airplane’s current CG. We move water or specify fuel tank usage to configure the CG within the specified test requirements.
Why are there overhead luggage compartments? It’s a test plane, and for FAA certification they have to demonstrate that everything works. That includes stuff like the emergency oxygen system, and more minor things like the luggage compartments. It’s a requirement that they don’t pop open in flight – so that needs to be tested. They are also handy for stowing the engineers’ stuff.
Here’s some pictures from Boeing:
And a lot more photos can be found on Boeing’s site.
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This one gets a lot of use in the “chemtrail” forums:
Particularly because of the unusual collections of pipes sticking out in various places. There’s those two at the front, and then there is a group over the wing. Here’s some close ups
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Very sinister looking tubes, but why are half of them facing the wrong way?
The plane is not for spraying the atmosphere, it’s for sampling the atmosphere. It’s a research aircraft, registration N701BN, operated by th e department of energy’s national labs. It’s pretty much one of a kind, so it’s hardly likely to be responsible for all the persistent contrails we see every day. The research is mostly on pollutants in the atmosphere, particularly from coal and oil burning power plants. But they also investigate the properties of clouds, which includes contrails.
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Here’s another photo you see in “chemtrail” videos, with the implied suggestion that it’s some kind of evil spraying device:
Actually it IS a spraying device, but quite innocuous. It’s on an NKC-135A (55-3128) with the refueling boom modified to spray water. This used by the air force to test icing of planes in flight.
Here’s the original photo:
See also: https://www.safaq.hq.af.mil/news/march04/raptor.html
Here’s some more details:
nkc-135-icing-attachmentpv1983_2688.pdf
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This plane is quite interesting:
It’s an E-6B “Tacamo”. This photo shows it dumping fuel (photo from tacamo.org). The E-6B is used by the United States Strategic Command as an airborne communication center. You can see the navy logo on the right wing. The E-6B is a modified version of the Boeing 707-320, and the fuel vents have been moved from the wing tips to between the fuselage and the engines in order to separate it from the communication equipment in the wing tips. This is what the wing-tip ESM/SATCOM pod looks like:
It looks like this odd assemblage is also creating some wingtip vortex contrails as well. The plane is pretty much all white, which is something you hear mentioned from time to time in “chemtrail” conspiracy theories.
Here’s another photo of the same plane, taken from a “chemtrail” YouTube video:
It shows the opening and drogue for the ELF trailing wire antenna. This is a very long wire antenna that is extended behind the plane for several hundred feet and used for communications with submarines. The “drogue” is just a cone-shaped weight. Here’s a close-up
http://www.flickr.com/photos/coldwararchaeology/5180470207/in/photostream
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This plane also looks at first glance like it might be dumping fuel (click image for full sized photo):
But the trails are actually coming from six smoke generators. It was part of a NASA test to study wake vortices, you can read about it here:
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/B-747/HTML/ECN-4242.html
Six smoke generators were installed under the wings of the 747 to provide a visual image of the trailing vortices. The object of the experiments was to test different configurations and mechanical devices on the747 that could be used to break up or lessen the strength of the vortices. The results of the tests could lead to shorter spacing between landings and takeoffs, which, in turn, could alleviate air-traffic congestion.
Here’s another image of the same plane:
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This plane also occasionally get brought up in chemtrail conspiracy groups:
This is obviously not a contrail, it’s far too low and the trail is dropping too rapidly.
It’s a Boeing 747-100 “Supertanker”, modified by Evergreen Aviation, the only one of its kind. Specifically designed for fire fighthing. That’s it dumping water. Here’s some more recent photos.
Here’s a video of it in action, titled “B747 chemtrails”. It’s interesting reading the comments, as the first comment correctly identifies what it is, and then everyone else just ignores that and starts speculating.
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This one looks like a plane spraying stuff. But again it’s rather close to the ground. It’s actually taking off with the assistance of rockets. It’s not spraying, that’s just rocket exhaust.
This particular plane is a Boeing B-47B, rocket assisted take off, April 15, 1954. An no, that’s not a contrail in the sky behind it – it’s rip in the photo. Click on it for a large version from Wikipedia.
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This one is used for cloud seeding. It does not actually spray anything but uses silver iodine flares that are either ejected, or burn in place.
It’s operated by the Sandy land Underground Water Conservation district of Plains, Texas, as part of their SOAR program. They have some more photos of similar equipment on their site. They are all small aircraft not capable of getting to the above 30,000 feet where contrails normally form.
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This next photo is also of silver iodine flares, fixed underneath at large plane.
These also show up in “chemtrail” literature. They are sold by Weather Modification Inc, they make a range of weather modification equipment. About this one they say:
WMI racks for ejectable flares are mounted on the belly of the aircraft fuselage. Each rack holds 102 cartridges. When fired, the pyrotechnic is ignited and ejected from the aircraft. In this configuration, the WMI Lear 35A is equipped with four 102-count racks for ejectable glaciogenic pyrotechnics, a total of 408 flares.
Here’s another, this time from North American Weather Consultants, Inc.
About which they say:
This aircraft-mounted cloud seeding generator is fixed in place, and can burn a silver iodide solution during flight.
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This one is the “Mk.32 drogue-type underwing pod on the Armée de l’Air Boeing C-135FR Stratotanker” (“93-CC”- s/n 63-8472 of GRV 93). It’s an in-flight refueling system on a French Boeing C-135FR Stratotanker, photographed in Canada, Feb 2005.
See: http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/tanker_flight_240205.htm
The following is supposed to be a plane that has “chemtrail aerosol nozzles” over three of the engines.
In reality, this plane N707MQ is a Boeing 707-320B. The engines are Pratt & Whitney JT3D-3:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Omega-Tanker/Boeing-707-321B/1622886/M/
It should be perfectly obvious that the “nozzles” are facing the wrong way to be spraying anything. They are actually turbocompressors, which are driven by engine bleed air, and are used to pressurize the interior of the plane. There are only three, as that’s all you need. Here’s a discussion:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/8225/
How come NASA has the only cloud chart that includes contrails and describes planes making man-made clouds?
All other cloud charts do not include contrails.
You should check some books on clouds,they all include contrails.
But lots of charts leave them off as they are man-made, and not part of the traditional taxonomy. They are often classified with unusual clouds like mammatys or lenticular.
Please provide me a list of books so I may check them out. I looked at several books and no where did they mention that planes make man-made clouds. It would be interesting to see what the publication dates are. I would bet the ones that do mention planes creating clouds were published after 2000.
Clouds of the World, 1972
http://picasaweb.google.com/Uncinus/CloudsOfTheWorld1972?feat=embedwebsite
A week ago I took a few pictures of a jet contrailing right above my place but only this weekend I finally got time to look at them in detail. To my great surprise, there seems to be an extra “engine” on the left side of the aircraft, and the contrail on this side appears noticeably thicker 🙂
The same effect was observed on several photos of this aircraft, my best one (magnified and cropped) is here:
https://contrailscience.com/wp-content/uploads/extra_engine.jpg
I don’t think the extra engine would have to be actually running to have an effect on the contrail. May have been just extra vortices.
I have found that this configuration is known from other airplane types, for ferrying spare engines:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/635769/M/
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/9/2/4/0289429.jpg
Seems relatively common on the 747
http://www.google.com/search?q=747+fifth+engine&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=hmt4T6jvM5T1sQKlq9WiBA&biw=768&bih=900&sei=oGt4T7vtFOmvsgLlq9iiBA
JFDee and Uncinus,
Thank you for your educational replies. I haven’t heard before about some types of aircraft indeed being able to carry a spare engine under the wing. My previous post was intended to be a 1st April joke. I was and am confident about an extra “engine” on my photos being a trick of light. The right engine was illuminated by the sun on one side only, whereas the left engine was additionally illuminated on the other side by the reflecting light from the fuselage. The second bright area on the left engine, separated from the first by a darker strip, created an illusion of an extra engine on the left side.
Well, your claim just was not “foolish” / far out enough 🙂
You got me! my excuse is I looked at the photo on my phone first. 🙂
My daughter says they erase the sun every sunset now. They follow patterns to block the sun and do not fade. One fell apart leaving a square cloud. It rains everynight. Are they protecting us from radiation? Some sort of global security? I cant imagine they are trying to kill us, just put ;ots of chemicals in our bodies so when something crazy happens we stay calm from all the metals “clouding” in our brains. They are everywhere now. Not too normal, not normal at all, no answers to something in plain sight.
Wel, they certainly can’t “erase the sunset” everywhere for everyone. Think about it. That is frankly preposterous. My sunset isn’t erased, even though I saw persistent contrails qute often during the day.
However, KT, what you describe, a regularly occurring pattern of contrails along the same tracks at the same time does lead meto a quite different conclusion than you or your daughter have made.
When I see a regular pattern of contrails, along a similar track or during a particular time of day, to me this leads me to hypothesize that perhaps my observation is the result of ordinary scheduled commercial jet traffic, regularly scheduled airlines carrying passengers, not somene “erasing the sun”, or “protecting us from radiation” or “putting chemicals in our bodies”.
Here is what I do.
1. go to
http://www.flightaware.com
2. hover over “Live Flight Tracking”
3. when you do this, move slightly right and click on “browse by airport”
4. you will see a list of states, Choose any airport in your state
5. you will see a list of airports. Pick a major airport in your state, or any airport, and click on the link to the right of the airport which says “flight tracker”
6. you will see a map of the airport area. at the lower right corner of the map, you will see a symbol with crossed arrows. Click on the symbol and a new page will open showing the area, maximize that window to view it full screen
7. On the map, you will see airplanes flying around the map. If you want to see the airplanes flying over your area, just use your mouse to drag the screen so that you can findyour location, then you can zom in or out to see more flights headed your way, passing overhead, etc.
8. If you need more informaton about the planes you see, just hover over the plane and you can get more info or if you have trouble, just return and ask your questions.
My present location is just offshore from south Louisiana, on a boat working in the Gulf of Mexico. All day long I have been showing my crewmates the contrails, and explaining that what we saw were mostly flights to/from Florida and Houston, TX or points west. Here is a typical flight, we see many of these every day:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL685/history/20120429/1845Z/KMIA/KIAH
You can try and debunk all you want.I. live in Vancouver where extensive chemtrailing go’s on.stratotankers fly out of Comox AFB.(google sat.shows hundreds of barrels or tanks littering the infield.I. have many photos and hrs of video clearly showing
– turning spray off and on.
-leaving normal contrail which dissipates then switching on the noxious spew which sticks in the sky for hours and expanding to several km. wide
-leaving ComoxAFB and spraying right after taking off while climbing.
-last week(several times) out east over the Fraser Valley climbing like a rocket at a 70 degree angle leaving a massive thick trail which then turned off after reaching high altitude
Flying erratically,doing turns and wide banks over Vancouver while spraying.
-And finally last week,the holy grail.A great zoom closeup spraying directly overhead and positively ID’d as boing stratotanker.
I know the treasonous treacherous traiterous
powers that be employ many people as debunkers to deny or explain away their despicable dastardly deeds like chemtrails and 911.soon the lid will get blown off these coverups at which point there should be many executions including all of you criminal debunkers and decievers
mark veldkamp,
why don’t you post or show your best (most convincing) videos somwhere? We heard a lot of exciting descriptions before but rarely got to see some real footage.
Mark, what you describe just sounds like normal activity, but misinterpreted. Planes leave persistent contrails, which vary with the atmosphere, so seem to turn on and off. Planes fly horizontally, but seem to fly vertically when they are very high and are flying overhead. See:
https://contrailscience.com/contrails-are-usually-horizontal/
I’d be intereseted to see the video of the contrail at takeoff. I suspect it’s either an aerodynamic contrail, or you were filming from directly behind the plane, so you can see the exhaust trail end on, which amplifies its visibility (you are seeing soot and the visual effects of heat and turbulence).
Always with the handy answer eh.sorry none of your stuff flys and every statement you make only raises more suspicions regarding your motivation to be on here trying to disinform people.So a lot of pilots doimg flyovers are:
Drunk
Stoned
Both
Flying erratically cause they’re bored with going in straight lines
Turning engines off and on to scare the passengers
Making sudden turns loops and complete 180’s(uh rrroger tower ac126 we’re turning around and coming back someone neglected to reload the booze cart
I have no reason to lie or make shit up.in fact I would love to go back 20 years and stay there in a much more innocent era before I knew all the shit that I now know.ps a new website is under construction here by like minded people.when its finished(shortly)myself and many others will be providing copious amounts of photographic and video evidence.I will provide directions to this new site the minute it is up and running.
IN THE MEANTIME I ENCOURAGE ALL FREE MINDED PEOPLE TO REMAIN VIGILANTE AND CONTINUE TO OPPOSE THE DECIEVERS
By the way you’ll notice I provided my real name and location.the suits in the black suburbans do not scare me one little bit.I only fear God and eternally dark and hot places where all evildoers will inevitably reside
Planes do not turn engines on an off. Contrails are boroken and start and stop due to variations in atmospheric condition.
Planes change heading, and even turn around, for a variety of reasons.
I look forward to seeing your web site. But maybe in the meantime you could put on YouTube the video of the plane leaving a contrail from takeoff?
Just filmed a chemtrailer spraying directly over Vancouver.it was leaving no trail at all as it is a warm and dry day.all of a sudden a couple of puffs of smoke a gap a then some more puffs/gaps and then a full on spew of thick noxious smog for approx.3 km.then puff/gap several times and then nothing.completely stopped at which time aircraft banked to the east and disappeared into the chemical haze.can you explain to me exactly which type of atmospheric conditions would cause this phenomena.
Well Mark lately many airlines are struggling financially resulting in cutbacks to engine maintenance programs so what you’re seeing is just the result of engines that are badly in need of a tuneup.
There. Saved ya from having to cook up another bogus explanation.
Explanation here:
https://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/
So, Mark you think someone should be executed for speaking their mind, eh? That’s very egalitarian of you. You also say you would like to go back 20 years, but even further back persistent and broken contrails were in the news. It seems you missed this back in 1980:
https://contrailscience.com/1980-nbc-news-report-on-contrails/
One thing I could check out was your claim to be able to see “hundreds of barrels or tanks littering the infield”. I took a look and don’t find anything of the sort. There is a nice golf course directly adjacent to the runway, called “Glacier Greens”.
Are you saying that secret spraying operations load barrels or tanks and then leave from a runway in full view of a public golf course? This seems rather improbable to me, but if you seriously believed that, you would have long ago gone over and filmed close-up views of these spraying operations in action.
Since you haven’t, sounds to me like you aren’t very serious about what you do.
I doubt that we’ll see anything concrete from you, as you seem disinclined to do more than accuse people you don’t know and threaten to execute them as you please. Blowhard.
The lid will come off very soon.blow that
Yes you’re right.I just checked CFB comox on google and the infield is now completely clear.just 2 months ago when I looked there were hundreds of tanks or drums strewn acroos the grass.so I just called a friend who lives in Parksville and golfed that course last week.he tells me all the drums are still there.I have no reason to lie or be like the decievers.obvioits bren cleared from google map
By “very soon”, what do you mean? We can just check back at that time to see if you are correct.
mark veldkamp said:
“I just checked CFB comox on google and the infield is now completely clear.just 2 months ago when I looked there were hundreds of tanks or drums strewn acroos the grass.”
How could it be? The satellite/aerial images of this area on Google Earth and Google Maps are dated 7/17/2005. Two months ago they had to be the same as they are now.
How could it be is a good question.I know what I saw.never thought to copy the image but I’m pretty sure its not the first time something on google maps has been erased or obscured.obviously I never would have mentioned it if I knew it was now altered
Like I said I know what I saw.To you it means I’m full of shit since what I spoke of is no longer ther.To me it only reaffirms and further reinforces my belief that something very rotten is going on
“I only fear God and eternally dark and hot places where all evildoers will inevitably reside”
Along with those guilty of false witness…
Ignorance will NOT be an excuse
I don’t know why it’s so hard for some people to post pics here. Does the Bigfoot forum have the same problem?
So, Mark, here you have run up against people willing and able to check into your claims. You have now claimed that hundreds of barrels litter the infield of COMOX air force base in full view of golfers, as recently as last week. You made the claim, now it is up to you to document that claim by using the camera you claim to have and get back to us with a photo.
I won’t hold my breath.
Yes hold your breath.these photos and vids wont be going on this site.there will however be directions to another site soon.I’ll have a better idea of exactly when following the long weekend when I talk to the site builder.I’m on a mobile device since my laptop was ripped off in a home robbery.don’t worry you’ll see them and I don’t think you’ll like it
I plan to go to the island in two weeks to investigate further.being its a long weekend and there have been several ferry cancellations you’ll have to have some patience.Soon.
Unicus.thanks for the explanation re the on offon chemtrail thing.that all makes imminent sense.NOT.It doesn’t evev begin to address or explaiwhat I saw.if your explanation held any water it would mean there are many invisible lines in the sky defining areas of vastly different atmospheric conditions.so these allegedly legitimate overflights travel thru these vastly different atmospheric zones which begin and end so abruptly and then suddenly veer off in another direction.and you state that aircraft often change course or reverse direction.since when do aircraft often change course or reverse direction and how do you come up with this BS.
2 years ago I observed a chemtrail over Calgary sprayed in the late afternoon.by evening it had grown to (conservative estimate)5 km.wide.due to a stagnant air flow and very little wind this massive disgusting streak in the sky had drifted somewhat to the east and had grown to cover half the sky.had to be 80 or a 100 km wide.still visible in the eastern sky by next evening 28 hrs later.on and on it goes.
Where and how it ends no1 knows.
Another example of abrupt changes in atmosperic conditions
BULLSHIT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5z4a_eGs0&sns=em
And yet another great example of radically different atmospheric conditions.very nice well defined boundary lines. Such bullshit.you guys and your bogus explanations and arguments crack me up.very entertaining.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q28dQaaLQGQ&sns=em
@mark veldkamp
I’m surprised that you dare to come back with your made-up stories. Tell us again, why Google would have to ‘erase’ old aerial images of some place in a foreign country that they did not produced themselves but obtained from the public domain? You never would have mentioned it, if you knew that you would be caught in a lie so easily, wouldn’t you?
2 months ago you could also enter Haarp on google maps and it would come up HAARP, Gakona Alaska.
When you went there it appeared to be mostly obscured except for 1 small corner of the installation.clearly visible tesla coils on towers and corresponding shadows.now it appears that HAARP is completely erased from google maps and if you now enter haarp in the search box it says no such location
I’m surprised how you can breath with your head so far up your ass.wake the hell up and come out for some air
I enjoy making up stories along with fake TUBE VIDS depicting fake planes spewing out fake noxious spew and made up commentary. that accompanies said fake videos.Get real dumbass
Ok my bad. I searched haarp again and its still there same as b4 partially obscured.I admit I erred there.still standing firm on the CFB Comox barrels in the infield thing.Dude seriously I would not make that shit up.I swear on a b train stacked with bibles.why or how it was altered I couldn’t say.at any rate I’m morethan willing to admit when I’m wrong on something.Are you?
Ok Alexey.now I’m gonna man up and apologize for insulting you.I’m sorry.you pushed my buttons calling my stories made up and I reacted without thinking
PS NO MADE UP STORIES HERE
Mark-
The changes in the atmosphere that can change the naturen of a contrail do not have to be “vastly” different…just a few degrees of temperature can be the difference between a trail forming or not…or a slight change in humidity can be the difference between a trail persisting or not…
…and these changes can happen in a matter of feet…
Think about it…why are there clouds in one spot but not in another that is a few feet away.
This isn’t disinformation…just basic physics.
Mark,
Your claim that there are never boundaries between high and low moisture areas in the atmosphere is not founded in visual, or water vapor imagery commonly available to anyone.
Visually, everyone can see, even in the video you posted, that clouds can have boundaries and edges.
Those edges mark boundaries of moisture differences.
The same goes for water vapor imagery obtained by satellites:
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/NA_Water_Vapor_20100218_1830.png
The same goes for cloud-free skies. All air contains moisture, some remains invisible until the air parcel is over saturation. This is not news to anyone and despite your protestaions to the contrary, if you speak to anyone knowledgeable of meteorology you can confirm this. That is why there has never been a degree-holding meteorologist who believes in your chemtrail claims.
Readers should pay attention to this last statement. It tells you that out of tens of thousands of men and women who hold degrees in atmospheric science and related subjects, there is probably only one thing that they ALL agree with.
NOT ONE has ever been convinced to join the chemtrails camp.
The second video you posted was initially a hoax and has been thouroughly covered as to what you are actually seeing. The first video you posted was pretty convincing however. The best thing I can say with that one is they must have made an abrupt power change. Or maybe they were right above or below a layer of air condusive to trail formation.
Why are you not convinced about the variability of the atmosphere? When you look up do you not see all the clouds with distinct edges? Those edges take place in a matter of feet. Could a plane not fly through different regions as well? How about turbulence? What do you suppose causes that?
But why can’t you just post some pics here? Its safe.
As I explained earlier my laptop was ripped off and neither my camera or phone will not upload directly on here.And no I don’t buy the atmospheric change explation especially combined with the erratic flying and sudden course changes.witnessed many times including just yesterday.You can try and explain away all these strange happenings and taken individually ya all can and do make convincing arguments that may be quite convincing to some.most people are not buying it because when you combine all these observations together and lookat them all together the explanations don’t fly.especially the planes alter course and turn around all the time.that’s a good one.
Ok.you tell me how to transfer photos from my phone onto here.I have two very intriguing photos taken in Duncan last summer.id love to hear your opinion on these.I think they have to go on a pc first.not sure how to go about it otherwise id load so much shit on here the site would prob.crash.
I didn’t claim there are no boundaries between atmospheric conditions.I’m sure there are.I just don’t buy it as a reasonable explanation for what I’ve witnessed specifically
So the real question is are you here to debate to an end or are you trenched in? I’m more than happy to look at your pics as long as your open to some of our explainations. So far it sounds like you’ll only accept statements that support your claims and are closed to ideas that don’t.
What say you?
You can upload photos elsewhere and post the links, or email them to me from your phone: [email protected]
If they’re capable of this they’re capable of anything.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Trj_5J02k
OVER AND OUT
OPPOSE THE DECEIVERS
mark veldkamp,
you linked a video which has no relevance in the discussion about contrails.
If you refer to a capability of covering up something, that “wrong report” thing is a very bad example as it would have been a clumsy maneuver, easy to spot, not actually useful for anything.
Besides, it has been discussed up and down, and the explanation offered (wrong Reuters report) is plausible enough.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/07/controversy_conspiracies_iii.html
But all this does not give the least bit more weight to your claims. Do not expect to be taken seriously until you provide some of your material.
Who the fck r u tellin what I should or shouldn’t put on here.its all related.its all part of the big picture.by the way I don’t giv a fck about reporters screwing up on the timing of the demolition of building 7.its the new footage at the end but you prob. didn’t even watch the whole thing.And here’s some of the best evidence yet and conbined with everything else should leave no doubt in the mind of any rational person as to who pulled this off.Like I said its all interelayed.its becoming painfully obvious that evertone on here who responds to my posts is in deep with the triple T’s.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=PG3uaQxc8uQ
If you refer to specific sections of a video, it would be better to give the exact time at which we are supposed to start watching.
I won’t watch any more 9/11 videos, BTW. This site is about trails. I am looking forward to seeing your material.
Yes, please stay off 9/11. There are MANY places you can discuss that. I WILL delete additional 9/11 material as spam.
“Making sudden turns loops and complete 180′s(uh rrroger tower ac126 we’re turning around and coming back someone neglected to reload the booze cart”
Mark.It seems you are referring to a holding pattern.
They are one of the most basic and essential aspects of aviation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holding_(aviation)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMBVJ_oEJRg
From your comments expressing surprise at course changes I’m wondering how many times a year you fly in jetliners. Would it be often or rarely?
No I’m not referring to a fckng holding pattern.you guys are all fucked.I’m leaving now.you jackasses can argue among yourselves.
OPPOSE THE DECIEVERS
What a very well reasoned argument!
Aircraft also do 180s when they detect a problem and fly back the way they came.
Here is a recent report. Not necessarily the event you saw but an example of what happens.
http://avherald.com/h?article=44f9832e&opt=0
You saw a plane turn around and saw others change course. Since you seem unfamiliar with normal aviation you assume there is something suspicious about that.
Just because you are unfamiliar with normal aviation does not mean that there is a conspiracy.
I saw a car driving down a road and suddenly change course and head off in a different direction.
By your reasoning should that make me think there is something suspicious and it is part of a grand automotive conspiracy?
No, it is just a normal part of driving.
What you describe fits regular events in normal aviation.
Don’t be fooled by the numerous disinformation agents and their new wave of desperate propaganda. The existance of Chemtrails has been confirmed beyond any doubt. In a 2010 international Chemtrail Syposium sponsored by the Belfort Group, Aerospace engineers use science and public domain documents in a 336 page report (CASE ORANGE) as conclusive evidence for an ongoing covert geoengineering operation known to millions of civilian observers around the world as “chemtrails”. This is not a “conspiracy theory”. Congressional legislation sponsored by Dennis Kucinich in 2001 (HR-2977) used the word “Chemtrails” to describe a type of “exotic weapon”. I earned my pilot license in 1977 and have researched this topic for 8 years and I know the difference between contrails of water vapor and dry powdered aluminum sprayed from jet aircraft.
http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/949/419/Whistleblowers_Talk_at_Chemtrails_Symposium_-_THE_BELFORT_GROUP,_EU.html
Hsaive said:
“I know the difference between contrails of water vapor and dry powdered aluminum sprayed from jet aircraft.”
Do you? In this case, please, tell us, what’s the difference.
I’m familiar with aluminum powder since my school years. It was an ingredient for making ‘silver’ paint, but we commonly used it in DIY pyrotechnics. Aluminum powder is pyrophoric, so it would be extremely dangerous to ‘spray’ it in large quantities. Anything producing a spark can set off an explosion of aluminum powder suspended in air.
Anyway, even if you manage to ‘spray’ it safely, it would not produce a persistent trail. It would produce a quickly dissipating trail, like smoke trails from special cartridges used in aviation shows.
Nice photos. It doesn’t change the fact that the skies are being sprayed with something. Anybody who has been alive for more than 10 years simply has to look up to see that something isn’t normal. When the temperature in the desert is over 90 degrees and the humidity is 10%, it isn’t overcast every single day.
I’m so tired of hearing how the world is round when anybody who has been alive for more than ten years has to look around and see it’s clearly flat.
Mac there are twice as many large jet aircraft flying now as in 1990, they fly further, they are always trying to fly higher and they have more efficient engines that are more prone to making contrails – given that then you’d expect there to be more contrails today than “before”.
And ground level humidity and temperature have little or nothing to do with what those values are at 30-40,000 feet – as soon as someone mentions those as “evidence” it is a sure sign they do not actually know much about atmospheric science – sorry!
Hsaive said: “I know the difference between contrails of water vapor and dry powdered aluminum sprayed from jet aircraft.”
Indeed – one of the obvious differences would probably be that dry powdered aluminium would not have a gap between it and the aircraft as contrails always do (because it takes a little time for het water vapour to cool and freeze).
So where are the photos of these trails?
Also of course dry powdered aluminium would not be coming from the engine – or if it was you couldn’t run it through the combustion system with the fuel because it would erode and/or clog components and if it made it to the combustion chamber and was melted it would solidify all over the turbine blades and stators, ruining the engine further!
So it would still need some separate mechanisms to disperse it – where are these mechanisms to store, distribute and “spray” it? how is it stored on board the aircraft? How is it distributed from that storage to the dispersal mechanism?
And where is the dry powdered aluminium itself?? When & where is it being loaded on the aircraft? ? Where are the bills of sale? Where are the loading sheets for the aircraft showing it in weight and balance calculations? where are the trucks bringing it to aircraft??
and not to mention that dry powdered aluminum would quickly dissipate, whereas contrails can expand and spread and last for hours because they grow with the water in the atmosphere.
I’ve seen something odd in the sky today that would freak out a chemtrail believer.
An aircraft came out from behind a cumulus cloud flying away from me. It was sunlit from behind, so at the first moment its sun-reflecting parts looked like a formation of several smaller planes. I would say that its altitude was fairly low, probably about 3,000 meters. There was a white trail right behind it, without a noticeable gap. In a few seconds, the aircraft abruptly stopped emitting the trail and then faded into the sky. The short trail it left behind has rapidly expanded and dissipated within minutes.
I couldn’t figure out what it was but I hope that I could find out later. Most unfortunately, I left my camera in the office and couldn’t record this unusual event.
The plane must have pulled some cloud along with it.
@captfitch
Thank you for a fantastic explanation 🙂
However, I checked local events and found the most probable explanation to what I saw yesterday. By the time and place, it ought to be a missing man flypast at the Memorial Day at Madingley American Cemetery: http://www.madingleyamericancemetery.info/memorial-day.htm
From a distance of about 4.5 miles it was difficult to distinguish details with the naked eye. After all, my first impression was correct: it was a tight formation of four F15, with only one of them producing a smoke trail and then pulling out. I almost convinced myself that it was a single bigger aircraft, and the “formation” was a trick of light.
I’m very grateful for sites like this. Thank you. I’m VERY skeptical of just about anything. That includes both conspiracy theories and debunking alike.
Sometimes the internet reminds me of a virtual class room in the sense that one kid asks a question, gets an answer they might make the question seem stupid, and everyone laughs at the kid. …even though most of the people in the class probably had the same question/s if they were actually contemplating anything other than the next episode of their favorite TV fiction.
I noticed in the beginning of the site the “conspiracy to spray stuff into the atmosphere to alter the weather” was considered “obviously nonsense”.
What do you make of this?
“Blue skies would fade to hazy white if geoengineers inject light-scattering aerosols into the upper atmosphere to offset global warming.”
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21873-geoengineering-would-turn-blue-skies-whiter.html
I can see why people would think a chemtrail conspiracy is more than just a theory.
Your thoughts?
Well, since the blue skies have NOT faded to a hazy white, then that provides pretty good evidence that geoengineers are NOT injecting light-scattering aerosols into the hazy atmosphere.
Your link provides very good evidence for geoengineering as a concept – something that might happen in the future. But it provides no evidence that it’s happening now. Quite the opposite. Indeed, the scientists involved note that this is a good reason to not take this particular course, due to the negative side-effects.
What a poor attempt to dismiss chemtrails. Just because you explain photos of a few planes with weird operations doesn’t discount the planes seen everyday over major city areas dumping what are obviously not contrails. Am I to believe that the planes you show here fly over my house several times every week? Most of the trails you show are quite short and very different looking from the standard chemtrail. You offer no explanation for the multiple planes that unload these long, slowly-dissipating trails that crisscross the sky with amazing frequency.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/carnegie-institute-calls-for-spraying-aerosols-to-block-the-sun.html
If they are calling for it, then does that not imply that it has not been done yet?
this post is about debunking the photos of supposed Chemtrails p,anes, there are p,entry of other posts explaining the long trails, and why they form grids sometimes. There’s a post key here
https://contrailscience.com/how-to-debunk-chemtrails/
For those who believe these are contrails : contrails dissipate relatively quickly and usually retain their length like a tail behind the plane. Chemtrails hang up in the sky, even long after the plane has gone, and slowly spread. Also, if these are contrails, why are they constantly done in an obviously intentional crisscrossing pattern?
http://www.green-alternative.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DSC07148.jpg
Does this picture look like contrails to anyone? I think not…
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BGko said:
“For those who believe these are contrails : contrails dissipate relatively quickly”
Can you explain why you think contrails should vanish quickly? Why should they not be able to stay like cirrus clouds do, depending on the conditions?
“Relating observations of contrail persistence to numerical weather analysis output” – http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/9/1357/2009/acp-9-1357-2009.pdf
This paper is not primarily about contrail persistence itself – but it uses contrails of various ages to test numerical models – it uses the following definitions:
“The contrail categories are defined as follows: short-lived contrails are contrails that dissipate as the aircraft moves across the sky. Persistent contrails are contrails that remain in the sky after the aircraft has flown out of view of the observer. Spreading contrails are defined as persistent contrails wider than the width of a finger held at arm’s length.”
this paper studies contrails from 12 September 2001 because they were isolated and could be easily followed due to the lack of air traffic – it has time scales of less than 1 hour to 10 hours for contrail dissipation – http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass/pub/conference/Minnis.abs.ARAMS.02.pdf
Conspiracy theories only emerge when there are coverups
OPPOSE THE DECEIVERS
TIME IS SHORT
OPOSE THE DECEIVERS
Conspiracy theories emerge only in the face of mass coverups.more coverups equals more conspiracies.
OPPOSE THE DECEIVERS
Here are some coverups within the conspiracy theory crowd, things that have been claimed by many major figures in the movement, but which they have never shown. When will chemtrail believers hold their leadership accountable?
http://metabunk.org/threads/267-Proposal-for-a-quot-Chemtrails-Information-Freedom-Aagreement-quot
The coverups continue week by week, because even when massive errors are pointed out to major figures like Dane Wigington, he refuse to correct or even address the issues. By doing so, he sets up those who follow for failure when his uncorrected errors become owned by unsuspecting newbies.
http://metabunk.org/threads/615-Debunked-Dane-Wigington-s-10-quot-bullet-quot-points-regarding-geoengineering
Oh boy…I thought I’d read it all.
I truely believe that mankind is capable of cruesome crimes…but ever once in while we all need to to a reality check. If you are so fed up with your normal “routine” life that you believe in such incredible conspiracy theories as chemtrails and the way companies/administrations want to control our life by spraying gas etc into the air, just below the Tropopause…maybe one should try to get a in depth look in aviation to see for him/herself that all this conspiracy stuff is so way out of here.
Just take a look at this i.e.:
“And yet another great example of radically different atmospheric conditions.very nice well defined boundary lines. Such bullshit.you guys and your bogus explanations and arguments crack me up.very entertaining.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q28dQaaLQGQ&sns=em”
The video shows jus a MD-11/DC-10 three engine airplane flying at high altitude…and because of the outside temperature and humidity small adjustments to the angle of attack cause the air to be disturbed and the humidity to condensate. The shown nozzels on the left wing are just the flap track canoes, which are aerodynamicly shaped plastic cones to shield the flap extension/retraction mechanism from water and ice. You can’t see them on the right wing because they are in the airplanes shadow. The exhaust gases from the No. 2 engine (the one in the empanage / stabilizer) looks different from the other two engines, as the engine itself is about 20 ft higher than the engines mounted underneath the wings.
I am sure some will call me nuts because I don’t believe in those chemtrail theories.
Oh yes…one thing I forgot to mention.
While I was flying in support of the no fly zone over Bosnia in 1993-1996 and later on in the war on Serbia in 1999, we were briefed every single day we flew, at which altitudes our airplane would leave no visible contrail…as to not alert the Serbian air defense of our presence.
Contrails can really kill you…when the enemy has a good Surface to air missile system or AAA batteries!
But only then…
Bully,
may I ask what type of airplane you were flying at the times you mentioned ?
In regard to this: “Bully,
may I ask what type of airplane you were flying at the times you mentioned ?”
Hi!
I was flying in an E-3A.
Next to a good enemy surveillance radar, contrails were our no.1 enemy…the old Serbs were skilled warriors and really wanted to blast us out of the sky.
I think the whole point could be summed up like this: Any chemical that is released into the atmosphere that is not produced by natural earth environmental processes like volcanic activity, photosynthesis, ect, is a chemical that may or may not be intentionally spray or dumped or whatever could be harmful to the health of the ecosystem and humans. This may or may not be a conspiracy from the illuminati to depopulate the earth or some other ideal. car exhaust is dangerous to our health. smoking is dangerous to our health. texting while driving is dangerous to our health. it makes little difference what chemicals are released or why the are released, they are a health hazard to some extent or another. jet fuel is fuel and it is intoxicating. anything you take in your body that was not intended for human consumption is dangerous.
The real question is not what is being released by why it is being released. Every since 9/11 I have seen just about every conspiracy out there. the bottom line is we are being paranoid. a nuclear bomb could be detonated by a terrorist and kill alot of people. an earthquake can kill a lot of people. an epidemic, natural or lab made pathogen, virus or whatever could kill a lot of people. The Black Plague killed millions of people in Europe and continues to kill people in moderate number worldwide. The Black Plage occurred in the 1600’s, long before the first aircraft was even invented. sickness and death come from all sources. Don’t get paranoid. Let’s say you got the government to crack down and eliminate these “chemtrails” you might die of some other illness or a car crash. death is death and illness is illness. whatever form it takes, you are going to die one way or another, sooner or later, and when God decides to take you, he will. So get over it and live your life. you could wear a gas mask everywhere you go, inside and out, and you might make a left turn and be broadsided by a semi trying to illegally pass you.
it doesn’t matter if the government is allowing or actually trying to depopulate the planet, your life belongs to the Lord Jesus whether you like it or not, and this earthly body is temporal anyway. don’t place too much emphasis on the flesh, but more on the spirit. you have maybe 100 years at most on earth, you have eternity afterwords. focus on that instead.
oh, and beside all this there is the violence, drugs, prostitution, child molestation, war, ect that would probably kill you quicker than the stuff coming down from the sky.
watching clouds all day, eyes irritated, headaches. tilting your head up for long periods will give you a headache. straining your eyes will too. ever considered not staring at the sky all day? maybe if you didn’t spend so much time looking at the big blue nothing you wouldn’t be so paranoid.
“your life belongs to the Lord Jesus whether you like it or not”
Nope.
Personally, I am convinced that humans are the worst thing that happened to our planet. If we are multiplying without any thought and putting ourselves above all other forms of life, religions are not exactly helping, to put it mildly. We should accept that we are just fairly clever animals, not “higher beings”, and have a real sober look at ourselves.
That said, I’m sure there are plenty of places around the Net to discuss these kinds of issues. We will continue to focus on the chemtrail conspiracy theory here as long as there are people believing in it.
JFD I disagree – the planet is not affected by humanity in any important way at all – it will be here even if we wipe ourselves out with nuclear weapons or drown ourselves with global warming.
The only thing humanity is inimical to is a biosphere that is optimised for ourselves and anything else that requires those same conditions….or anything that requires conditions on the “wrong” side of whatever direction we drive conditions.
MikeC, I should have been more precise. I referred to the “planet” including all living things up to, say, ten thousand years ago, before man began his “geo-engineering”, quickly outpacing the mechanisms of adaption prevalent then. You are right of course when we are talking about the celestial body called Earth.
But all this does not decide the fundamental question: “contrail or chemtrail?” :-]
This site is ridiculous, while all the things above were true for their purpose, Being an aircraft mechanic I know the difference between contrails and Chemtrails.. This is just more damage control. Its coming out into the open and you won’t be able to hide the truth much longer…
Charles G Mobley,
so what specifically is the difference between contrails and chemtrails?
So, while you are an “aircraft mechanic”, which somehow qualifies you to discern “chemtrails”, you weren’t able to point to anything wrong here, since it is all true, or to provide any argument in favor of your case. Well, other than this site being “damage control”, but that’s not an argument, that’s a suspiscion, or rather: insinuation.
All in all, all talk, no substance. Too bad, Mr.”Aircraft Mechanic”.
Charles G Mobley Jt wrote:
“This site is ridiculous, while all the things above were true for their purpose, Being an aircraft mechanic I know the difference between contrails and Chemtrails..”
Me to. I started work with New Zealand National Airways corporation (NAC) as an apprentice on a 10,000 hr contract in 1976. Before then I had seen long contrails from 737 flights between Wellington and Dunedin overhead Christchurch often – 737’s were introduced to NZ in 1968, and then in 1976 I was working on them.
NAC merged with Air New Zealand in 1978, and in 1982 I left to study Mechanical Engineering at hte University of Canterbury. in 1987 I started work as a mechanic again with Ansett New Zealand, working on DASH 8’s and 737-100’s and -200’s, until the jets were replaced with BAE 146-200’s and -300’s. then I weas one of their planning engineers, and then a quality assurance engineer.
I also worked as Quality Assurance Engineer for Safe Air in Blenheim, which did maintenance and overhauls on “low volume” airframes (ie a lot of one off’s – mostly overflows from other people’s capability, and for the RNZAF).
I have also worked as a Safety Analyst for the New Zealand Civil Aviation Authority. I have a type I ICAO Aircraft Maintenance Engineer’s Licence, and a Graduate Certificate in Risk Management from an Aussie outfit which is recognised in the Australian Qualifications Framework.
And I know the difference between contrails and chemtrails too – contrails exist, and have a heap of verifiable and credible evidence. Chemtrails are said to exist but no-one has ever provided and verifiable or credible evidence supporting the assertion.
I also know that the levels of evidence for the 2 does not in any way rely upon any qualifications I do or do not have!
running through my history bought me back to a memory of some NASA test strips that were affixed to the flap fairings of the NAC 737’s – I don’t know what they were, but they were narrow strips of something that may have been plastic, epoxy, perhaps carbon fibre or similar, bolted at each end to the outside of the fibreglass fairing with simple attachments. IIRC they were about 6″ long, and maybe 1″ wide, with the centre tapering as if they had been stretched. I don’t recall how many a/c had them fitted, but it was not the entire fleet (which was only 10 or so a/c), not how many were fitted to any given a/c.
I recall discussing it with someone at the time – we really had no idea but thought they must be testing the material for susceptability to cold, vibration, perhaps ozone, or something else to do with high altitude flight.
nb m m,n m
trolling is another psy-op strategy of TPTB… so come on and don’t spend too much energy on B/S…
http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
Well I can see the Elite anti chemtrail disinformation apparatus is working just fine.
It is too late to cover this up anymore.
A simple search on “inside a chemical airliner provides all these photos and more, as well as many interesting sky photos. Including photos from space showing thousands of “chem trails” across three states.
How does that fit in with the concept of test airliners?
Wake your own self to this truth. Because you will be held responsible when it hits the fan.
Which side do you want to be on then?
Chewbit. Perhaps you might like to learn about aviation?
Of course there are photos from space showing trails across numerous trails. Those are persistent contrails and have been extremely common for many decades. have a look around this site and you will discover that there is overwhelming documented proof of that fact.
How does that fit in with the concept of test airliners? It doesn’t.
Test airliners use tanks of water for ballast.
Do you think the FAA would let hundreds of passengers to fly around on airliners before they were tested?
No, of course not, so to simulate the weight of passengers they pump water into tanks instead.
It a whole lot easier than straining people’s backs lifting sand bags around to do the same.
There’s a very comprehensive thread on ballast barrels here:
http://metabunk.org/threads/661-Debunked-Chemtrail-Plane-Interior-(Ballast-Barrels)
Well worth your time to learn the real facts.