Several planes look a little odd, or have attachments that look odd, and so some people feel they must be part of a decades long conspiracy to spray stuff into the atmosphere to alter the weather or reduce the population. That’s obviously nonsense, but what are these strange planes?
[Update: there are many other photos like the “barrel” interior below, I’ve collected a lot of them on Metabunk]
Here’s one making the rounds, scary looking barrels, and a sign on the wall that possibly says “Hazmat inside”
What is it? It’s a Boeing 777-200LR Worldliner, specifically it’s WD001, a plane that was used for flight testing. The original photo can be found here – note the “Hazmat” text was added later. The barrels contain water, which is pumped around to shift the center of gravity to test various flight characteristics.
Here’s a description of a similar setup from the 2002 book, “Inside Boeing, Building the 777”, page 76., describing tests done in 1994.
From Boeing’s blog:
Remember, we test at the extremes of the weight/CG envelope. This requires us to control the CG during ground and flight conditions. We can move weight, in the form of water, forward or aft with the use of the water ballast system. This system is comprised of 48 barrels, each capable of carrying 460 pounds, connected by tubing to a pump. A computerized system tracks fuel placement, fuel burn, people placement, ballast, flap setting, landing gear position and water barrel quantity. The information is processed to display the airplane’s current CG. We move water or specify fuel tank usage to configure the CG within the specified test requirements.
Why are there overhead luggage compartments? It’s a test plane, and for FAA certification they have to demonstrate that everything works. That includes stuff like the emergency oxygen system, and more minor things like the luggage compartments. It’s a requirement that they don’t pop open in flight – so that needs to be tested. They are also handy for stowing the engineers’ stuff.
Here’s some pictures from Boeing:
And a lot more photos can be found on Boeing’s site.
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This one gets a lot of use in the “chemtrail” forums:
Particularly because of the unusual collections of pipes sticking out in various places. There’s those two at the front, and then there is a group over the wing. Here’s some close ups
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Very sinister looking tubes, but why are half of them facing the wrong way?
The plane is not for spraying the atmosphere, it’s for sampling the atmosphere. It’s a research aircraft, registration N701BN, operated by th e department of energy’s national labs. It’s pretty much one of a kind, so it’s hardly likely to be responsible for all the persistent contrails we see every day. The research is mostly on pollutants in the atmosphere, particularly from coal and oil burning power plants. But they also investigate the properties of clouds, which includes contrails.
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Here’s another photo you see in “chemtrail” videos, with the implied suggestion that it’s some kind of evil spraying device:
Actually it IS a spraying device, but quite innocuous. It’s on an NKC-135A (55-3128) with the refueling boom modified to spray water. This used by the air force to test icing of planes in flight.
Here’s the original photo:
See also: https://www.safaq.hq.af.mil/news/march04/raptor.html
Here’s some more details:
nkc-135-icing-attachmentpv1983_2688.pdf
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This plane is quite interesting:
It’s an E-6B “Tacamo”. This photo shows it dumping fuel (photo from tacamo.org). The E-6B is used by the United States Strategic Command as an airborne communication center. You can see the navy logo on the right wing. The E-6B is a modified version of the Boeing 707-320, and the fuel vents have been moved from the wing tips to between the fuselage and the engines in order to separate it from the communication equipment in the wing tips. This is what the wing-tip ESM/SATCOM pod looks like:
It looks like this odd assemblage is also creating some wingtip vortex contrails as well. The plane is pretty much all white, which is something you hear mentioned from time to time in “chemtrail” conspiracy theories.
Here’s another photo of the same plane, taken from a “chemtrail” YouTube video:
It shows the opening and drogue for the ELF trailing wire antenna. This is a very long wire antenna that is extended behind the plane for several hundred feet and used for communications with submarines. The “drogue” is just a cone-shaped weight. Here’s a close-up
http://www.flickr.com/photos/coldwararchaeology/5180470207/in/photostream
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This plane also looks at first glance like it might be dumping fuel (click image for full sized photo):
But the trails are actually coming from six smoke generators. It was part of a NASA test to study wake vortices, you can read about it here:
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/B-747/HTML/ECN-4242.html
Six smoke generators were installed under the wings of the 747 to provide a visual image of the trailing vortices. The object of the experiments was to test different configurations and mechanical devices on the747 that could be used to break up or lessen the strength of the vortices. The results of the tests could lead to shorter spacing between landings and takeoffs, which, in turn, could alleviate air-traffic congestion.
Here’s another image of the same plane:
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This plane also occasionally get brought up in chemtrail conspiracy groups:
This is obviously not a contrail, it’s far too low and the trail is dropping too rapidly.
It’s a Boeing 747-100 “Supertanker”, modified by Evergreen Aviation, the only one of its kind. Specifically designed for fire fighthing. That’s it dumping water. Here’s some more recent photos.
Here’s a video of it in action, titled “B747 chemtrails”. It’s interesting reading the comments, as the first comment correctly identifies what it is, and then everyone else just ignores that and starts speculating.
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This one looks like a plane spraying stuff. But again it’s rather close to the ground. It’s actually taking off with the assistance of rockets. It’s not spraying, that’s just rocket exhaust.
This particular plane is a Boeing B-47B, rocket assisted take off, April 15, 1954. An no, that’s not a contrail in the sky behind it – it’s rip in the photo. Click on it for a large version from Wikipedia.
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This one is used for cloud seeding. It does not actually spray anything but uses silver iodine flares that are either ejected, or burn in place.
It’s operated by the Sandy land Underground Water Conservation district of Plains, Texas, as part of their SOAR program. They have some more photos of similar equipment on their site. They are all small aircraft not capable of getting to the above 30,000 feet where contrails normally form.
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This next photo is also of silver iodine flares, fixed underneath at large plane.
These also show up in “chemtrail” literature. They are sold by Weather Modification Inc, they make a range of weather modification equipment. About this one they say:
WMI racks for ejectable flares are mounted on the belly of the aircraft fuselage. Each rack holds 102 cartridges. When fired, the pyrotechnic is ignited and ejected from the aircraft. In this configuration, the WMI Lear 35A is equipped with four 102-count racks for ejectable glaciogenic pyrotechnics, a total of 408 flares.
Here’s another, this time from North American Weather Consultants, Inc.
About which they say:
This aircraft-mounted cloud seeding generator is fixed in place, and can burn a silver iodide solution during flight.
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This one is the “Mk.32 drogue-type underwing pod on the Armée de l’Air Boeing C-135FR Stratotanker” (“93-CC”- s/n 63-8472 of GRV 93). It’s an in-flight refueling system on a French Boeing C-135FR Stratotanker, photographed in Canada, Feb 2005.
See: http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/tanker_flight_240205.htm
The following is supposed to be a plane that has “chemtrail aerosol nozzles” over three of the engines.
In reality, this plane N707MQ is a Boeing 707-320B. The engines are Pratt & Whitney JT3D-3:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Omega-Tanker/Boeing-707-321B/1622886/M/
It should be perfectly obvious that the “nozzles” are facing the wrong way to be spraying anything. They are actually turbocompressors, which are driven by engine bleed air, and are used to pressurize the interior of the plane. There are only three, as that’s all you need. Here’s a discussion:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/8225/
All the calculations are interdependent, and as it’s a chaotic system, any small perturbation in one variable can cause wildly different results in just a few iterations.
To illustrate, I’ll re-post the links Uncinus gave earlier, firstly to the general concepts of Psychrometrics, and if that all seems so simple, then you see again exactly how complex these systems of equations become, involving 22 variables in 8-order polynomials. Any small change to give one specific result in one variable changes everything within just a few time-steps.
By far the best tool available to prove the existence of chemtrails.
Not entirely sure what there is to learn about copying a video from a device and uploading it to youtube. But hey ho. Enjoy wasting all that precious time that you coulda spent doing something constructive.
HAARP and ELF weather control: um, this has been fully exposed as weather control/warfare experimentation by several former high-level military types and scientists who’ve worked on the various projects. Its all over the net, with extensive citations. I find it interesting that one of the aircraft you list in your “debunking” attempts actually carries just such equipment. Having said that, I do NOT believe that our government is steering hurricanes into densely populated areas..but what’s to stop a foreign power from doing so? Esp. if these arrays can be mounted on ships, as we know full well they have been (again, numerous pictures readily available with citations). Weather manipulation would be awfully tempting as a WMD. Hard to trace back to the source, leaves no radioactive debris..unless of course a nuclear plant is heavily damaged in the process. But go right ahead pretending that all the whistleblowers are kooks and that your government is completely trustworthy, if that helps you sleep at night. That’s assuming that you’re not being paid to spread disinformation as a few other debunkers have been caught doing.
Having said what? Repeating the refuted rumours and conjectures does not prove that the white lines in the sky left by aircraft are anything but vapour trail. Nor does it venting frustration against the host for own failure to find a factual error on his site.
truthmonger, there’s also extensive documentation for the Flat Earth theory. Plus the Earth has always appeared to be flat with anyone with any intelligence. See:
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php
I trust then that since the government denies this, and you can’t trust the government, then it must be true?
Which aircraft were you referring to that carries HAARP/ELF equipment?
Anyway, this site it’s not about HAARP, it’s about contrails. If you’d like to either make a connection, or point out a mistake on this site, then please go ahead.
And if you can’t do either of those truthmonger, it may behoove you to think about why.
truthmonger, you said:
Tell us more about this. Do you have some links to reliable sources, or even some unreliable ones?
Oh, and I like the way you link “disinformation” and “debunker” in the same sentence.
just looking for an opinion as to what someone thinks this is.
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/47121-chemtrail-fibers-raining-on-phoenix-arizona-
So….”chemtrail fibers” falling on a day with no “chemtrails”??
How does that work?
Why not collect the “fibers” and have the sample tested?
I’m betting pollen, or some kind of seed.
The air is surprisingly dusty at the best of times, but you have to get the right lighting conditions like this to see the various motes.
Spider webs? It’s Spring over there now right? I know nothing about spider breeding, but it occurs to me that Spring is a time when lots of things hatch or are born for a good reason.
Well, it looks to me like some kind of dust in the sun beam, something that I used to see quite often, for example, inside a dusty room, when sun shines through the gap in curtains. If there is an airflow, the sunlit dust particles appear to move in one direction. In this particular case, the airflow along the roof slope might have produced the illusion of rain. But, if it was indeed rain of “fibres”, there would have been plenty of them on left the ground and other surfaces to be collected and tested. Has it been ever done?
thanks, i’ll stick withh pollen/dust as that was my opinion as well
Trying to make silver iodine seem harmless? LOL OK,
That is the reason Under the guidelines of the United States Environmental Protection Agency Clean Water Act, silver iodide is considered a hazardous substance, a priority pollutant, and a toxic pollutant.
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Let the Flaming begin………….
Anybody that uses the words “conspiracy theories” while trying to explain something, is clearly trying to hide something, Period!!
Everybody knows that!!
This is obviously a gubbermint “goon-shill” dis-info =) Anyone with half a brain cell can see this!!!
DrWons,
Does that mean everything labelled as a “conspiricy theory” is automatically true?
I have a theory, it’s of the “conspiricy” nature:
YOU SIR, ARE AN IDIOT… Everybody with half a brain cell knows this.
thanks you lie-
I may call him and thank him for a job well done.
That’s the address of NameCheap, my domain host.
The actual amount of silver iodine used is very small. Everything is toxic to some degree, but silver iodine is just your average chemical. The MDS cleanup instructions for a large spill of silver iodine are literally “Use a shovel to put the material into a convenient waste disposal container”.
IF you want to be a scaremonger, then perhaps take a look at caffeine vs. Silver Iodine:
http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927257
http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927475
Siver Iodine has an oral LD50 of 2820 mg/kg, caffeine has one of 192. That means caffeine is FIFTEEN TIMES more toxic than silver iodine. So why no outcry over its use in drinks?
that’s hilarious
I gave up caffiene about a year ago… looks like I made the right choice
Jeez…I just started using it as an aide-de-awake when I was 49…..it took me almost 50 years to be able to stand the taste of coffee…and now I have to give it up and take silver iodine instead??
Thanks for nothing youlie
😉
You lie said:
“Let the Flaming begin …”
Who is preventing you from “flaming” on this very page?
Or did you rather mean “harassing” as opposed to an actual communication exchange?
In the latter case I commend the site owner for his caution regarding whois entries. You never know what some people might be up to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWvwaOgP564
you guys are fucking idiots.
So, if chemtrails show up on weather radar, then why don’t they show up on weather radar every day?
They don’t spray everyday. But someTV weathermen do refer to it as chaff. It’s real.
Anyone who believes these worldwide grid, web patterns are contrails has to be kidding.
I’ve been looking up at California skies for 58 years. Them ain’t contrails.
Here’s the deal: If I walk up to you on the street and spray water on you, it’s harmless. BUT, it’s assault.
I don’t care what is in that crap. I don’t want it falling on me.
I also believe that I have a right to the sunshine it blocks – whatever it is.
I can’t… where do I… I mean there’s just something clearly wrong on each line of that mess…
❦ chaff has nothing to do with condensation trails.
❦ grids form when long distance flight paths inevitably cross
❦ ‘them’ are contrails (have been for 90 years)
❦ if you walk up to you on the street and spray water on you, it’s harmless, NOT assault, and irrelevant.
❦ any aerosol would take a minimum of 8 hours to fall (if ever) from cruise altitude, and by then, certainly not on you, unless you had spread yourself over 1000km in every direction
❦ natural clouds block sunshine, and you don’t mind them. Buildings on the other hand are man-made and also block sunlight, so… knock them all down? You have a ‘right’ after all…
I always thought it was weird that a govt. that couldnt fix medicare/ social security was competent enough to chemically alter us. The thought that , what, these whigs want us to all be dumb sheep? To what end?? That is the problem with these long term conspiracy theories…they do nothing to help the “evil people” right now and so cant be taken seriously. Evil people do things to benefit THEMSELVES, not their progeny. Only beneficent people do things to benefit their progeny.
It is interesting that people bring up the US Congressmen and point to their questions about chemtrails. Even if it is true, that only shows that some hysterical person convinced an uneducated congressman to ask about it in session! Just like the birther theories! I for one wish nobama WERE an alien, but he’s not. Ahh, and theres a major flaw in your theory…if people are not being dumbed down, then why did they vote for him???
And there is another problem with your explanation…how do you account for all lthe stupid people that insist on believeing the malarky even when substantial proof is offered? HMMMM??? LOL
Now, if you don’t mind, please debunk the flouride dumbing down myth. I know flouride is in nearly everything and quite bad for you, but I dont think our govt , as a unit, is smart enough to dumb us down over generations, nor do they have any reason to.
Reason and rationality have no place in a hysterical mind.
Jessica
Oh my goodness………………………………………OMG……………………………yous guys is muy LOCO!!!!!
Jessica is Estupido…………………………………..
IMPEACH OBAMA
OBAMA is a MARXIST
WAKE UP AMERICA……………………………………LABOR DEPARTMENT THIS YEAR WENT FROM 58M TO 173M PLUS…………………………………….WHY DO YOU THINK THIS IS HAPPENING.
Wow Uncinus you have taken on a monumental task. You are trying to use reason and rationality against “YOU ARE LYING OBAMA IS MARXIST”. LOL, you did a great job though, keeping your cool with all these whackjobs attacking you.
The best part is, these people will never trust what the gov’t, media or science says but show them a picture of a funny cloud and they’ll believe anything an Alex Jones tells them. It amazes how quickly and effectively this chemtrail bullshit propagates…if only real useful info would spread this far and fast. Sorry for these caps but:
IF THEY ARE SPRAYING YOU THEY ARE SPRAYING THEMSELVES…WHOEVER “THEY” ARE, READ A BOOK MORONS.
Uncinus, you certainly have patience. It’s commendable to keep telling the same facts to people who try so hard not to listen to them.
Meteorology is the devil. 🙂
Keep up the good work sir.
I appreciate your vast knowledge of aircrafts and the fact that you put so much detail into explaining the capabilities and purposes for each plane, but this doesn’t translate into your knowledge of what each craft is actually being used for. By confirming that aircraft exist which are capable of spraying liquid, you are also reinforcing the question of how they are being used. If the actual use was something classified, then you could not begin to educate anyone this.
If you stay open-minded enough to humor the idea that the planes could be used for something else which was originally intended, then you may stumble upon documentation which already indicates otherwise:
http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Chemtrails/UK.html
I’m sure citizens trusted this wasn’t occurring at the time it was happening, but as we know throughout history…. this isn’t the way it works out. We find out years down the road.
Stories like these also could also reinforce that theory:
http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Chemtrails/Witness_2.html
http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Chemtrails/Brendt.html
You already explained that a contrail can occur from one end of the horizon to the other and linger like a cloud- that this is a naturally occurring effect. So an aircraft which was intended to spray water could be used to spray something else which is potentially harmful, and your education and experience could not help you differentiate between a contrail containing chemicals and one without. Yes, contrails may drift… but, if they contained potentially harmful ingredients, those particles would land somewhere eventually. This is where measuring the levels of heavy Aluminum Oxide and metals in soil and water come into play as noted in the “what in the world are they spraying” documentary. http://www.prisonplanet.com/what-in-the-world-are-they-spraying-part-ii.html
These measurements seem to be consistent with Hughes aircraft patent which references Oxides to educe atmospheric or global warming. http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Chemtrails/Hughes.html
Health effects of Aluminum: http://www.lenntech.com/periodic/elements/al.htm which are consistent with the effects displayed in the previously mentioned documentary.
Evidence that something happened in the past is not evidence that it is happening now. We used to burn witches in America – does that mean we still do? Of course it’s POSSIBLE we burn witches, there’s just no evidence.
Anonymous accounts are meaningless without supporting evidence. Who know who wrote those accounts?
WITWATS does not demonstrate that aluminum is being sprayed. They just demonstrate they don’t know how to take samples. They basically test dirt instead of water. See:
https://contrailscience.com/what-in-the-world-are-they-spraying/
Evidence describing an intended purpose is not evidence it is currently being used for it. Past evidence that planes were used for spraying harmful chemicals is merely an eye opener that it could be currently happening… but, you would of also disagreed during the time period which it did happen.
You failed to address many points:
the Hughes aircraft patent for spraying Oxides in the air to combat global warming, the fact that Oxide particles will eventually settle to ground/Aluminum Oxides are toxic (result on health is a no-brainer), that your education and experience doesn’t enable you differentiate between a contrail and one that could contain Aluminum Oxide… and yes, they tested dirt… Again, please read this http://www.lenntech.com/periodic/elements/al.htm and note this “High concentrations of aluminum may not only be found in acidified lakes and air, but also in the groundwater of acidified soils. There are strong indications that aluminum can damage the roots of trees when it is located in groundwater.” Regardless, It sounds like you know a lot about the correct means of testing harmful particles that land on ground and water. So, Please suggest which testing and measuring methods are legitimate enough for you to consider- I’m sure someone out there will gladly take you up on it.
Yes, anonymous accounts are hard to take as credible, which is why I said “‘could’ also reinforce that theory”… they could be discounted.
When I say they tested dirt, I don’t mean they deliberately test dirt. I mean they unintentionally tested dirt. There are several examples.
https://contrailscience.com/what-in-the-world-are-they-spraying/
They should test actual falling rainwater in multiple identical containers, some of which they fill with distilled water and half of which the allow to be filled with rain. They should perform test samples both as the rain starts, and after ten minutes, all with clean containers.
This is all to eliminate dust contamination. That’s basic science, but they made vastly more stupid mistakes. Like testing pond sludge (page 1) , or the dirt in “dried up puddles” (page 16), or just plain testing soil (page 17), and then comparing the results to the levels you would expect in drinking water.
Dirt is 7% aluminum.
https://contrailscience.com/files/chemtrails_basic_lab_report.pdf
““High concentrations of aluminum may not only be found in acidified lakes and air, but also in the groundwater of acidified soils. There are strong indications that aluminum can damage the roots of trees when it is located in groundwater.””
This is not news – aluminium in acidified soil is a major source of infertility world wide, and has been forever – there are reports on this sit noting it as far back as 1920 – long before there were significant numbers of persistent contrails.
However aluminium soils are simply not evidence of anything being “sprayed” at 30,000 feet – what would be evidence of something being sprayed at 30,000 feet would be a sample from a contrail itself.
Why don’t chemtrail believers organise to get some sampling done??
Let us say that there is no such thing as “chemtrails” at all. Let us say that they are”obviously nonsense” as you so nicely stated. I, at the very least, do not want every beautiful blue sky to be turned into a messy and gloomy haze from “persistent contrails” or “chemtrails.” I cannot remember the last time I had a clear blue sky. Why don’t we question that?
People do. Most people don’t though. It’s probably as important in people’s minds as the problem of freeway billboards. It bothers some people more than others.
Testing the rain in the fashion you suggested is a good idea, but taking samples from the actual contrail would be fascinating- I wonder how this can be achieved? Just flying a plane into the contrail after it’s dispersed? What equipment would be required? Seems like it would look very similar to the picture of the plane above: “research aircraft, registration N701BN”.
Pretty much. There are also companies that do airborne sampling, like Weather Modification, Inc.
http://www.weathermodification.com/environmental-monitoring.php
Clear blue skies do happen regularly. You just need the right rate of humidity and the contrails will not persist. Some days will have more contrails, others will not. Where I am today there are no contrails (and no cirrus either), a nice blue sky, albeit there are some clouds.
Contrail persist for 10-30 seconds behind the plane no matter the altitude or time of the year humidity or whatever the conditions in stratosphere.
CHEMTRAIL PERSIST UP TO 4-6 hours in the stratosphere.Who is paying you to misguide the people?And run this blog?I am Photographer for the past 20 years and going back just 10 years in my photos in Canada I noticed a trails left by the planes that does not dissipate in the air.Also I noticed the pattern how the actual Geo-Engineering is shaping a climate.This year is COLDER and last year was no exception.This is the deal.First thing in the morning heavy spraying that traps moisture,than continuing spraying with different agent to block the sun to protect making of the clouds.Than just simple maintenance of the open BLUE patches in the sky that need to be sealed with occasional flight that will spray ONLY that patch, you can clearly see nozzle open and closed…
So you see 10-30 second contrails behind aircraft at all altitides? when they are taking off and landing for example??
Really??
I occasionally see them – but they are invariably aerodynamic ones off teh ends of flaps usually – not from jet engines.
will, It is a well known fact that in an ice-saturated environment, contrails, once formed, do persist and don’t dissipate quickly like they do in dryer conditions. They eventually form cirrus and behave like any other high cloud.
Contrail cirrus is avoidable. Here is some research http://elib.dlr.de/52345/1/ceas-2007-709.pdf
about “How to Avoid Contrail Cirrus”.
This one is even better… http://www.benthamscience.com/open/toascj/articles/V002/1TOASCJ.pdf
A Review of Various Strategies for Contrail Avoidance
It fully describes all about contrail formation and why some dissipate and some don’t. If you read that, you might totally change your ideas about the “trails in the sky” problem.
mikeC you are ignorant…there is FOOTAGE on you tube where airplane TURNS OFF nozzle and TURN ON nozzle it was traveling on the same altitude, and so close to the passenger plane where people was filming this.I do not dispute occasional experiments by NASA from beginning of this tread but every day bombardment of the chemicals in the sky is somewhat bold attempt to control the climate, in spite of health risk associated with it. If I had a money to charter a Jet to monitor and film this bastards and to collect samples and ultimately bring them justice.We all need to mobilize and collect information from where, when and by whom this is done…against our will.Explain to me on e thing.Why is when Obama comes to visit NY there is no chem-planes flying that day? July 4 2010 was a beautiful sunny day,Do you know why we had amazing non chem day? Because independence day that is celebrated by military…in the USA (Canada is part of NATO and US military flight do have OPEN SKY to shit on us in Canada).Here is that video AIRPLANE DID NOT CHANGE ALTITUDE.Amen! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QFlH_E1N_s&feature=related U are seriously here to dispute, and to sidetrack all GOOD and concerned people (unlike you).
I believe that you are a big chemtrail SMEAR blogger…payed by US government to deceive and confuse what people are seeing everyday.
@will investigate … you didn’t read that reference I gave you.
That video you gave the link to is discussed on this site here https://contrailscience.com/fake-hoax-chemtrail-videos/ It is the first of several “fake” chemtrail videos.
No chemtrails when Obama’s in town. Yeah, right!
I’d love to see the Tui board that says that! LOL
“I believe that you are a big chemtrail SMEAR blogger…payed by US government to deceive and confuse what people are seeing everyday.”
Of course you do. He disagreed with you. So he must be.
You expect to tell me the sky is green and I have to believe it. Yeah Right !
I would tell you it’s green if I had the evidence to. I don’t- so I won’t. There is, however, plenty of evidence against chemtrils here.
Sometimes it is green:
Zing!!!
“I believe that you are a big chemtrail SMEAR blogger…payed by US government to deceive and confuse what people are seeing everyday.”
I dont’ live in het USA, let alone be paid by the US Govt 🙁
And how do you nw othe sprays weer “turned” on and off, rathe than the aircraft merely passing through areas with different conditions??
You guys are so full of shit I can smell you over the internet.When the man is done with most of us he wants to get rid of eventually he gets rid of those who did his dirty work also.(the history of man!)
It’s laughable this site! What a waste of effort, you only probably convinced a few slave like morons who won’t look in the sky when you point at a chem trail being dumped. Here’s my assessment, there are no photos of any chem trail on this site, ergo it’s not trying to explain in a critical manner what people are talking about, even if chem trails weren’t real this is the last place one would go to find out that little tidbit and sift through the piles of redundant protoplasm perpetual propaganda only to find out that it’s written by someone who starts the article with a dismissive insult. I got a dismissive insult for you, if you don’t believe in chem trails is like believing that politicians never lie. Vinny Eastwood “The Vinny Eastwood Show” http://www.thevinnyeastwoodshow.com wwwguerillamedia.co.nz http://www.youtube.com/mrnewsguerillamedia
Up until recently I had never heard of chemtrails, I do believe that goverments & businesses do things to injurious to the planets wellbeing & hide the truth for political or financial gain. However I cannot believe that they would use such an obvious hit & miss approach & for what? In my humble opinion if such things are more than natural phenomana then they are probably down to human behaviour in our “normal” daily rape of the planet.
Vinny Eastwood says there are no photos of chemtrails on this site – and yet many of the photos here seem to closely resemble those he was saying are “chemtrails” in his public demonstration in Auckland, New Zealand, a few days ago – http://chemtrailsnorthnz.wordpress.com/2011/07/16/demonstration-against-chemtrails-on-queen-street-auckland-today/ – note the billowing white clouds coming from the back of jet aircraft at his demo – there’s quite a lot of photos of those on this site too.
So – Vinny – how is it that we should know chetmrails from contrails and natural clouds please?
you are full of it bud
I think Steven Ballard’s comment is directed at Vinny Eastwood.
This is entirely consistent with the first of two videos about the “Demonstration Against Chemtrails”
http://chemtrailsnorthnz.wordpress.com/2011/07/16/demonstration-against-chemtrails-on-queen-street-auckland-today/
Ross, I could only stomach 2 minutes 20 seconds of the Vinnie Eastwood “Demonstration”
In that time, he was able to claim that barium was radioactive, and that TWA airlines was
somehow responsible.
Number one, TWA has not existed since 2001.
Number 2, barium is used a a shield from radioactivity, it does not become radioactive.
Barium sulphate, the most common form of barium, is radiopaque.
That’s right Jay. It’s said that only 80% of people who start that video get to the 2:00 mark. It is just too hard to listen to and watch the lies and insincerity. I don’t think Vinny actually believes the chemtrail explanation for the trails. He knows it’s bunk. I think this is true of many of the “activist” leaders.
Uncinus,
You are incredibly patient. Thanks for taking the time to refute this conspiracy theory step by step (and to patiently repeat yourself ad nauseam in the comments section for those conspiracy theorists super-keen to pen their beliefs but who clearly hadn’t read through the debunking information first).
A more profitable use of time for the “believers” here may be a good google search for “psychology of conspiracy theories” to understand what might be the root psychological cause of their willingness to believe in a “vast, insidious, preternaturally effective international conspiratorial network designed to perpetrate acts of the most fiendish character.” (Hofstadter 1966).
“Conspiratorial accounts can be emotionally satisfying when they place events in a readily understandable, moral context. The subscriber to the theory is able to assign moral responsibility to a clearly conceived group of individuals. Crucially, that group does NOT include the believer. The believer may then feel excused of any responsibility for remedying whatever institutional or societal flaw might be their actual source of their own dissonance.”
Although I won’t hold my breath. No doubt they’ll write off any ‘uncomfortable’ findings as a conspiracy theory to debunk conspiracy theorists.
Anyway, hats off to you Uncinus, and keep up the good work.
Darth you might find this an interesting read: http://www.newint.org/features/2011/03/01/polyp-conspiracy-theories/
Hello unicus,
While I value your opinion on this matter and do appreciate your patience in trying to clear this matter up. First off, a little background on myself: I am a former marine recon black operations operator and now I am a commercial pilot. There are lots of unanswered questions that have yet to be answered even from a laymans perspective such as: WHY DO THE CHEMTRAILS ALWAYS START AND END OVER EVERY MAJOR CITY/SMALL TOWN? WHY DO I NOTICE THAT SOME PLANES LEAVE A CHEMTRAIL AND A CONTRAIL SIMULTANEOUSLY (2 TRAILS)? WHY DO SOME AIRCRAFT AT THE SAME ALTITUDE LEAVE A CONTRAIL WHILE SOME LEAVE A CHEMTRAIL? WHY ARE CHEMTRAILS DIFFERENT COLORS FROM CONTRAILS? WHY WERE CHEMTRAILS NOT OBSERVED IN THE SKY FOR ABOUT 2 MONTHS AFTER THE GULF OIL SPILL DISASTER? WHY ARE CHEMTRAILS USUALLY NOT PRESENT ON SUNDAYS? WHY ARE THEY OBSERVED ON AIRCRAFT FLYING AT AROUND 20,000 FEET ALTITUDE? Like I said, I am a commercial pilot who flys high flying jets for a living, any info you could provide would be very helpful in dispelling any myths that i have floating around in my head. Maybe I’m just an idiot???
I have never met a professional pilot who believed in chemtrails.
Plus- I highly doubt a former “black ops” operator would use that fact to establish credibility.
So i don’t believe you. But if Uncinus wants to answer your questions which (by the way) all look like typical chemtrail propaganda based questions then I’m sure he will.
I suspect that’s an aerodynamic contrail, and an exhaust contrail together. But can you perhaps post a photo so we can be sure to be talking about the same thing?
So, why would you guys waste your time trying to dispell chemtrail “myths”. Seems like a huge waste of time to me trying to dissuade tin foil hat wearers from believing anything, wouldnt you agree? Smells like poop to me… anyways, i mentioned the black side operations experience because usually people with clearances will speak to others with clearances and I met a guy who is a contractor out at edwards whom confirmed my chemtrail “myths”. What exactly is an aerodynamic contrail? The one trail will dissipate while the other lingers for hours sometimes. The evidence towards chemtrails is overwhelming and irrefutable as far as im concerned, you guys keep denieng it for some strange reason and I cant figure out why. Maybe you should be wearing the tin foil hats?? You guys have zero credibility as far as im concerned…
So you claim you’re a commercial pilot and you don’t even know what an aerodynamic contrail is? Seriously?
Jamie, I suspect the answer to pretty much all of your questions is “that did not happen”. If you think it actually did happen, then please show some evidence.
I used to live in rural australia, c/trails happen in the middle of nowhere, not just over big citie…….oh what the hell am I doing you idiots have sucked me into trying to make you realise you’re all a bunch of wankers, hey here’s an idea, let’s do something productive and design a better mouse trap……seeya!
Jamie wrote: “WHY DO THE CHEMTRAILS ALWAYS START AND END OVER EVERY MAJOR CITY/SMALL TOWN?”
This is a new one.
Jamie, who told you that?
Among all teh other statements of fact without support this one intrigues me:
WHY ARE CHEMTRAILS DIFFERENT COLORS FROM CONTRAILS?
Dunno – I’ve never actually seen a video of a supposed chemtrail that was anything other than a white contrail so I’d love to see some evidence tha this is actuall ythe case. If true it would certainly make spotting chemtails a lot easier.
Unless you are including airshow coloured smoke and/or red fire retardant as chemtrails??
There are far too many “the governments out to get me” people in the United States. The problem is trusting the people that keep us the free people we are. Remember nothing is for free! Are you willing to say that the government has never secretly tested on civilians? If so you need a history lesson. There is much more evidence that points to chemtrails as opposed to contrails. Yes, humidity, temperature, altitude does play a major role in forming contrails but they dont so much in chemtrails. A chemtrail can be formed at high and/or low altitudes. Dont attempt to say they cant I know for FACT they do. Where I live chemtrails are a way of life. There’s not more than a day without chemtrails dusk till dawn. I’ve seen them take off and seen them land. Witnessed multiple planes turning on and off chemtrails in specific spots for hours causing an amazing cloud. I could go on all day over evidence and I’m sure your going to always say the same thing and thats fine, Just dont be so quick to assume that there isn’t the smallest possibility that you maybe even a little bit incorrect. Do your own research, look outside, keep looking outside! You dont have to be a conspiracy theorist to acknowledge chemtrails you just have to look at all your evidence. I look at things to debunk them, I’m about as far from a C.T.as you can get. Im still trying to debunk this one but I just cant seem to find that link that does it.
Ehm, he’s done the research. If you think he is wrong, maybe it’d be a good idea for you to argue the concrete evidence on a scientific basis and not just handwave it away.
Sarah,
you said: “You dont have to be a conspiracy theorist to acknowledge chemtrails you just have to look at all your evidence”.
What evidence are you referring to? What you are observing yourself or what you saw and heard on YouTube and chemtrail-promoting sites?
How do you know that what you are watching daily are in fact NOT contrails? How can you tell the difference? Are you sure you are not biased by what the CT promoters told you?
Later you said: “Im still trying to debunk this one but I just cant seem to find that link that does it.”
Fortunately, you have come to the right spot. I’d venture to say that nearly every specific issue you might bring up is discussed and explained in one of the numerous articles.
I think all the chemtrail believers want everyone to keep looking outside because they’re afraid that anything else might reveal the truth. It’s like burying your head in the clouds.
Sarah wrote:
“A chemtrail can be formed at high and/or low altitudes. Dont attempt to say they cant I know for FACT they do. Where I live chemtrails are a way of life. There’s not more than a day without chemtrails dusk till dawn. I’ve seen them take off and seen them land”
Sarah seems to have all the answers. Now, if she culd actually provide evidence for what she claims but doesn’t show evidence for, she would be holding the ‘Holy Grail’, the part that all chemtrail believers would simply LOVE to have. Let’s run down her list:
-she can see and therefore photograph chemtrails all day, dusk to dawn every day.
-she can see the same planes that leave chemtrails land and take off, so presumably she can identify them by photographs, and so can we from those same photographs.
-she can see them at low altitudes, something that no one else can do, so she can definitely show us some photos, since she sees them all day dusk to dawn.
Sarah, I’d say that either you’ve got Pulitzer Prize winning documentation to present, or you are exagerrating, at best. I’m not holding my breath, but I do encourage you to show what you think you have. You can upload files right here to show everyone. But I doubt that you will. Been there and done that.
Jay
Sarah won’t be back. Post and run and claim her victory. Plus I’ve heard this story before. Maybe her only camera is a cell phone and it doesn’t take good photos at night or whatever excuse she can find.
I have a couple of queries, why? What possible reason would a government (US, UK, EU, Asian, Russian, etc.) spend MILLIONS of Dollars, Deutchmarks, Euros, Pesetas, Rubles, Yen, Rupee or whatever, on something as diverse as this? G.M. foods? Increased gas or petroleum products? World domination? Population control? The latter is a bit of a laugh, as the population is spiralling out of control in most countries. I have a ‘pal’ who is convinced that contrails or chemtrails are real but I am not convinced by anything that comes up here. I haven’t seen one piece of concrete evidence on any site yet. The one thing that most of you guys and gals don’t do, is research, that should bring something to the fore, surely? Reminds me of other strange little things that people claimed to have seen flying through the air but, apart from some blurry, out of focus photos and video’s, nothing concrete again.
Surely all or most of you should hav better things to do, other than wasting your time on this site?
God save me from you guys ever getting into politics…
contrailscience.com = DISINFO
I’m sure we’d all be interested in you pointing out which specific paragraphs on this website you think are “disinfo”. Do you think the explanations of the basic laws of perspective are wrong?
The septemberclues website has some very novel ideas about perspective.
Perhaps it is the references to laspe rate or aircraft navigation?
Is it the suggestion that airliners fly in holding patterns you believe is “disinfo”?
We know Rosalind Peterson regularly claims passenger jets don’t fly in holding patterns or they’d use too much fuel.
I think everyone would most probably like you to expand on your statement so that you can justify your “disinfo” claim with specifics.
Or perhaps you are really more interested in attracting people to the septemberclues website to click on the “donate” button ?
September Clues website centres around the ridiculous idea – and unashamedly insulting – that 911 was not only a coverup, but that it did nit actually happen. apparently all footage was doctored or created my cgi, and the casualties only ever existed ‘on paper’.
If September Clues can’t see that 911 did actually happen they gave no chance of discerning the veracity of the peer-reviewed, experimentally repeatable, scientific evidence anywhere in this site.
They demonstrably lack the capacity for rationality.
I wouldn’t put it that way. It’s more like they demonstrable have a large capacity for irrationality.
It’s quite possible for people to hold both rational and irrational ideas at the same time. Many people have beliefs in the more supernatural aspects of religion (and the supernatural in general), and yet are capable of being rational in other areas – like the physical sciences.
Of course given the overlap that 9/11 and Chemtrail conspiracies tend to have, it’s pretty safe to say that September Clues has already decided to dismiss any arguments here.
Uncinus i think you have done a great job explaining to these idiots I’ve got frustrated just reading some of the stupid comments some of these people make and none have any evidence for their stupid claims i mean seriously “the government is trying to poison us” which government these CONtrails happen all over the world and most of them, there only proof is a useless photo or youtube video that would only be believed by another idiot like them.
anyway don’t want to keep going on just wanted to share this this is what most of the comments remind me of wouldn’t surprise me if any of them know her
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8
Great site; it explains a great deal that i could never find evidence for. Thanks for providing not ammo, but facts to counter the crap being tossed about by ‘chemtrail experts’.
Ever wonder, though… is there a true ‘chemtrail conspiracy’ out there? Why are so many ignoring facts in favour of the chemtrail story? Perhaps the one out to get something from this isn’t ‘The Man’, but ‘The Other Man’… who benefits from this continued hysteria?
weirdo, once in a while there is a reflecting discussion among the commenters about this “hysteria”. Here is an incomplete little list of conclusions – additions welcome:
+ The human brain is predisposed to connect dots – independent of reality
+ Most conspiracy theories explain accidents away – a big plan (even an evil one) is better than chaos
+ The rise of the Internet made it easy to spread bunk – and conspiracy bunk is exciting
+ People tend to pick Internet sources that reinforce their opinions and believes
+ Believers find it attractive to be part of a “knowing elite” and shield themselves against reasoning
+ Media tend to overamplify fringe views – for the sake of balance or to stir up controversy
Benefitting from conspiracy hypes are certainly the “lower half” of the media businesses and of course the professional promoters of these theories. They don’t have to struggle in any way though; they can build upon the fundamentals mentioned in the list.
How to destroy planes that are against us. — Why they don’t poison the head of the elite group, by air, water or food?
How the military can accept what mr. henry kissinger said: “military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.”
“psychology of conspiracy theories”
Are we to believe that there are no conspiracies? If that is not the case, then what are we to believe when a conspiracy is suspected with supporting, not yet conclusive, evidence? Lumping all conspiracy theories together isn’t really any better than those who claim that the dumping of chemtrails is “common sense” that we can see with our own eyes. Fact is, there ARE a lot of nefarious movers and shakers in government and corporations. The goal should be to ferret out what’s true and what isn’t without prejudice. There will undoubtedly be SOME bias depending on our personal experiences, familiarity with available evidence, and other factors, but dismissing “conspiracy theories” is naive imo.
Someone posted a comment asking why “chemtrails” turn on and off over cities, towns, and villages. I won’t hold my breath for proof of this, but I’ll note that on my annual vacations to the Gulf coast of Florida, most of the whatever-trails I see are smack dab over the water. Additionally, at 51 years old and an avid sky watcher since when I was a kid in the 60s, I very clearly remember seeing persistent contrails lasting for long periods of time.
No we are not to believe there are no conspiracies. There are many for which there is ample evidence – “organised crime”, price-fixing by groups of companies, illicit lobbying of Govt, bribery & blackmail of all sorts, illegal waste disposal – there are thousands, perhaps millions going on right now.
But the fact that there are multitudinous other conspiracies that do exist is not actually evidence that any other given conspiracy exists.
When we have “supporting but not conclusive” evidence of a conspiracy we should examine that evidence, and if it is found to be almost entirely bunk we should conclude that there is no substance to the conspiracy.
That’s exactly what I’m saying MikeC.
Oh…sorry!!
i “believe” a lot of “conspiracy theories” (i.e. gov’t involvement in 9/11, extreme political involvement in mass media coverage and ownership, institutional / commercial / gov’t silencing of new paradigm science, big pharm cover-ups of biomedical science, gov’t censorship of e.t.’s / ufo’s / physics phenomena, etc.) …the term conspiracy theory was coined to discourage institutional analysis; simply put: a free-thinking populous does not make good cattle. everybody knows that. but the “theories” mentioned above, smoking gun or not, have substance in terms of hard data that is relatively easy to provide (as in evidence).
unfortunately, with chemtrails, the data is just not there.
i wouldn’t put it past any governmental structure to run secretive programs that spray chemicals in the sky, but those are the kinds of claims you have to have proof of before you parade your beliefs about them around the internet or anywhere else. otherwise you’ll just be involuntarily forfeiting your credibility. it’s like people buy into something, suggest major implications, and then once they’re called out on their “knowledge,” THAT’s when the bulk of their actual research begins. that kind of research produces biased, one-sided and ill-informed results, because you’re trying to prove something you claimed instead of trying to get to the bottom of the truth.
a good friend of mine always said: don’t take a $π!† ’til you know you can wipe your @$$.
when it comes to claims of authoritative secrecy, that’s especially great advice to live by.
First off, I really find this optical illusion to be a joke. I see so many videos of ppl standing, what appears to be under these contrails, and a few seconds later see them running in circles picking up particles on the ground and calling it poison. I am not claiming to know if in fact that somebody is or is not poisoning the human race with airplanes, car exhaust or camp fire smoke, but what I see so many people video taping is airplanes actually over a mile away from their heads and the wind blowing their hair opposite the direction that they are chasing their tail and seconds later, they go to the ground and pick up something white and small…of course they look for what feeds the frenzy, and scream poison. These ppl are also calling these pilots murderers before they understand the truth. The Fema Bus will be rolling by at some point and collecting the humans but until then…show me some samples drawn from the air before, during and then after without edits involved. It takes money to buy this kind of equipment that will prove your theory. We can’t call it what we choose without proper examinations. Who knows what could have been on the ground already. These fanatics that are claiming that these pilots are helping to kill people are actually creating a dangerous situation for some poor pilot who has no idea that somebody may be trying to take revenge out on them based on somebodies assumption of spreading poison on ppl.
These fanatics who are claiming these facts need to start owning their words because there is always somebody out there who is far crazier then he. This is a dangerous assumption. If you truly have proof that somebody is spraying poison over the playgrounds of our childrens schools….then this proof is all thats needed to go to the principle of that school and the mayor of that town and to the police department. Don’t just spread around the video’s and point your finger here and there….do something with your evidence.
concerned in pasadena
“airplanes actually over a mile away from their heads”
Thats a good point Michelle- but at 36K ft its actually more like 6 miles away…and thats if its straight up.
I find it somewhat mystifying that people think they can smell or taste or see material from a trail that far away almost immediately after “spraying”…
@SR1419
Your right, it’s just made up stuff. Any small particulate matter emitted from planes 6 miles up is not going to reach the ground directly below it, EVER. Wind currents and thermals are going to carry anything EVERYWHERE. Anything emitted from a plane would be miles away over an extremely large area.
I’m thinking about making a youtube account, making a bunch of chemtrail videos, getting their attention, making friends with them, ‘making evidence’, and then just tell everyone of them it was a joke and everything is made up. It probably won’t make them disbelieve chemtrails, but it would prevent other people believing in that crap.
Uncinus the year is 2011 of November, the DOD released docs stating the chemtrail program is real, your info is surely outdated and as well your Dis-Info in all the comments, time to crawl out of your cave and look outside, they are spraying Heavily, the list of toxins is overwhelming and killing lots of animals, sickness in stray dogs and cats are horrendous, Inform the Truth and not the Lies which you are being paid well to tell
Nice pictures too bad it’s all misleading, theres too many government shills in here posting to misinform the zombies, and the zombies buy your lies, COMICAL and PATHETIC 🙂 🙁
Oh and they are spraying this shit from the ground also, there’s no escape you mindless zombies, you non believers are going to die soon like the rest of us, Most nuclear power plants are being comprimised, so forget about the Chemtrails and get down to business as to protect from radiation, chemtrails are just adding to the radiation, Fuck all these stupid Shills commenting you can tell these are made up names/handles and are working for the government or nasa, who gives a shit all the comments are all out LIES, don’t believe anything here, all BS
It ends here NOW, Delete this POS disinfo site, did you copy paste all your comments from elsewhere LOL
Hi sumstuff46,
Can you post a link to the DOD docs that state the chemtrail program is real?
And if there’s any mistakes here, let me know where they are, and I’ll correct them.
“+ The human brain is predisposed to connect dots – independent of reality”
While chemtrail theorists see planes spraying in the dots, I see Bsa Gold Stars.
sumstuff46, you accuse people of using “madeup names/handles”?
Just exactly who is sumstuff46, a madeup name/handle right?
gotta love-em!
Poor guy, that sumstuff46, there are lots like him. Is this already an illness, ot still a psychologigc phenomenon?