Why Planes Make Vapor Trails
11 comments Monday 08 Feb 2010 | Uncinus | contrails
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To quote someone, please use <blockquote> and </blockquote> tags, for example:
<blockquote>But surely the contrails would evaporate?
How do you explain that, given those facts?</blockquote>
Excellent find Uncinus, classic!
If you think that’s an excellent find, debunk the congressional documents calling for Solar Radiation Management by deploying Stratospheric sulfate into the atmosphere using Jet aircraft or “marine cloud whitening”. Very interesting indeed but you’d probebly agree with the statement that the miltary would NEVER experiment on us, right? Read it:
http://democrats.science.house.gov/Media/File/Commdocs/hearings/2010/Energy/4feb/Hearing_Charter.pdf
It’s always amazing that people think that discussing climate modification is something new. It’s been discussed for many decades, and never at any point has there been any evidence that people are actually doing it
In fact there’s a large number of possible methods discussed in the paper, there’s no evidence that ANY of them have ever been tried. Even if you just narrow it down to stratospheric sulfate injection, there’s at least five methods: “sprays from aircraft, land-based guns, rockets, manmade chimneys, and aerial balloons” – none of which have ever been attempted.
Why then do you think this give credence to the “chemtrail” theory? Do you have any actual evidence that the trails are different? Any increase in acid rain? Any increase in airborne sulfates?
Where’s the evidence?
@Uncinus….
You’re no protagonist! You think you’re “just some dude”.
NO, this site has an agenda….
which is COUNTER to mine.
Thats why we have an issue.
You LIKE pollution.
You get off on it!
Contrails are Artificial Clouds!
And you LIKE THEM. Lets be perfectly blunt about that.
I DO NOT like them.
that is the difference here. You LIKE pollution. I dont!
AND you believe that “if you do not have any evidence” then that means its not happening!!!
Wow. thats how little children are fooled!
That is a logical fallacy Unicinus.
If weather modification projects are underway but Uncinus doesnt get the memo, does that make them
magically stop happening?
no.
you’re an idiot. a gullable pollution loving willfully ignorant west side asshole.
Shit you probably live in OC.
Do you think If I went out on the street today and interviewed everyone I could about
the USS Liberty Incident that they would know what I was referring to?
No? how come UNCINUS?
Surely you know about this OLD news?
Well its totally declassified!
Why wouldnt people know about what is perfectly available?
So dont use that pathetically tired and weak argument “just because there are an infinite number of ‘weather modification’ plans/projects/tests/bills/patents….doesnt mean anything is going on”…
thats insulting.
but expected from a pollution loving asshole like yourself! right?
Well, no I don’t like pollution at all. I don’t think many people do. I think it would be great if planes could fly without emissions. I’d prefer there to be no contrails if possible. I think they are essentially visual pollution.
But I’m interested in them, and they do sometimes look quite pretty.
You know, a proposed pollution free plane would use hydrogen as fuel. The only emission would be water. That would produce bigger and longer lasting contrails. Would you not prefer that to the current situation?
Now, of course there could be covert climate modification projects going on. But the point I’m making here is that there is zero evidence of those project. Yet the “chemtrail” theorists claim that there is evidence.
If you want to get all logical, then you could reduce my claim to “there is no evidence to support the chemtrail theory”.
So, let’s go with that. Do you agree or disagree with the above statement? If you disagree, then what is the evidence?
Yes- please post some evidence. But please don’t post any links to youtube videos.
I will now translate what you have stated:
I think that contrails are visual pollution and I’d rather there be none,in fact I’d like there to be no emissions from planes.
CTYF:
Oh, so we should ground all the planes? COOL! Lets give it a shot.
(or realistically….are you PRINCIPLED or a TOOL IN A SYSTEM?)
I think you’re a tool. And most people are sheeple. And if
there isnt anything to this whole “chemtrail” issue…then theres plenty of other things to
haarp on about. Yes, I do mean what is referred to as a NWO.
Oh really UNCINUS? well, you’ll have hundreds to look at which will keep you busy and baffled as to the nuances
of their “benign” creation.
Wow UNCINUS, what part of “covert” did you not understand when you were learning your 3rd grade vocabulary?
wow, just wow.
Which chemtrail theorists? Is there one kind? heck, Theres all kinds! just like christians and white people and minerals…shit man we could go on forever right?
UNCINUS, what is this “chemtrail theory”?
You’d have to define it before I could disagree with it!
All I do is document the skies and make reference to plenty of information pertinent to weather modification/manipulation/ELF Ionospheric /experimental blah blah blah…..
how many times must I go over it?
Let me get back to my fun ass life for a second and you’ll get all yer pretty weathermodification pics
to debunk as time rolls on.
And yes..you bet i’ll be documenting ALL SUMMER!
LA CRIMES spraydays.
Okay, now let’s say there are bad people in power who naturally would do something.
Why specifically THIS?
There must be some evidence to make you suspect this in particular. What evidence? Why don’t you think they are poisoning the water supply? Of the food chain? Why not subliminal message on TV? Why not reptilian overlords? Why THIS theory in particular?
Surely there must be SOME evidence that makes you think that contrails are being deliberately modified?
Why is it that so many people “believe” that contrails are “visible pollution”. As if the long white trail we see is long and white BECAUSE of the pollutants. The funny thing is, if all air traffic were to avoid the conditions that would cause the water vapor from the exhaust to freeze, no one would even SEE 90% of the planes, nevermind complain about the pollution they create.
It’s hilarious how so many ignore the billions of sources of pollution at ground level and focus on airplanes simply because they “think” the long, white, long-lasting trails are a visual representation of how much pollution the plane is creating…which just isn’t true.
Of all the ways to move hundreds of people from one end of the country to another, air travel is the most efficient, and least polluting (unless they are walking), yet hardly anyone questions the inefficiency of MILLIONS of people driving to work and back, ALONE, in gas guzzling SUV’s.
It’s just the LOOK of the skies that sets these people off…yet there is absolutely NO evidence to support an “intentional spray program”, to manipulate weather or kill people or whatever…. It’s sheer paranoid speculation.
The trails persist because water vapor from the jet engines contact saturated and very cold air. On the days (and in the areas of the atmosphere) where these conditions don’t exist, trails won’t persist. End of story.
“In fact there’s a large number of possible methods discussed in the paper, there’s no evidence that ANY of them have ever been tried.”
Wow you are 100% wrong! Check your premises because contradictions do not exist. You will find that one of them is always wrong. In this case it is yours!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Popeye
The paper discusses methods of countering global warming, including increasing the amount of cloud cover worldwide.
Operation Popeye was cloud seeding to create rain in highly localized places, using technology that has been used for decades.
Two entirely different things. None of the actual methods described in the paper have ever been used.