Popular Science, March 1943. Page 55.
While this applies to 1943 planes, it should also be noted that the exact same mechanisms are responsible for contrails from modern jet aircraft. Jet engines burn fuel that is essentially the same kind of chemical as used by old prop planes. They produce water vapor, and a contrail can result if the weather is right. If the weather aloft is humid, then the contrail can persist for several hours.
Excellent find Uncinus, classic!
If you think that’s an excellent find, debunk the congressional documents calling for Solar Radiation Management by deploying Stratospheric sulfate into the atmosphere using Jet aircraft or “marine cloud whitening”. Very interesting indeed but you’d probebly agree with the statement that the miltary would NEVER experiment on us, right? Read it:
http://democrats.science.house.gov/Media/File/Commdocs/hearings/2010/Energy/4feb/Hearing_Charter.pdf
It’s always amazing that people think that discussing climate modification is something new. It’s been discussed for many decades, and never at any point has there been any evidence that people are actually doing it
In fact there’s a large number of possible methods discussed in the paper, there’s no evidence that ANY of them have ever been tried. Even if you just narrow it down to stratospheric sulfate injection, there’s at least five methods: “sprays from aircraft, land-based guns, rockets, manmade chimneys, and aerial balloons” – none of which have ever been attempted.
Why then do you think this give credence to the “chemtrail” theory? Do you have any actual evidence that the trails are different? Any increase in acid rain? Any increase in airborne sulfates?
Where’s the evidence?
@Uncinus….
You’re no protagonist! You think you’re “just some dude”.
NO, this site has an agenda….
which is COUNTER to mine.
Thats why we have an issue.
You LIKE pollution.
You get off on it!
Contrails are Artificial Clouds!
And you LIKE THEM. Lets be perfectly blunt about that.
I DO NOT like them.
that is the difference here. You LIKE pollution. I dont!
AND you believe that “if you do not have any evidence” then that means its not happening!!!
Wow. thats how little children are fooled!
That is a logical fallacy Unicinus.
If weather modification projects are underway but Uncinus doesnt get the memo, does that make them
magically stop happening?
no.
you’re an idiot. a gullable pollution loving willfully ignorant west side asshole.
Shit you probably live in OC.
Do you think If I went out on the street today and interviewed everyone I could about
the USS Liberty Incident that they would know what I was referring to?
No? how come UNCINUS?
Surely you know about this OLD news?
Well its totally declassified!
Why wouldnt people know about what is perfectly available?
So dont use that pathetically tired and weak argument “just because there are an infinite number of ‘weather modification’ plans/projects/tests/bills/patents….doesnt mean anything is going on”…
thats insulting.
but expected from a pollution loving asshole like yourself! right?
Well, no I don’t like pollution at all. I don’t think many people do. I think it would be great if planes could fly without emissions. I’d prefer there to be no contrails if possible. I think they are essentially visual pollution.
But I’m interested in them, and they do sometimes look quite pretty.
You know, a proposed pollution free plane would use hydrogen as fuel. The only emission would be water. That would produce bigger and longer lasting contrails. Would you not prefer that to the current situation?
Now, of course there could be covert climate modification projects going on. But the point I’m making here is that there is zero evidence of those project. Yet the “chemtrail” theorists claim that there is evidence.
If you want to get all logical, then you could reduce my claim to “there is no evidence to support the chemtrail theory”.
So, let’s go with that. Do you agree or disagree with the above statement? If you disagree, then what is the evidence?
Yes- please post some evidence. But please don’t post any links to youtube videos.
I think it would be great if planes could fly without emissions. I’d prefer there to be no contrails if possible. I think they are essentially visual pollution.
I will now translate what you have stated:
I think that contrails are visual pollution and I’d rather there be none,in fact I’d like there to be no emissions from planes.
CTYF:
Oh, so we should ground all the planes? COOL! Lets give it a shot.
(or realistically….are you PRINCIPLED or a TOOL IN A SYSTEM?)
I think you’re a tool. And most people are sheeple. And if
there isnt anything to this whole “chemtrail” issue…then theres plenty of other things to
haarp on about. Yes, I do mean what is referred to as a NWO.
But I’m interested in them, and they do sometimes look quite pretty
Oh really UNCINUS? well, you’ll have hundreds to look at which will keep you busy and baffled as to the nuances
of their “benign” creation.
Now, of course there could be covert climate modification projects going on. But the point I’m making here is that there is zero evidence of those project. Yet the “chemtrail” theorists claim that there is evidence.
Wow UNCINUS, what part of “covert” did you not understand when you were learning your 3rd grade vocabulary?
wow, just wow.
Which chemtrail theorists? Is there one kind? heck, Theres all kinds! just like christians and white people and minerals…shit man we could go on forever right?
If you want to get all logical, then you could reduce my claim to “there is no evidence to support the chemtrail theory”.
So, let’s go with that. Do you agree or disagree with the above statement? If you disagree, then what is the evidence?
UNCINUS, what is this “chemtrail theory”?
You’d have to define it before I could disagree with it!
All I do is document the skies and make reference to plenty of information pertinent to weather modification/manipulation/ELF Ionospheric /experimental blah blah blah…..
how many times must I go over it?
Let me get back to my fun ass life for a second and you’ll get all yer pretty weathermodification pics
to debunk as time rolls on.
And yes..you bet i’ll be documenting ALL SUMMER!
LA CRIMES spraydays.
Okay, now let’s say there are bad people in power who naturally would do something.
Why specifically THIS?
There must be some evidence to make you suspect this in particular. What evidence? Why don’t you think they are poisoning the water supply? Of the food chain? Why not subliminal message on TV? Why not reptilian overlords? Why THIS theory in particular?
Surely there must be SOME evidence that makes you think that contrails are being deliberately modified?
Why is it that so many people “believe” that contrails are “visible pollution”. As if the long white trail we see is long and white BECAUSE of the pollutants. The funny thing is, if all air traffic were to avoid the conditions that would cause the water vapor from the exhaust to freeze, no one would even SEE 90% of the planes, nevermind complain about the pollution they create.
It’s hilarious how so many ignore the billions of sources of pollution at ground level and focus on airplanes simply because they “think” the long, white, long-lasting trails are a visual representation of how much pollution the plane is creating…which just isn’t true.
Of all the ways to move hundreds of people from one end of the country to another, air travel is the most efficient, and least polluting (unless they are walking), yet hardly anyone questions the inefficiency of MILLIONS of people driving to work and back, ALONE, in gas guzzling SUV’s.
It’s just the LOOK of the skies that sets these people off…yet there is absolutely NO evidence to support an “intentional spray program”, to manipulate weather or kill people or whatever…. It’s sheer paranoid speculation.
The trails persist because water vapor from the jet engines contact saturated and very cold air. On the days (and in the areas of the atmosphere) where these conditions don’t exist, trails won’t persist. End of story.
“In fact there’s a large number of possible methods discussed in the paper, there’s no evidence that ANY of them have ever been tried.”
Wow you are 100% wrong! Check your premises because contradictions do not exist. You will find that one of them is always wrong. In this case it is yours!
Operation Popeye was cloud seeding to create rain in highly localized places, using technology that has been used for decades.
Two entirely different things. None of the actual methods described in the paper have ever been used.
i record chemtrailsevery day.they can turn them on and off.they leave a small traill then shut off the flow for a bit then leave another.evergreen international a cia partner operates the evergreen supertanker 747.the worlds largest aerial firefighting spray planeTHEYRE WEBSITE STATES THE PLANE CAN ALSO BE USED FOR WEATHER MODIFICATION.WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW AS CITIZENS AND ADULTS WHY THEY ARE SPRAYING US WITH ALUMINUM AND BARIUM.THESE ARE POISEON TO US AND OUR CHILDREN.GO TO FOTOSEARCH.COM AND THEY HAVE THOUSANDS OF PICTURES OF JETS FLYING AT ABOVE CLOUD AND HIGHER ALTITUDES WITH NO CONTRAILS OR CHEMTRAILS.COMMON SENSE SAYS ITS AERIAL SPRAYING.THE AF RESERVE WEBSITE HAS PICS OF A C130 H WITH A MASS MODULAR AERIAL SPRAY SYSTEM SPRAYING FIELDS.WILDFIRE.COM HAS PICS OF AN AIRFORCE C130 WITH THE MAFFS(AERIAL FIREFIGHTING SYSTEM)I AM AN EX NAVY CRASH AND SMASH AERIAL FIREFIGHTING TEAM MEMBER AND EX DAMAGE CONTROLMAN WH LIVED ABOARD A NUCLEAR AIRCRAFT CARRIER AND NEVER SEEN THESE CHEMTRAILS LEFT BY OUR JETS.WHAT NONSENSE
I WRITE IN ALL CAPS SO I AM TELLING THE TRUUUUUUTHHHH!!! CHEMTRAILS ARE REAALLLLLLL!!!! MY GRAMMER GOOD AND I SEEN CHEMTRAILS ALL THE TIME!!!
Sorry- I reserve the right to slam anyone who obviously picks a random page on here to spout nonsense on.
DC3, for broken contrails, see:
http://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/
Evergreen says nothing about weather modification, perhaps you could provide the quote?
There are lots of photos of jets not leaving contrails because contrail formation depends on the weather at the specific altitude, and not the altitude itself. Jet frequently don’t leave contrails at all altitudes.
C130 is used for several low level spraying operations, such as mosquito spraying.
You won’t see your jets from an aircraft carrier leave contrails by the carrier, as when they are near the carrier they will be at a low altitude.
Weather modification inc is a cloud seeding aerial spray co among other things.they operate 35 weather mod planes with pressurized spry jets.the websilte is weathermodification.com.thay can modify any plane or jet and have been involved in weather modification since 1961. We have a right to know the truth as free american citizens
As charles fort said the road to the truth is paved with laughter and ridicule.jet contrails cannot be turned onand off(iwrite in caps so people with closed minds can see,you know who im talking to.explain this expert 2 planes crossing paths,both jet cargo planes one is leaving a trail the other is not,then the one keaving the trail turns it off then a quarter mile away starts it again.for the thickskulled there is only denial because the facts hurt theyre little tiny bit ogf self confidence behind the giant i know it all ego.have you ever kived on a runway.i have its called an aircraft carrier.
Evergreens website has a section that says other uses on it they kist weather modification.it is right there on theyre site and numerous other copies of the site.weathermodification inc weathermodification inc.com has numerous pics to.the c130h is shown flying low but no one seen the plane flying low like that after katrina it is capable of spraying anything at any altitude.i watch these planes leave chem weather mod trails on cold morning and hot afternoons here in sacramento ca ,they are not evren close to 30 thousand feet.i will be at the capital valley air show (like every year)filming if you want some truth come see me and you will get it
Come on people lets get this debate out in the open.the evidence is slam dunk and the powers that be know it.
In the navy we have lookouts(i have been one)if we see a jet or missle leave a cloud we increase our MOPP level and turn on the countermeasure washdown system.we then send external survey teams outside to test for chemical and biological agents.you made a good point though without aid to youre eyes a plane cannot be seen at 30thousand feet.after 911 the big scare was crop dusting planes used for attacks and this is exactky how a chemical attack would happen.i have also witnessed flares being deployed over my nieghborhood as shown on the afreservee site and discussed on weathermocification incs website.
Cloud seeding has never been a secret. But it looks nothing at all like the long persistent contrails that people call “chemtrails”.
Can you explain how you estimate the altitude of the planes that you say are “not even close to 30 thousand feet”? How do you know it’s not a larger plane at a higher altitude? Do you have photos that demonstrate you can identify the type of plane?
regarding the two planes crossing paths – they are at different altitudes, which explains why one leaves a trail and the other does not. The trail is broken because the levels of humidity and temperature in the atmosphere vary.
See:
http://docweather.com/2/show/40/
For a very detailed explanation.
DC3- As Uncinus said- cloud seeding is NOT secret. Its been done for over 50yrs – around the world. It doesn’t involve persistent contrails. It doesn’t involve any “spraying”- they shoot ice flares into precipitation clouds. Its often done from the ground via small rockets. Weather Mod Inc is a private company that is hired by LOCAL agencies- water districts, ski areas, even local farmers to try and increase precip. YOU could hire one of their planes to go ans sample a contrail or 10 of your choice…
Here is another company that does the same thing:
North American Weather Consultants, Inc.
http://www.nawcinc.com/wmfaq.html
cloud seeding has NOTHING to do withe the persistent contrails people think are “chemtrails”.
I have never lived on an aircraft carrier. I’m not sure exactly what goes on there but I base my assumtions on what I see on various media and I think it’s generally a professional place with the exception of a few people who are really hot headed and do whatever they want including tower fly-bys without permission and occasionally there’s some guy who has father issues who freaks out and can’t land his own airplane. I also believe that since it’s the Navy there must be alot of gay guys on a carrier, many of whom dress up in outfits like an indian or a cop. I have many preconcieved ideas about life at sea since I have never actually been there- but that’s OK, I’ll just keep having them and if you say I’m worng then it’s because of your ego.
In the meantime I’ll continue to operate in the flight levels where I have intimate knowledge of virtually everything related to contrail production.
Douglas Dakota:
“Weather modification inc” is an overblown claim. This shouldn’t be hard to see. It’s been going on since “Lucky Strike means fine tobacco” or “Craven-A, for those with smoker’s cough“. Modifying a cloud ISN’T modifying the weather. That’s third grade…
“As charles fort said the road to the truth is paved with laughter and ridicule” and “for the thickskulled there is only denial” – Self-cancelling. If by “thick-skulled”, you mean as ignorant as YOU are. (Second grade).
“i watch these planes leave chem weather mod trails on cold morning and hot afternoons” – Ah ha. Then you know NOTHING about how different is the stratosphere (where these planes are flying) and the troposphere (where YOU are). There’s no physical dependence between the two. You need to go to school. (Third grade).
“they are not even close to 30 thousand feet” “without aid to youre eyes a plane cannot be seen at 30thousand feet” – Self-cancelling. Leaving you at second grade.
“the evidence is slam dunk and the powers that be know it” – That you are uneducated? Yes. You might be able to ask for educational support.
“after 911 the big scare was crop dusting planes used for attacks and this is exactly how a chemical attack would happen” Is it now? I think one of those sophisticated aerial distribution devices the US military is big on might do a better job, personally. You know, COVERAGE, AREA, that sort of thing. Or just through the water supply. That can be done undetectably almost anywhere, by people with education superior to third grade.
Sorry to get your hopes up… in fact, very sorry you have hopes at all… except to rise through school and get yourself educated one day.
“As charles fort said the road to the truth is paved with laughter and ridicule”
I love it when people use this quote and then just ASSume that the ONLY reason they are being laughed at because they are on the right track. There could easily be another reason they are laughed at…right?!
They are also rather fond of Ghandi’s “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”, thinking that it demonstrates that being ignored and laughed at makes you right.
I want to go up in a plane and make a vapour trail for a charity.
How can i go about this?
mary- you want to do what? If you want to sky write something there are companies for that but I don;t think it’s cheap or you would see messages all the time. If you actually want to make a contrail it would be extremely expensive and time consuming. I wouldn’t recommend it.
Skywriting is also rather uncommon in the UK, where Mary seems to be located.
Atmospheric sounding data. Altitude+Temp+Humidity= contrail or no contriail/chemtrail.
Ur site is awsome!Now I can understand contrails.Thanks!I don’t understand why people are so angry with u, u are just reporting facts.Nothing u say seems to be against the truth, and when one dude says u love pollution and gov is so weird!I believed in chemtrails, now i know they are not spraying us globally almost daily, and i sleep better for it!
But this don’t mean the gov is guilt free, in the contrary.They are surely testing their tech, where?Who knows only whistle blower or after 50 years we will know!
We need to fight pollution and cutting of trees, those are real problem, in ur face!
The pesticide and GM food are the one to fight against, don’t waste ur time with chems!
Some very confused people are angry about this site simply because they don’t want to accept that they have fallen for a hoax. They would rather continue to believe in this particular hoax, regardless of a COMPLETE lack of evidence to support their claims and a mountain of evidence that supports the the fact that every line we see in the sky is a contrail…and will always BE contrails…unless someone provides some evidence to the contrary. I’m still waiting for that…It never comes regardless of claim after claim after claim. They “think” they have proof…and it always turns out they are just mistaken and poorly educated in the subjects that easily prove them wrong. They don’t want to accept the fact that they are wrong, so they lash out.
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