Chemtrail/Persistent Contrail Survey

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Jan 062012

When did you first see contrails?

Posted by Uncinus at 5:34 pm  

  35 Responses to “Chemtrail/Persistent Contrail Survey”

  • brenda says:
    January 11, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    people don’t normally look up at the sky and i’m sure you know this. so why the the meaningless questions they mean nothing?
    most people hears about this from other sources as i did.

  • GregOrca says:
    January 11, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    Brenda, do you mean YOU don’t normally look up at the sky and are you assuming other people are like you? I’m a keen sailor and outdoor sportsman who loves hang-gliding, skiing, windsurfing, hiking, surfing etc. EVERYONE I know regularly looks up at the sky and is quite aware of meteorology and its influence on our outdoor activities.
    It’s been that way since I was a kid in the 1960s and so myself and all my family and friends have always kept a keen eye on the sky.
    In fact it is even a cliché that most people talk about the weather as an awkward substitute for more personal conversation.
    There is nothing particularly meaningless about the survey questions.
    Why would you think there was?
    The survey is obviously a means to collect quantitative and qualitative data on people’s perception of contrails.
    What brings you to think gathering data is meaningless activity ?

  • Uncinus says:
    January 15, 2012 at 8:40 am

    Initial Responses can be found here. These are the raw results, with just the email addresses removed.

    It’s public and read-only, as a Google Spreadsheet. If that’s not working, it should also be available here as a web page.

    I’ll update it periodically.

    Some dates have been modified to change text into a number, 1980s and 1970s change to 1985 and 1975. One entry of “when the theory started” has been changed to 2000. 1986/1987 changed to 1986.

    There are 12 answers from chemtrail belivers, dated:

    2012
    2006
    2002
    2000
    2009
    2011
    2011
    2005
    1939
    2003
    2005
    2011

    Of those, only three claims the trails were entirely new (and one of those was in 1939).

    The 1939 comments are interesting, if somewhat farfetched. A novel take on the theory.

    Hello my American friends (I’m assuming from the website information). For all my life I have watched the skies and have suddenly noticed the phenomenon in Germany during WW2. I have seen many of the Luftwaffe go by in my town (never with these long, persisting trails) and personally had family members in the SS who told me about the weather modification techniques at the time. Most of the techniques were obtained through intelligience groups in the United States of America who had their hands on the compartmentalized information. Most of it had to do with aerosol modification and how they could create clouds and haze through the use of chemical trails from airplanes with a variety of compounds that would increase the Cloud Condensation Nuclei. They said how this would have an astounding effect on battlefield conditions for their opposition.

    Most of the breaches happened because vulnerabilities at the time were not mended due to the attention focused primarily on the Manhattan Project. Also, I overheard many of the scientists working for the SS discuss how they could create a contraption analogous to what Nikola Tesla had described with the use of finely tuned ELF and EHF waves that could suddenly eradicate humidity. They would pinpoint and concentrate these powerful waves at fine metal oxides released from airplanes in aerosol form and could virtually eliminate clouds and rain and would be able to form droughts over an entire area for the enemy.

    I even overheard a conversation talking about the production of artificial earthquakes with these devices as mentioned explicitly in Nikola Tesla’s writing. I now know what these are and became aware as I saw weather warfare occur firsthand when we were covertly tested on with the material during ’43 after being notified by an SS agent. The material coming out of the planes is near similar to what we know today as chemtrails. They are long, white streaks that expand from one side of the horizon to the other hazing the sky. The tactic is nothing more than of a geological/weather combat.

    I am very concerned for the future of our home here on Earth and very concerned about the sustainable development of the world. The natural vegetative habitat is becoming eradicated. God bless you people and hope you take action. I am nearing my end as a senior citizen in Munich seeing a once beautiful, natural world turned into a post-industrial wasteland.

  • Danny55 says:
    January 15, 2012 at 10:07 am

    “became aware”???

    A sceptical person might think that the writer of the comments was tring to extract some urine.

  • Jay Reynolds says:
    January 16, 2012 at 6:51 am

    Ah, these hoaxers always have an anonymous tale to tell about this or that un-named scientist, or un-named SS officer, or un-named family members or un-named acquaintances. Even though those folks would be long gone, there isn’t ever anything to follow up on, just a fantastic story that when looked at for anything solid, goes ‘poof’, like a piffle…..

  • Jay Reynolds says:
    January 16, 2012 at 6:57 am

    It is interesting that the current stock of believers has such a recent date. What it reflects to me is the preponderance of newbies out there, and the retirement of almost all the old-timers due to the attrition of time.

    For you can go to chemtrailcentral.com and find photos and reports from all corners of the country speaking of “heavy spray days”, the whole countryside being “hammered for weeks at a time”, except this was back in 2000, five years before the current crop of believers got sucked in to the vortex.

    For most believers, a five year stay getting twisted might be long enough for them to suspect they were the ones who got ‘hammered.’

  • FreiZeitGeist says:
    January 21, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Oooops!

    All inputs are published directly. I didn´t thougth this would happen….

    So I have to say a real big “Sorry” for my real-real-real bad english. I allways had an F-Note in english (but an A-Note in Physics, that´s may be the reason I am on THIS SIDE and not the other one screaming “They Sprayed again”). I´m the one who saw long contrails at the age of 6 in Germany.

    After reading what I´ve wrote, I really hope that my english-teachers never, never, never find this page! ;-)

    Greetings from Franfurt/Germany

    (Am Himmel über Frankfurt/Main sind Kondensstreifen ein gewöhnlicher Anblick)

  • Wallace Wall says:
    January 27, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    I heard about the trails from a lady who was getting an allergy shot at my allergist, so I looked it up. That day I had noticed a gigantic x over Augusta and had wondered what it was because up till then they were always in a straight line.

  • captfitch says:
    January 27, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    So in that case the straight lines crossed. Not unusual.

  • Michael says:
    January 31, 2012 at 10:55 am

    I suggest that people go “digital”. Meaning representing sound/light waves as numbers, thats how chemtrails operate, its not just planes anymore. The sky naturally creates the clouds because the atmosphere has been tweaked enough to do so. So go digital, realize you’re own light frequency, operate on a higher level than light and sound.

  • JFDee says:
    January 31, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Michael,

    somehow I get the impression that you – well – chemically enhanced your mood a tiny bit.

    I sincerely hope that you are not embarrassed about your posting after you came down again. It does not make sense, I’m afraid.

  • Pat says:
    February 1, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Normal contrails and unnatural chemtrails appearing in the same area at the same time tell me something is going on. A 747 pilot told me my photos must be faked, that planes don’t crisscross like that! I took the pictures so I know otherwise. I do wonder why so few pilots have come forward about loading chemicals into their planes (a few have). Perhaps most don’t know. But if there’s absolutely nothing to it, then why can’t it be studied more openly? My understanding is that some of the aerosol has been collected for analysis and that it contains, not water vapor, but aluminum and barrium. We all breathe the same air, so let’s find out what’s going on and put a stop to it. Also, we know that our government has done nefarious things in the past (e.g. school children drinking radio-active milk), so the notion of chemtrails is not that much of a stretch.

  • Uncinus says:
    February 1, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    The only time the trails have been sampled and analysed, they contained only ice.

    The tests you are referring to are test of rain and ground water, and soil. They all show normal amount of natural elements, based on the testing conditions. But have generally been misinterpreted.

    Planes DO crisscross exactly like that. Do you have a link to the photo you are referring to?

  • mark says:
    February 12, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    come on people,get over it.what are you going to do; run and hide-no! move on and live life until you’re done and when you don’t wake up someday you won’t have to worry anymore

  • Larry says:
    March 18, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Does speed have anything to do with a plane leaving a contrial/vapor trail? Do fixed single wings or bi-wing planes leave a vopor trail, I thought it was only jet planes that could do that?

  • Uncinus says:
    March 18, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    It does for aerodynamic contrails. But most contrails are from engine exhaust, which contains water. Both jet engines and propellor engines can leave contrails if they are flying in air that is cold and humid enough.

  • Larry says:
    March 18, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Thank you. When I saw pictures on this website of WWII with contrails near a bomber I was flabergasted. I have never seen pictures like that.
    My dad worked at Lockheed in Palmdale, CA from the late 40′s til the early 1970′s. We use to see the planes leave a trail but that was by the test pilots taking a plane up and the smoke left behind was to be able to find them in the sky and to follow them. Some were very fast like the YF12A and the F-104′s my dad worked on. Many times those same planes never left trails.
    There many other planes that flew but did not leave trails unless it was a vapor off the wing tips. Those vapors disappeared quickly though, naturally. Man made trails would linger for many hours.

  • rasturenZ says:
    March 31, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    “Uncinus says:
    February 1, 2012 at 3:06 pm
    The only time the trails have been sampled and analysed, they contained only ice.”

    This is not true! There is a movie with data presented of sample taken by small airplane directly from chemtrail and gues what it was positive to Barium and Aluminum. Also few months ago RTL had news that some guy from White House admited chemtrails.

    RTL link(its on croatian use google translate): http://www.rtl.hr/vijesti/novosti/168829/bijela-kuca-godinama-trovala-covjecanstvo/

    Movie (this is short 30 min version there is a 90min too): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToxPiW_2RC8

  • Uncinus says:
    March 31, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Where is the data?

  • rasturenZ says:
    March 31, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    I just forgot to say name of the guy from White House: John P. Holdren. there are also many videos of him talking about geoengineering and that kind of stuff.

  • MikeC says:
    April 2, 2012 at 3:16 am

    There are lots of videos of Mr Holdren saying that geo-engineering MIGHT be needed. I haven’t seen any where he actually says that it is happening – but I have seen plenty falsely labelled as saying he does – but all of them are him saying that if we get desperate and there’s no other alternative then we should be prepared to use it.

    Eg see http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/04/holdren-clarifies-the-white-ho.html

  • mj says:
    April 4, 2012 at 8:10 am

    People are too much afraid to escalate this issue.

  • tryblinking says:
    April 8, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    pull the other one mj, it’s got a rhinestone encrusted glove on.

  • Octavian Popil says:
    April 20, 2012 at 2:45 am

    Hey, great poll! But I have another poll idea:

    WHEN DID YOU FIRST SEE CONTRAILS IN ANIMATED MOVIES?
    where NOTHING is rendered unless it’s intentionally and deliberately put there by the animators?!

    Why are there ONLY CONTRAILS in the sky, in the first half of the animated movie OVER THE HEDGE?! Did DREAMWORKS animators feel that they were NECESSARY for children to see, more important than natural clouds themselves?!
    http://globalskywatch.com/chemtrails/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=44

    I guess “contrails” became mandatory for every movie production COMPANY in about 2006, because DISNEY also generously put them in the movie CARS (minute 43 to 46).
    http://www.rense.com/general76/cars.htm

    And DISNEY thought that this chemtrail hoax is so funny, that they decided to put the “contrails” in their animated video logo, that shows before every movie they make!!
    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/198/chemtrailsdisney.jpg/

    And how about Kung-Fu Panda 2, why are “contrails” NECESSARY in a fairy tale story?!
    http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6874/chemtrailskungfupanda21.jpg

    Oh, and let’s not forget the “contrails” that just HAD to come out of plastic toys in this LEGO commercial:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFHtU6WJZv4

    There’s obviously an agenda here, and if you HONESTLY think that chemtrails are a hoax, you are deluding yourself into blissful ignorance!

    Wake up or stop lying if you already know the truth about chemtrails!

  • JFDee says:
    April 20, 2012 at 7:22 am

    Re “Kung Fu Panda 2″: this does not look like contrails at all.

    Instead of suspecting an agenda, you could also assume these low clouds were included to improve the 3D effect – which would probably less impressive with a clean sky.

    Re “Cars”: did you notice the contrails are looking like wheel tracks?

    It’s just annother funny gag.

  • Uncinus says:
    April 20, 2012 at 7:36 am

    The real question is: why wouldn’t contrails be in animated movies? They are familiar objects that exist in the sky.

    I’ve worked with a lot of artists and animators in the game industry. Artists work from reference, not from memory. They have photos of things, and they base what they create partly on those photos. Photos of the sky often include contrails.

  • SR1419 says:
    April 20, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Of course, this is not an animated movie…but it is an illustrated poster in a television show…from 1959:

    http://contrailscience.com/twilight-zone-contrails/

    What was their agenda then?

  • Jay Reynolds says:
    April 20, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Yeah, even my own animated feature includes lots of contrails lines in the skies.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hsKAPCLSzI

  • Alexey says:
    April 21, 2012 at 2:51 am

    @Octavian Popil

    Well, I grew up in a different country and watched very different cartoons in my childhood. Your question sent me down the memory line, so I browsed old soviet animated movies from 70′s and spotted white linear clouds drawn in the sky in quite a few of them. There are proper contrails too, like one here:
    http://topvidos.ru/uploads/videos/2011-05/thumbs/1304239602_karusel_multfilm_2627405.jpg

  • Danny55 says:
    April 21, 2012 at 7:31 am

    Well, I guess that this means that Uncinus’ favourite is real as well.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkO0Xiqpx5A

  • GregOrca says:
    April 22, 2012 at 1:15 am

    Have a look at Roger Ramjet cartoons from the 1960s , and japanese animation from that period.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZIjT3S7wvc
    http://www.retrojunk.com/img/art-images/underation_rogerramjet2.jpg

    Here’s a Buck rogers comic from 1930:
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bxwNCmmOQqc/TVgC9rXA5xI/AAAAAAAAATo/E_UfFAsnEns/s1600/buck_rogers_1.jpg
    Was the 1930 agenda to prepare children for the persistent contrails that would be so extremely common in the 1940s and 50s, 60s, 70s and 1980s?

    Perhaps this RED trail has special meaning from 1979? http://www.plaidstallions.com/cb/brcover.jpg

    Captain Marvel flying past contrails in 1981
    http://www.pdclassicdvds.com/589_500_csupload_36144017.jpg

    Or this trail from the original Flash Gordon series from 1936 http://www.thechestnut.com/flash/chap1-009.jpg

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-P1AH4B5tf7s/TqhFbhj34_I/AAAAAAAAEFk/jO0QI01ngl8/s1600/IMG_6233.JPG

    Even Daffy Duck in the 1953 classic “Duck Dodgers in the 24th and a half century” left a trail behind his spacecraft whilst on the search for Planet X. (real rocket ships don’t leave thin aircraft-like contrails in a vacuum )

    So the point is that Childrens cartoons and comics and tv series have regularly featured contrails since the 1930s. So what is the real agenda of people who suggest it is a new feature of kids movies and TV shows and comics when in reality it has a very long history.
    Why are conspiracy believers so willing to make false claims that it is something new or perhaps is it that they are just ignorant of history and make bold statements without bothering to do any fact checking to see if their claims are true?

  • tryblinking says:
    April 23, 2012 at 2:23 am

    I’m certain it’s both.

  • orion says:
    May 16, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    The survey questions are too minimal and don’t ask if the person suspected something odd occuring in the skies without knowing what and without knowing about Geo-Engineering, Stratospheric Aerial Spraying aka Chemtrails. The questings are too vague and seem to only collate data on the location.
    Possibly to match the sightings of the Chemtrails with the already secretly documented Geo-Engineering operations occuring.
    It seems the people denying that Stratospheric Aerial Spraying is occuring are incapable of even telling this apart form a Contrail.

  • Uncinus says:
    May 16, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    How do you tell it apart? What’s the difference?

  • MikeC says:
    May 16, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    What secretly documented Geo-Engineering operations???

    Seriously – if you have any actual documentation of such programmes you’ll be way ahead of the pack!

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