Chemtrail Non-science
I’m very interested in contrails, but when you look for information about them on the internet, half the sites that turn up are about a conspiracy theory which claims that any trail that last more than a few minutes is actually a “chemtrail”, comprised of dangerous chemicals, particularly barium.
There are even web sites, where people who are convinced this theory is correct are taking the highly laudable step of attempting to verify their hypotheses with scientific experiments.
Unfortunately, they get the science terribly and inexcusably wrong. Take, for example, this graph found on the Arizona Skywatch site:
In particular, look at the first column. It shows a concentration of barium in the air of 556,000 ppb (parts per billion), vs. a “Toxic Limit” of 2,000 ppb. Clearly something is terribly wrong, we’ve got nearly 600 times the toxic limit of Barium in the air. Why are people not dropping dead all over Phoenix?
The first mistake is the value used for “Toxic Limit”. 2000 ppb is actually the EPS’s limit for barium in water, not in air. The limit for barium in air is 5 mg/m3 according to the OSHA. What’s that in ppb? Well, one m3 (cubic meter) of air weighs 1.2 kg, so that’s about 4000 ppb. Not significantly different from 2000 ppb, but as we’ll see. The fact that we are measuring the concentration in air is very important.
Still, 300 times over the toxic limit? And these limits were actually set for people who worked in barium plants. How much barium would you expect to find in the air in a normal city? The CDC’s has done some research:
Background levels of barium in the environment are very low. The air that most people breathe contains about 0.0015 parts of barium per billion parts of air (ppb). The air around factories that release barium compounds into the air has about 0.33 ppb or less of barium. Most surface water and public water supplies contain on average 30 parts of barium per billion parts of water (ppb) or less, but can average as high as 300 ppb in some regions of the United States. In some areas that have underground water wells, drinking water may contain more barium than the 2000 ppb limit set by EPA. The highest amount measured from these water wells has been 10,000 ppb. The amount of barium found in soil ranges from about 15,000 to 3,500,000 ppb.
The above paragraph has been modified to convert all the units to ppb. The original mixed ppm and ppb, which can be confusing.
But there’s a scary thing: the air that most people breath is 0.0015 ppb barium. That means the level found in Phoenix (556,000 ppb) is 370,000,000 times the normal amount!
So what’s going on here? What’s up with these crazy figures?
It turns out the answer is quite simple: they did not actually measure the concentration of barium in the air, they measured the concentration of barium in the airborne particulates.
That’s right, they measured how much barium there is in outdoor dust and smog. In the countryside the airborne dust has a lot of soil in it (especially with the noted “strong Arizona winds and dust storms), and in the city it also has industrial emissions. The amount of barium found is right in the normal range for soil (15,000 – 3,500,000 ppb), and being from a city, you’d also expect some barium emissions in there to bump up the figure. In short, these results are well within the normal (and safe) ranges.
But how did this mistake come about?
To measure the concentration of a particulate substance in air, you can do just what SkyWatch did – you run a vacuum cleaner for a while with a clean air filter, and then you collect the particulate matter from the filter and analyse it’s composition. You then do the one thing missing here: you multiply the result by the weight of the particulate sample divided by the weight of the air the sample was extracted from.
Air weighs 1.2Kg per cubic meter a cubic meter is 1000 liters. A vacuum cleaner can pull through
80 liters per minute, meaning we would get 1kg or air in about ten minutes, or 6 kg in an hour. But how exactly was the sample collected? See here:
http://d1027732.mydomainwebhost.com/charts/our%20charts/index.html
We also took air samples in Phoenix, on non-windy days, using a HEPA filter, then vacuuming the particulates from that filter into another pristine HEPA filter, which we then emptied into a sterile container.
Unfortunately they neglect to say how long they vacuumed for, but it must have been long enough to get some measurable amount of particulates on the filter. So let’s say an hour, and they got one gram (a pinch of salt worth).
So that would be 6Kg of air, meaning, with a 1g sample, we need to adjust our figures by a factor or 1/6000, which bring the claimed 556,000 ppb to 92 ppb, much closer to our normal range, and much lower than the OSHA limit of 4000 ppb.
So, bravo to Arizona Skywatch for trying to put some science behind their claims. But unfortunately they were not measuring what they though they were, and unless they can better describe their collection method, including how long they ran the vacuum for, and how much the submitted sample weighed, then their results are essentially meaningless, and show nothing more than normal air particulates.
So, how long will it take them to correct their site?
[UPDATE]
From here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=380613&postcount=55
This is the final Lab Report RE: air material analysis. This was a 28 day collection via HEPA filter, 8 hours per day collection. Please note the extremely high Aluminum reading 12,800,000 ppb.
The actual lab report is below.
Please let us know if you have research material surrounding this ‘report’. All ideas are encouraged. Previous analysis records are rain, surface water and soil.
Bridget Conroy
ArizonaSkyWatch.com
6-8-8
So that’s 28×8x6= 1,344 Kg of air (for an average vacuum cleaner). Now the only missing information was the weight of the particulates were in the hepa filter.
[UPDATE Jan 2010] When I wrote the above in 2008 I thought that Arizona Skywatch would at least remove the results from their page. But instead they left them there for a year, and then, unbelievably, they repeated the tests using the exact same methodology with the same results.:
http://d1027732.mydomainwebhost.com/charts/our%20charts/phx_particulates_2009.htm

Incredibly bad science.
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Dear Unicus,
I recently stumbled upon this site (this may deserve its own topic):
http://www.watchthesky.org/chems/chemdata.htm
It is basically about radar returns showing “artificial clouds”
Lets look more closely at the images.
http://www.watchthesky.org/chems/flg020306.jpg
This picture is told to show clouds with an unmistakable cirrus shape. Cirrus does not show up on radar so they must be chemtrails.
To quote the site: “How else can you form linear clouds ??”
My first remarks:
- There is quite a lot of ground clutter in the image, ut it should be no problem for someone who is trained to handle these charts.
- Linear clouds are not exlusively cirrus clouds, and cirrus is often not linear.
A Nimbostratus is mostly seen as a line on weather radar.
My first guess is that this is an image of a cold front because of some characteristics, but more data is needed to draw a conclusion.
Below is the weather data of the same day:
TIME T TD RH DIR SPD ALT COV
2351 72 25 17 280 10 986 FEW
0051 70 28 21 260 8 986 BKN
0151 68 28 23 180 3 988 SCT
0251 66 28 24 100 4 989 SCT
0351 64 30 28 80 4 990 SCT
Some notes on this data:
1) The wind is backing
2) The wind is reducing in strength
3) The QNH is rising
4) The temperature is dropping
5) The cloud coverage reduces slowly
This data combined is characteristic for a passing cold front. I have to draw the conclusion that these “chemtrails” on radar are in fact nimbostratus associated with a cold front.
If you watch the data closely you will see that the times do not match. That is because the data is collected in Phoenix from 23:51 to 03:51 UTC. The radar image is from 20:31 UTC.
But on the image you can see that the front has already passed Phoenix.
does anyone have the actual collections from the trails and know what exactly is in them?
Lots of tests have been done on contrails, and we know what is in them (mostly water).
Nobody has ever shown that a “chemtrail” is anything different from a contrail.
For details of the composition of contrails, see:
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc/aviation/038.htm
There are some reasons to worry….
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3?img_id=16528
That’s a photo of the SE US on a day where there were a lot of contrails. That photo gets shown a lot because there are so many contrails in it. But in reality it’s very rare to have the weather like that. Just have a look at current satellite photos of the same region:
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/subsets/?subset=USA7.2008191.terra.1km
Click on the “PREV” button at the top to go back a day. You’ll see that images like the one above are very rare.
I live in AZ and theres no way that the chemtrail or long last contrails are a result of a perfect condition of weather that allows the trails to last hours while expanding into huge clous that eventually cover the entire sky through a series of checker board patterns..
last summer they sprayed us almost every day .and I took video of them and dated them for documentation…
so when this summer was approaching .. I predicted the date 5-31 as the start up date for the summer spraying because that was the date of my first day of recorded spraying from last summer …
and what happened …like clock work they sprayed us really bad that day….
all day …
but that was it …they haven’t done one day of spraying since 5-31-08 thank goodness..
hopefully they ran out of funding but I bet they just moved to another state as colorado has been getting chemtrails like we got in Arizona last summer..
also google indirect aerosol campaign …tons of government website will come up admitting they are doing this as part of a plan to combat global warming…
Shawn, what do you mean “there’s no way” – what about all the similar days in the past, dating back to 1944?
http://contrailscience.com/persisting-and-spreading-contrails/
And the contrails seem to behave exactly as you would expect. And have a look at this:
http://www.usairnet.com/cgi-bin/Winds/Aloft.cgi?location=PRC&Submit=Get+Forecast&hour=06&course=azimuth
Right now it’s -40 at 34,000 feet above Arizona. All it take for some moist air to blow in at high altitude from the ocean, and you’ve got long-lasting contrails.
The fact that images exist of similar-looking trails taken in the forties does not disprove the theory that toxic chemicals are being carried in aircraft contrails.
Elsewhere on this site you posted a link to an article detailing tests carried out by the UK Ministry of Defence between 1940 and 1979 – http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html – for those who have not seen it.
If chemical spraying was carried out in the forties, what’s to say it’s not happening now?
Last winter, I observed an aircraft (or possibly several aircraft) over an hour or so criss-cross back and forth over an area near Reading in the UK leaving trails in regular parallel lines, between about 2 and 3 o’clock in the morning.
I will accept that many of the trails we see in our skies are simply condensation, however a deliberate back-and-forth over a specific area seems unusual – can you offer any explanation for why this might be?
Most people who believe in the “chemtrail” theory think that it started in the late 1990s, specifically because they don’t remember seeing persistent contrails before then. So that’s what a lot of the posts here focus on, showing that there WERE persistent contrails all the way back to the 1940s (and even before, back to 1921).
But if you are saying that “chemtrails” actually date back to the 1940s, then how on earth can you tell what is a contrail and what is a chemtrail?
As for your back-and-forth trails, you were just seeing planes flying in opposite directions. It was not the same plane coming back.
Note that nobody has EVER shown a video or a photo of a plane turning around and flying back. In every single case the planes fly off over the horizon. The most obvious explanation is that the planes are no actually trning around and flying in grid patterns, but are just normal planes on commercial routes between airports.
How do you explain away the fact that on the exact same, day at the same time, – (Burbank CA. airport right here) There will be a plane leaving a regular contrail (ice quickly dissipating from the jets trail) and at the same day, same time, another supposed passenger plane is leaving a long lasting chemtrail – that will linger for hours – same sky -same temperature, same ‘conditions’ –
how is that possible ?
the public can only trust an unbias study of this phenomenon
More than likely the truth is stranger than fiction – whose to say that studies with pollution busting technology isnt already being tested in our skies without public consent? Some private contracted company probably already got the government contract to start doing this
martianboy, there are two likely explanations:
1) The planes are at different altitudes. A plane at 30,000 might leave a trail, but one at 31,000 might not. It depends on the conditions at that altitude.
2) The planes are different type. Newer jets produce more water vapor than older jets, and so leave a longer lasting contrail.
Germany has admitted that their ‘contrails’ are chemical and linked to weather manipulation. China has guaranteed they will not have rain at the Olympics. It’s unlikely that the US would allow other nations to get ahead in such an implication laden ability.
Germany admitted no such thing, they “admitted” that their air-force sometimes uses anti-radar chaff, as have ALL air-forces since WWII. You were probably taken in by this hoax translation:
http://contrailscience.com/germans-admit-they-used-duppel/
The Chinese are simply going to use normal cloud seeding techniques to try to create rain before the Olympics. That technology has been around since BEFORE WWII,a nd there is nothing secret about it. Lots of American companies are using it, and trying to improve it.
None of this has anything to do with persistent contrails.
It’s not worth my time to find the correct thread, but everyone should have this information:
As Uni debunks a number of stories and tests he does so with made up information. Presented with an air analysis he says you’re off by a factor of 1 million because you got 1g out of 1 tonne of air. He proves this the same way he says chemtrail people prove their theories; he creates his own information and presents it as fact. Knowing nothing of the actual methods used, nor using logic in his own interpretation, he arbitrarily comes up with his numbers. So answer this… why would a 1 hour hepafilter collect 1g of product while a 28 day 8 hours a day ALSO collect 1g of product? And during your calculations, you assume 80(whatever units) processed by the filter, without any consideration that 1. it could be less, you pick 80 as a guess 2. as the filter fills up, especially if it’s going thru a vacuum process to get as much air as possible it will have a significantly decreased efficiency over time.
His primary debunking of chemtrail pictures? “They look like contrails to me.” He doesn’t even know how jet contrails are supposed to form… When confronted with the fact that all contrails are poisonous chemical exhaust, he says ‘you obviously don’t know how contrails form – they are frozen WATER, water is a chemical so you can call them chemtrails if you want’ How intelligent, NASA would disagree with him.
The name of this site should be changed to ‘contrailnonscience’ His science consists of ‘there is a 99.999999% chance chemtrails don’t exist.’ Not a single professional and respected scientist would even make such a conclusion that something doesn’t exist. Period.
I take it TonyB, that you are not defending the actual figures produced by California skywatch? Just quibbling a little over my calculations.
I freely admit that there are estimates involved – that’s quite clear for the text. But You’ll note I did not say a factor of 1 milllion, but actually 6000. If there was more air there would be correspondingly more sample, so the ratio would be unchanged.
You said:
Now, 1, I was quite clear on the units, I said:
Air weighs 1.2Kg per cubic meter a cubic meter is 1000 liters. A vacuum cleaner can pull through
80 liters per minute, meaning we would get 1kg or air in about ten minutes, or 6 kg in an hour
Now the 80 l/m figure I just got of the internet, where there are wide range of figures for vacuum cleaner. Turns out I should actually have used 85 l/m, as that’s the standard rate for hepa filter vacuums. Still, 80 vs. 85 is close enough. See:
http://www.google.com/search?q=litres+per+minute+hepa
For 2, that’s an interesting point, the answer to which is perhaps confusing, so bear with me.
Let’s say you’ve got some 2% milk. Say you take a cup of it, you know that cup is 2% (or 20000 ppm) fat. Now let’s take a gallon of the same milk – what’s the ppm of fat? Well, it’s still 2% milk, so it’s still 20000 ppm fat. (For non-Americans, 2% milk is low fat milk that has 2% fat in it). Okay, so the ppm of a sample is independent of the size of the sample.
The Arizona Skwatch test was measuring the ppm (or ppb) of Barium in particulates collected from the air. So imagine you have 1g of those particulates, and you get a reading of 556 ppm. Now you you take 1Kg (1000g) of the same substance, and you measure the ppm, it’s still going to be 556 ppm – exactly the same, as it’s the same substance, with the same concentration of barium in it.
Now if you are measuring the concentration in the dust, then it does not actually matter how much dust you’ve got. But if you are measuring the concentration in the air, then you need to know how much dust there is the air that was sampled. The actual amount caught and sampled is not relevant if you actually know how much is in the air.
So that’s where I used a guess, and said that running a vacuum cleaner for an hour would likely suck through 1g of dust (from the ambient air, not off the ground, obviously). How much would get caught in the filter, or if the filer would get clogged is irrelevant – this is an estimate of how much is in the air.
Is it a reasonable guess? Well, an hour is 6kg of air, or about 5 m3 (cubic meters), so that’s 0.2g/m3 or 200mg/m3, or 200,000ug/m3. Well, 50 ug/m3 is considered pollution, and here I’m assuming the 4000 times that much. So yes, my figures may well be off, but everything suggests that the amount would be vast less than one gram, which makes the Arizona Skywatch results even more wrong.
You have some valid points, but didn’t disprove some of mine.
The composition of the sample ideally would be the same, and thus irrelevant of it’s mass. You are very correct on that. Also, like you said, you need the total mass of particulates to get the ppb in air. But I still question the mass of air processed as the amount the hepa-vacuum can process will decrease as the filter becomes clogged. Your value of 50ug/m^3 is accurate for particulate matter. But that just means the 500ug/m3 should be lowered as barium won’t exist in the air in elemental form ;-p (see below for why I moved your decimal point.) But that’s going a bit far I guess… 500ug/m3 will work for me.
“The limit for barium in air is 5 mg/m3 according to the OSHA. What’s that in ppb? Well, one m3 (cubic meter) of air weighs 1.2 kg, so that’s about 4000 ppb.”
Off by a factor of 10? I get 420 ppb for barium… further, you neglect to mention that’s an 8 hour average limit… which means that the ambient air level should be less (the EPA/CDC doesn’t have enough data to set an ambient air level limit apparently…)
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/rtecs/cq7fb750.html
“Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) Permissible Exposure Limit (General Industry) 8 hour time-weighted average 0.5 mg(Ba)/m3
Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) Permissible Exposure Limit (Construction) 8 hour time-weighted average 0.5 mg(Ba)/m3
Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) Permissible Exposure Limit (Shipyards) 8 hour time-weighted average 0.5 mg(Ba)/m3
Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) Permissible Exposure Limit (Federal Contractors) 8 hour time-weighted average 0.5 mg(Ba)/m3″
Also see http://www.rose-hulman.edu/Class/cm/HTML/000000/000624.pdf page 3
“You’ll note I did not say a factor of 1 milllion, but actually 6000. ” Sorry if I was confusing, your estimate for how far off the aluminum test was a factor of 1 million. Either way, you assume 1 hour when you say they’re off by 6,000… your analysis has no better basis than theirs.
But here’s a hint… both are from the same friggan study if you care to look at the rest of the charts from the first link on the Barium. So you’re right on another thing, what’s missing is the amount collected, and corrected for the amounts retained passing through 2 hepa filters.
Oh, your first statement “I take it TonyB, that you are not defending the actual figures produced by California skywatch? Just quibbling a little over my calculations.”
No, I’m not defending their numbers, everyone in that area would be dead if they were accurate.
“How much would get caught in the filter, or if the filer would get clogged is irrelevant – this is an estimate of how much is in the air. ” I’m slow today… sorry… it is completely relevant because it has an effect on the airflow, the 85lpm will drop over time. Since the amount of air flowing thru the filter is integral to your calculation, how is that irrelevant? If that’s the case the lpm, m3/h, and mass of the air becomes irrelevant as a result. Just want to clear that up because my response is vague on that point.
If the filter became clogged, then yes, it would be relevant to a calculation of the concentration in the air. But not to the concentration in the particulate matter. Note though that even if the airflow decreased to zero at the end of the experiment, it would only reduce the amount of solid gathered by 50%.
The bottom line here is that Arizon Skywatch measured the wrong thing. They measured the concentration of the metals in dust, and not in air. Their results were within the normal range for those metals in dust.
Now I then attempted to give a ballpark estimate of how wrong they were. This meant I had to estimate A) How much air was sampled, and B) The weight of the particulate matter in the filters.
It’s not possible to give anything more than an estimate here – which is what I did. Turns out I was overly generous on the amount of particulates – which makes their result even more wrong, but perhaps 50% off on the volume of air.
But any way you work the figures, their answers are incredibly wrong – as you said, if they were correct then everyone wold be dead.
5mg in 1m3
5mg in 1.2Kg
4.2mg in 1Kg
4.2mg in 1000g
4.2g in 1,000,000g (4.2ppm)
4200g in 1,000,000,000g (4200ppb)
Yes yes, if those were air numbers people would be in a sort of air quicksand. The Al at 12,800,000ppb and the Ca at 40,400,000ppb and the Fe at 16,800,000ppb makes 68% by mass… toss in Mg at 10,600,000 – K at 7,930,000 – Na at 6,370,000 and that makes 92.6%… somethings not right here… it looks like it’s going to add up to 100% but I’m not adding all those small numbers. That doesn’t bother me though; not as much as all of the listed components being cations… no anions in those results at all? A number of them aren’t even capable of existing in metallic form in open air. There’s no chance of getting an accurate calculation of air concentration… you’d have to assume so many variables that your percent error would be in the range of +/-10,000%
Anyway, here’s where you’re off by a factor of 10 which I thought I clarified above but I guess not…
“5mg in 1m3
5mg in 1.2Kg
4.2mg in 1Kg
4.2mg in 1000g
4.2g in 1,000,000g (4.2ppm)
4200g in 1,000,000,000g (4200ppb)”
Except the actual OSHA value is 0.5mg or 500ug. You used a selected value for a low toxicity barium compound, not the value for barium ions or some of the more toxic compounds. I have the CDC link in my old post… as well as a link to a MSDS. There’s also 16 non-US limits in the CDC page, only two countries allow more than 0.5mg/m3 and they both specify short term, and are 1.5mg/m3 and 1mg/m3 respectively. At least you see my point on the vacuum and air content calculation.
From: http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/rtecs/cq7fb750.html
American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygienists (ACGIH) Threshold Limit Value time-weighted average 0.5 mg/m3 DTLVS* TLV/BEI,2007
[...]
Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA) STANDARD – air time-weighted average 0.5 mg/m3
Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) Permissible Exposure Limit (General Industry) 8 hour time-weighted average 0.5 mg(Ba)/m3
Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) Permissible Exposure Limit (Construction) 8 hour time-weighted average 0.5 mg(Ba)/m3
Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) Permissible Exposure Limit (Shipyards) 8 hour time-weighted average 0.5 mg(Ba)/m3
Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) Permissible Exposure Limit (Federal Contractors) 8 hour time-weighted average 0.5 mg(Ba)/m3
Occupational Exposure Limit – AUSTRALIA time-weighted average 0.5 mg/m3, JAN1993
Occupational Exposure Limit – BELGIUM time-weighted average 0.5 mg/m3, JAN1993
Occupational Exposure Limit – DENMARK time-weighted average 0.5 mg(Ba)/m3, OCT 2002
Occupational Exposure Limit – DENMARK time-weighted average 0.5 mg/m3, OCT 2002
Occupational Exposure Limit – EC time-weighted average 0.5 mg/m3, FEB 2006
Occupational Exposure Limit – EC time-weighted average 0.5 mg(Ba)/m3, FEB 2006
Occupational Exposure Limit – FINLAND time-weighted average 0.5 mg/m3, JAN1999
Occupational Exposure Limit – GERMANY MAK 0.5 mg/m3 (inhalable), 2005
Occupational Exposure Limit – GERMANY MAK 0.5 mg(Ba)/m3 (inhalable), 2005
Occupational Exposure Limit – HUNGARY short term exposure limit 0.5 mg/m3, JAN1993
Occupational Exposure Limit – KOREA time-weighted average 0.5 mg/m3, 2006
Occupational Exposure Limit – MEXICO time-weighted average 0.5 mg/m3, 2004
Occupational Exposure Limit – MEXICO time-weighted average 0.5 mg(Ba)/m3, 2004
Occupational Exposure Limit – THE NETHERLANDS MAC-TGG 0.5 mg/m3, 2003
Occupational Exposure Limit – NEW ZEALAND time-weighted average 0.5 mg/m3, JAN2002
Occupational Exposure Limit – THE PHILIPPINES time-weighted average 0.5 mg/m3, JAN1993
Occupational Exposure Limit – POLAND MAC(time-weighted average) 0.5 mg/m3, MAC(short term exposure limit) 1.5 mg/m3, JAN1999
Occupational Exposure Limit – SWITZERLAND MAK- week 0.5 mg/m3;
KZG- week 1 mg/m3, DEC2006
Occupational Exposure Limit – TURKEY time-weighted average 0.5 mg/m3, JAN1993
Occupational Exposure Limit – UNITED KINGDOM time-weighted average 0.5 mg/m3, 2005
Occupational Exposure Limit – UNITED KINGDOM time-weighted average 0.5 mg(Ba)/m3, 2005
Damn, I made a huge error… it would take 400,000,000ppb to be 40%… my numbers are also off by a factor of 10… those results come to 10% not 100%…
At least I caught myself before anyone else did ;-p That still doesn’t account for the anions though, and 10% metallic composition of air would clog your lungs in a few breaths.
Who funds you?
I’m self funded. This web site costs around $50 per year for domain registration and hosting costs.
Heh – nice site Uncinus. I’ve only recently found out about the whole chemtrails thing, and it truly is shocking the things people will believe:)
The human mind is an amazing thing!
Do the idiots who believe all the “chemtrail” nonsense actually believe that something “sprayed” from an airliner over 10,000 meters up is going to drop straight down onto thier precious 9 but empty) little heads? IF anything was sprayed out at that altitude, it would land hundreds of kilometers away…
Idiots…
Yeah, Wombat, I’ve pretty much determined that Chemtrail believers pretty much ignore the concept of wind and gravity. The really fun thing I keep seeing is that there are people actually declaring as fact that contrails only form in a dry sky because contrail formation has nothing at all to do with humidity of any type. I’ve asked about the saturation of the sky at flight altitude and they came back with name calling, blocking me from further communication, and removing any comments I had made. I think I confused them.
I find all of this research quite interesting. If all of you non believers did your research, you might find that NASA actually admits that they are conducting these weather manipulating experiments and claim they are trying to “reverse global warming”. So if everyone that is using both sides of their brain are imagining all of these things in our sky, than why would NASA admit to aerial spraying? And admit that they are full of not only barium and aluminum but also uranium, arsenic, lead, selenium, silver, chromium, viral molds, cadmium, polymer fibers, dibromide……(list goes on and on) and you might also ask how pictures of the inside of these specific jets show the evidence of the spray tanks. I also would like to mention that these planes fly at a very low altitude for a very good reason. I have a great uncle who works for NASA and not only does he know what is really going on, but YES he is an SS Nazi member from Germany and YES he was brought to America during project paperclip and YES conspiracies are going on. As taught in history class less than 100 years ago- EVERYTHING IN HISTORY HAPPENED BECAUSE IT WAS CONSPIRED TO BE SO. They should still teach that in schools because every intelligent soul knows that everything on this Earth is the way it is because great men of our past have conspired it- everything! I would love to answer any questions any one might have. I just want to spread the truth, and being that I have amazing inside knowledge, I could probably answer anything you throw at me (with a truthful tongue. )
peace and love to all
Kaycee, please provide me with the information that shows that the research that NASA is doing results in long white trails in the sky. Please provide the reason you link the two things together. Trust me, when NASA is conducting this research, you don’t see anything from the ground. The research is also NOT being performed over every city in the world, where we all see these trails in the sky. There is no reason to believe that this research results in what you people refer to as “chemtrails” other than your own assumptions. You assume that since “they” are admitting to putting chemicals in the sky, and you see airplanes leaving trails in the sky, that the two events are related. Sorry, you are jumping to conclusions you can’t support with facts or evidence. Also, with all of the chemicals you have mentioned, one would think that the thousands of independent air quality monitoring stations in schools, businesses, universities and individual homes would have found SOMETHING out of the ordinary to report. It’s just not the case. There is NOTHING to back up your claims.
“and you might also ask how pictures of the inside of these specific jets show the evidence of the spray tanks.”
Those tanks you see are called “ballast tanks” and are used to study the performance of airplanes by pumping water from the rows of tanks very quickly to simulate cargo shifts within the planes. You accept the internet BS by other people who don’t know what these tanks are because you WANT to believe that’s what they are. I find it amazing that people who have never studied aviation can find things on the net posted by OTHER people who haven’t studied aviation, and accept it all as fact. It’s funny how your great uncle doesn’t know about ballast tanks.
I find all of this research quite interesting – You don’t know what “researching” means.
NASA admits weather experiments and “reverse global warming” – Yes, I noticed it was splattered all over their website. It’s obvious their ROCKETS AND SATELLITES are just a cheap “cover” operation.
barium, aluminum, uranium, arsenic, lead, selenium, silver, chromium, viral molds, cadmium, polymer fibers, dibromide – Wow what a list.
It is truly fortunate that air samplers running 24/7 worldwide never seem to find these materials, otherwise we would have only months to live. In fact we have ALL cheated death somehow, because “chemtrails” have been mythologized for ten years now – and we’re still alive…
inside pictures evidence spray tanks – You mean the Boeing 777 LR prototype centre-of-gravity tests. You can find the pictures of these on Airliners.net, but oddly they don’t show the “photoshopped” “hazmat inside” notices. They wouldn’t would they, for WATER isn’t very hazardous, is it?
these planes fly at a very low altitude for a very good reason – Yes. In order to COLLIDE with light and medium short range aircraft which don’t have transponders to show up on Air Traffic Control screens. That’s why they’re falling out of the skies everywhere, leaving HEAPS of these exotic materials everywhere. Haven’t you heard?
uncle – NASA – SS Nazi – project paperclip – I used to know an Irishman who was full of stories. We’s both listen to these stories with absolute fascination. It whiled away many an hour.
EVERYTHING HAPPENED BECAUSE IT WAS CONSPIRED – Yeah. There are NO accidents. People NEVER foul up. Nor do they tell lies. Everything always goes according to plan.
I just want to spread truth, I have amazing inside knowledge, I could probably answer anything you throw at me with a truthful tongue – I BET you could. But I’ve had enough of your tall stories for the present. I’ll see you when Nibiru arrives…
Man, I really loser faith in humanity when I see comments made by people like kaycee. Seriously. Just shoot yourself.
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