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		<title>By: JazzRoc</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/voodoo-contrails-over-los-angeles/#comment-40396</link>
		<dc:creator>JazzRoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;from WIKI:&lt;/strong&gt;
Bryansail:&lt;blockquote&gt;Interesting coincidence that Raytheon is involved in another harmless atmospheric research facility known as HAARP.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Raytheon Company (NYSE: RTN) is a major American defense contractor and industrial corporation with core manufacturing concentrations in defense systems and defense and commercial electronics. It was previously involved in corporate and special-mission aircraft until early 2007. 
Raytheon is the world&#039;s largest producer of guided missiles.
Established in 1922, the company reincorporated in 1928 and adopted its present name in 1959. The company has around &lt;strong&gt;73,000 employees&lt;/strong&gt; worldwide and annual revenues of approximately US$20 billion. More than 90 percent of Raytheon&#039;s revenues were obtained from defense contracts and, as of 2007, it was the &lt;strong&gt;fifth largest defense contractor in the world&lt;/strong&gt;, and is the fourth largest defense contractor in the United States by revenue.
Raytheon Headquarters was moved from Lexington, Massachusetts to Waltham, Massachusetts on October 27, 2003. The company was previously headquartered in Cambridge, Massachusetts from 1922–1928, Newton, Massachusetts from 1928–1941, Waltham from 1941–1961, Lexington from 1961–2003, and back to Waltham from 2003 onwards.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Really?&lt;/strong&gt;  :)</description>
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Bryansail:<br />
<blockquote>Interesting coincidence that Raytheon is involved in another harmless atmospheric research facility known as HAARP.</p></blockquote>
<p><em>Raytheon Company (NYSE: RTN) is a major American defense contractor and industrial corporation with core manufacturing concentrations in defense systems and defense and commercial electronics. It was previously involved in corporate and special-mission aircraft until early 2007.<br />
Raytheon is the world&#8217;s largest producer of guided missiles.<br />
Established in 1922, the company reincorporated in 1928 and adopted its present name in 1959. The company has around <strong>73,000 employees</strong> worldwide and annual revenues of approximately US$20 billion. More than 90 percent of Raytheon&#8217;s revenues were obtained from defense contracts and, as of 2007, it was the <strong>fifth largest defense contractor in the world</strong>, and is the fourth largest defense contractor in the United States by revenue.<br />
Raytheon Headquarters was moved from Lexington, Massachusetts to Waltham, Massachusetts on October 27, 2003. The company was previously headquartered in Cambridge, Massachusetts from 1922–1928, Newton, Massachusetts from 1928–1941, Waltham from 1941–1961, Lexington from 1961–2003, and back to Waltham from 2003 onwards.</em></p>
<p><strong>Really?</strong>  <img src='http://contrailscience.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Uncinus</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/voodoo-contrails-over-los-angeles/#comment-40216</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 01:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree to some degree.  It can be viewed as a form of visual pollution, and there is some effect on the weather via radiative forcing.  So it&#039;s certainly not all good.

The vast majority of people seem rather indifferent to contrails.   I think that&#039;s because, as things go, there are far worse things to worry about. 

Still, you are certainly not alone:

http://www.google.com/search?q=contrail+visual+pollution</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree to some degree.  It can be viewed as a form of visual pollution, and there is some effect on the weather via radiative forcing.  So it&#8217;s certainly not all good.</p>
<p>The vast majority of people seem rather indifferent to contrails.   I think that&#8217;s because, as things go, there are far worse things to worry about. </p>
<p>Still, you are certainly not alone:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=contrail+visual+pollution" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=contrail+visual+pollution</a></p>
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		<title>By: vamp</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/voodoo-contrails-over-los-angeles/#comment-40215</link>
		<dc:creator>vamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 01:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter how anyone looks at this whole situation the fact remains that there are Trails in the sky made by Jets and this is, in my opionion very disturbing I have always looked up at the sky since a child and have lived in Southern California admiring the beautiful blue skies my family always said I always had my head in the clouds which has always been a true fact lol. The other day I met a man in his late 70&#039;s we started to talk about the weather wich lead to the trails in the sky He mentioned that the trails had been around since the 60&#039;s but not as much as now He was disturbed by what is happening now from what He related to me.In Conclusion Unfortunately all I see now is these Jets flying consistently and creating these trails that diminishes us from experiencing the Beauty of the Blue skies over Southern California.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter how anyone looks at this whole situation the fact remains that there are Trails in the sky made by Jets and this is, in my opionion very disturbing I have always looked up at the sky since a child and have lived in Southern California admiring the beautiful blue skies my family always said I always had my head in the clouds which has always been a true fact lol. The other day I met a man in his late 70&#8217;s we started to talk about the weather wich lead to the trails in the sky He mentioned that the trails had been around since the 60&#8217;s but not as much as now He was disturbed by what is happening now from what He related to me.In Conclusion Unfortunately all I see now is these Jets flying consistently and creating these trails that diminishes us from experiencing the Beauty of the Blue skies over Southern California.</p>
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		<title>By: bryansail</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/voodoo-contrails-over-los-angeles/#comment-39007</link>
		<dc:creator>bryansail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting coincidence that Raytheon is involved in another harmless atmospheric research facility known as HAARP.</description>
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		<title>By: Suntour</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/voodoo-contrails-over-los-angeles/#comment-36068</link>
		<dc:creator>Suntour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 09:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you did answer my second question and I appreciate that.  Since SR1419 and Uncinus addressed your answer much more eloquently than I ever could, I&#039;ll take on your cloned sheep example.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
By checkthemap:
&quot;What if scientists cloned an animal — say, a sheep — and in almost every respect, that sheep looked like natural sheep, but it had some differences which observant people could point out.

Like, the hair was just a bit more coarse, or the behaviour was a little off, or it didn’t live quite as long . . . etc.

When there is a fine line between the real sheep and cloned sheep, it would be difficult to argue with people who insist that it is one or the other.&quot;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Internet person 1 - &quot;Check out this picture of a sheep...it looks a lot different than when I was a kid.  Sheep used to have much more hair than this and they used to be taller!&quot;

Internet person 2 - &quot;yeah, back when I visited a hobby farm, the sheep there had big full coats, and when I stood next to it, it seemed pretty tall!&quot;  &quot;Sheep these days are a lot shorter and thinner!&quot;

Internet person 3 - &quot;I heard that the government has been slowly integrating cloned sheep into the breeding population.&quot;

Internet person 4 - &quot;I&#039;ve noticed the wool sweater I bought the other day makes me itch a lot more than the wool sweater I had as a kid, I wonder if the clone wool is the difference?&quot;

Internet person 2 - &quot;Now that you mention it, my wool sweater is making me itch too...hmm you might be onto something there...I&#039;m developing a rash on my back&quot;

And so it goes...cloned sheep are the next &quot;chemtrail&quot;.  Farmers are in on the deal because they&#039;re making more money buying the cheaper &quot;cloned&quot; sheep, textile manufacturers are in on the deal because the cloned wool has been &quot;modified&quot; to make their machines run faster etc etc...


You could do the same thing with:
Boat Wakes being different wavelengths than you remember.
Shadows being darker or lighter than you remember.
The Moon being brighter/darker than you remember.
Ad nauseam



Anything that relies on recollection and doesn&#039;t have any actual specifics or numbers attached to it could fall victim to the same fate that contrails have.  The problem is, Science will prove all of these beliefs wrong, but the believers will still poo poo it as &quot;disinfo&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you did answer my second question and I appreciate that.  Since SR1419 and Uncinus addressed your answer much more eloquently than I ever could, I&#8217;ll take on your cloned sheep example.</p>
<blockquote><p>
By checkthemap:<br />
&#8220;What if scientists cloned an animal — say, a sheep — and in almost every respect, that sheep looked like natural sheep, but it had some differences which observant people could point out.</p>
<p>Like, the hair was just a bit more coarse, or the behaviour was a little off, or it didn’t live quite as long . . . etc.</p>
<p>When there is a fine line between the real sheep and cloned sheep, it would be difficult to argue with people who insist that it is one or the other.&#8221;
</p></blockquote>
<p>Internet person 1 &#8211; &#8220;Check out this picture of a sheep&#8230;it looks a lot different than when I was a kid.  Sheep used to have much more hair than this and they used to be taller!&#8221;</p>
<p>Internet person 2 &#8211; &#8220;yeah, back when I visited a hobby farm, the sheep there had big full coats, and when I stood next to it, it seemed pretty tall!&#8221;  &#8220;Sheep these days are a lot shorter and thinner!&#8221;</p>
<p>Internet person 3 &#8211; &#8220;I heard that the government has been slowly integrating cloned sheep into the breeding population.&#8221;</p>
<p>Internet person 4 &#8211; &#8220;I&#8217;ve noticed the wool sweater I bought the other day makes me itch a lot more than the wool sweater I had as a kid, I wonder if the clone wool is the difference?&#8221;</p>
<p>Internet person 2 &#8211; &#8220;Now that you mention it, my wool sweater is making me itch too&#8230;hmm you might be onto something there&#8230;I&#8217;m developing a rash on my back&#8221;</p>
<p>And so it goes&#8230;cloned sheep are the next &#8220;chemtrail&#8221;.  Farmers are in on the deal because they&#8217;re making more money buying the cheaper &#8220;cloned&#8221; sheep, textile manufacturers are in on the deal because the cloned wool has been &#8220;modified&#8221; to make their machines run faster etc etc&#8230;</p>
<p>You could do the same thing with:<br />
Boat Wakes being different wavelengths than you remember.<br />
Shadows being darker or lighter than you remember.<br />
The Moon being brighter/darker than you remember.<br />
Ad nauseam</p>
<p>Anything that relies on recollection and doesn&#8217;t have any actual specifics or numbers attached to it could fall victim to the same fate that contrails have.  The problem is, Science will prove all of these beliefs wrong, but the believers will still poo poo it as &#8220;disinfo&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: TrailBoss</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/voodoo-contrails-over-los-angeles/#comment-36063</link>
		<dc:creator>TrailBoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 06:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drippier? 

Stop with the map and start with the dictionary.</description>
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<p>Stop with the map and start with the dictionary.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncinus</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/voodoo-contrails-over-los-angeles/#comment-26082</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;a. They are bigger, longer, dirtier, and drippier than any contrails we are familiar with&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Surely if this were true, then there would be photographic evidence of this?  Specifically some new types of contrail that had never been seen before?

Now before you try to produce some, have a look at this book, published in 1972, which has many photos of different types of contrails.   From what I&#039;ve seen of &quot;chemtrail&quot; photos and video on the internet, all of them are represented here.:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Uncinus/CloudsOfTheWorld1972#

There are even explanations as to how things form, such as the &quot;dripping&quot; clouds.  
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jse1cqd4oM8VU1la8vZvlw?feat=directlink
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/6h9hk2r2DrBBbo-lp11uvQ?feat=directlink

&lt;img src=&quot;http://lh5.ggpht.com/_c0msxGQSgv4/Sm-Oib3U14I/AAAAAAAAAtI/6FUyJicKY6E/s640/IMG_0701.JPG&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>a. They are bigger, longer, dirtier, and drippier than any contrails we are familiar with</p></blockquote>
<p>Surely if this were true, then there would be photographic evidence of this?  Specifically some new types of contrail that had never been seen before?</p>
<p>Now before you try to produce some, have a look at this book, published in 1972, which has many photos of different types of contrails.   From what I&#8217;ve seen of &#8220;chemtrail&#8221; photos and video on the internet, all of them are represented here.:</p>
<p><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/Uncinus/CloudsOfTheWorld1972#" rel="nofollow">http://picasaweb.google.com/Uncinus/CloudsOfTheWorld1972#</a></p>
<p>There are even explanations as to how things form, such as the &#8220;dripping&#8221; clouds.<br />
<a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jse1cqd4oM8VU1la8vZvlw?feat=directlink" rel="nofollow">http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jse1cqd4oM8VU1la8vZvlw?feat=directlink</a><br />
<a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/6h9hk2r2DrBBbo-lp11uvQ?feat=directlink" rel="nofollow">http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/6h9hk2r2DrBBbo-lp11uvQ?feat=directlink</a></p>
<p><img src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_c0msxGQSgv4/Sm-Oib3U14I/AAAAAAAAAtI/6FUyJicKY6E/s640/IMG_0701.JPG" alt="" /></p>
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		<title>By: SR1419</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/voodoo-contrails-over-los-angeles/#comment-26081</link>
		<dc:creator>SR1419</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CheckMap:

You wrote:

&quot;a. They are bigger, longer, dirtier, and drippier than any contrails we are familiar with&quot;

*Not true- the trails are identical to those that have been observed for 40 years...just the small sample of photos on this website prove that. Just because YOU and others do not remember contrails like this does not make it so...plenty of others claim much different 

&quot;b. There are far more of them&quot;

more than when?  ...but true...there are a lot more planes flying now than 40, 30, 20 years ago....5000 planes in the sky over the US at any given *moment*! Also, engine design has changed such that they produce more persistent trails over a wider range of parameters...research &quot;contrail factor&quot;.

&quot;c. They have been laid out with seeming purpose by unmarked planes flying in irregular patterns, and in military formations and with seeming precision&quot;

*Irregular patterns...isn&#039;t that a contradiction in terms?  

Flight paths in this country are laid out in very organized ways to avoid collision...multiple planes flying through conditions ripe for persistent contrails can leave multiple trails that &quot;seem&quot; organized...and they are...flights paths cross all the time...easily leaving a &quot;grid&quot; of persistent contrails...

Can you REALLY identify a plane that is 6-10 miles away...especially with the light scattering effects of the atmosphere...??

Is every military plane by definition &quot;spraying&quot; something? or are they also subject to the science of the atmosphere in regards to persistent contrails?

&quot;d. They do not just linger and form wispy clouds — they spread like a web and form dense, polluted looking clouds, and this seems to affect our weather, our skies, and possibly our health&quot;

&quot;seems&quot;....again with that word. 

They most certainly affect the skies as they are producing cirrus clouds where there were none before...

That persistent contrails can affect the weather is a major question- actively being studied by scientists all over the world...(do the research)

however, there is absolutely NO correlation of any scientific merit that correlates the existence of persistent contrails to one&#039;s health....or even any anecdotal evidence that would suggest it is even worthy to study.   Given the nature of Fall Rates and  the efficacy of saturating a population by &quot;spraying&quot; something 7 miles overhead, you are FAR more likely to have your health affected by sources of contaminants much closer to you...and the ground. 

When people see a trail overhead and say they feel the effects on their health...they are under the impression that that trail will fall straight down upon them...IF the contents ever did touch the ground (which is not a given) it would be 100s and 1000s of mile away...

&quot;e. They have been noted by people all over the world as an anomaly&quot;

by people who are under the internet driven belief that &quot; contrails dissipate- chemtrails don&#039;t&quot; ...and thus setting themselves up for incorrect conclusions.

&quot;f. They correspond to possible existing military programs which would use aerosol spraying in conjunction with weather modification and directed energy programs&quot;

*Incorrect!! I implore you to show one military operation in this country that uses persistent contrails as medium for weapons delivery....(much less globally as this is a global phenomenon) 

cloud seeding, hurricane mitigation, radar jamming etc...none of that uses persistent contrails at 35k feet as its delivery method. 

(how do you reconcile the fact that &quot;chemtrails&quot; are viewed globally but are also supposed to be a secret US military operation....??) 

&quot;g. Some people get sick when the spray is extremely heavy&quot;

People get sick every day!!! some get sick when there is no &quot;spraying&quot; 

Some people get sick on days I wear my red shoes...

&quot;h. Some people can taste the chemicals in the spray&quot;

*What? how do they know what they are tasting?? and Where it came from?? And how do they correlate the taste with a specific trail?? Again, this is where knowledge of the atmosphere, behavior of particulate matter etc...come into play...Where is the logic? reasoning? Scholarship?? Clue???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CheckMap:</p>
<p>You wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;a. They are bigger, longer, dirtier, and drippier than any contrails we are familiar with&#8221;</p>
<p>*Not true- the trails are identical to those that have been observed for 40 years&#8230;just the small sample of photos on this website prove that. Just because YOU and others do not remember contrails like this does not make it so&#8230;plenty of others claim much different </p>
<p>&#8220;b. There are far more of them&#8221;</p>
<p>more than when?  &#8230;but true&#8230;there are a lot more planes flying now than 40, 30, 20 years ago&#8230;.5000 planes in the sky over the US at any given *moment*! Also, engine design has changed such that they produce more persistent trails over a wider range of parameters&#8230;research &#8220;contrail factor&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;c. They have been laid out with seeming purpose by unmarked planes flying in irregular patterns, and in military formations and with seeming precision&#8221;</p>
<p>*Irregular patterns&#8230;isn&#8217;t that a contradiction in terms?  </p>
<p>Flight paths in this country are laid out in very organized ways to avoid collision&#8230;multiple planes flying through conditions ripe for persistent contrails can leave multiple trails that &#8220;seem&#8221; organized&#8230;and they are&#8230;flights paths cross all the time&#8230;easily leaving a &#8220;grid&#8221; of persistent contrails&#8230;</p>
<p>Can you REALLY identify a plane that is 6-10 miles away&#8230;especially with the light scattering effects of the atmosphere&#8230;??</p>
<p>Is every military plane by definition &#8220;spraying&#8221; something? or are they also subject to the science of the atmosphere in regards to persistent contrails?</p>
<p>&#8220;d. They do not just linger and form wispy clouds — they spread like a web and form dense, polluted looking clouds, and this seems to affect our weather, our skies, and possibly our health&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;seems&#8221;&#8230;.again with that word. </p>
<p>They most certainly affect the skies as they are producing cirrus clouds where there were none before&#8230;</p>
<p>That persistent contrails can affect the weather is a major question- actively being studied by scientists all over the world&#8230;(do the research)</p>
<p>however, there is absolutely NO correlation of any scientific merit that correlates the existence of persistent contrails to one&#8217;s health&#8230;.or even any anecdotal evidence that would suggest it is even worthy to study.   Given the nature of Fall Rates and  the efficacy of saturating a population by &#8220;spraying&#8221; something 7 miles overhead, you are FAR more likely to have your health affected by sources of contaminants much closer to you&#8230;and the ground. </p>
<p>When people see a trail overhead and say they feel the effects on their health&#8230;they are under the impression that that trail will fall straight down upon them&#8230;IF the contents ever did touch the ground (which is not a given) it would be 100s and 1000s of mile away&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;e. They have been noted by people all over the world as an anomaly&#8221;</p>
<p>by people who are under the internet driven belief that &#8221; contrails dissipate- chemtrails don&#8217;t&#8221; &#8230;and thus setting themselves up for incorrect conclusions.</p>
<p>&#8220;f. They correspond to possible existing military programs which would use aerosol spraying in conjunction with weather modification and directed energy programs&#8221;</p>
<p>*Incorrect!! I implore you to show one military operation in this country that uses persistent contrails as medium for weapons delivery&#8230;.(much less globally as this is a global phenomenon) </p>
<p>cloud seeding, hurricane mitigation, radar jamming etc&#8230;none of that uses persistent contrails at 35k feet as its delivery method. </p>
<p>(how do you reconcile the fact that &#8220;chemtrails&#8221; are viewed globally but are also supposed to be a secret US military operation&#8230;.??) </p>
<p>&#8220;g. Some people get sick when the spray is extremely heavy&#8221;</p>
<p>People get sick every day!!! some get sick when there is no &#8220;spraying&#8221; </p>
<p>Some people get sick on days I wear my red shoes&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;h. Some people can taste the chemicals in the spray&#8221;</p>
<p>*What? how do they know what they are tasting?? and Where it came from?? And how do they correlate the taste with a specific trail?? Again, this is where knowledge of the atmosphere, behavior of particulate matter etc&#8230;come into play&#8230;Where is the logic? reasoning? Scholarship?? Clue???</p>
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		<title>By: checkthemap</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/voodoo-contrails-over-los-angeles/#comment-26075</link>
		<dc:creator>checkthemap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suntour --

May I address your question by asking another question?

What if scientists cloned an animal -- say, a sheep -- and in almost every respect, that sheep looked like natural sheep, but it had some differences which observant people could point out.

Like, the hair was just a bit more coarse, or the behaviour was a little off, or it didn&#039;t live quite as long . . . etc.

When there is a fine line between the real sheep and cloned sheep, it would be difficult to argue with people who insist that it is one or the other.

With chemtrails, obviously they look like normal contrails, and they are not colored fuscia, or made of taffy. No, they look like vapor trails.

But . . . what we have all noticed is that:

a. They are bigger, longer, dirtier, and drippier than any contrails we are familiar with

b. There are far more of them

c. They have been laid out with seeming purpose by unmarked planes flying in irregular patterns, and in military formations and with seeming precision

d. They do not just linger and form wispy clouds -- they spread like a web and form dense, polluted looking clouds, and this seems to affect our weather, our skies, and possibly our health

e. They have been noted by people all over the world as an anomaly

f. They correspond to possible existing military programs which would use aerosol spraying in conjunction with weather modification and directed energy programs

g. Some people get sick when the spray is extremely heavy

h. Some people can taste the chemicals in the spray

I could go on about the other attendant phenomena witnessed around chemtrails, but I&quot;m at work and I&#039;d better get off . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suntour &#8211;</p>
<p>May I address your question by asking another question?</p>
<p>What if scientists cloned an animal &#8212; say, a sheep &#8212; and in almost every respect, that sheep looked like natural sheep, but it had some differences which observant people could point out.</p>
<p>Like, the hair was just a bit more coarse, or the behaviour was a little off, or it didn&#8217;t live quite as long . . . etc.</p>
<p>When there is a fine line between the real sheep and cloned sheep, it would be difficult to argue with people who insist that it is one or the other.</p>
<p>With chemtrails, obviously they look like normal contrails, and they are not colored fuscia, or made of taffy. No, they look like vapor trails.</p>
<p>But . . . what we have all noticed is that:</p>
<p>a. They are bigger, longer, dirtier, and drippier than any contrails we are familiar with</p>
<p>b. There are far more of them</p>
<p>c. They have been laid out with seeming purpose by unmarked planes flying in irregular patterns, and in military formations and with seeming precision</p>
<p>d. They do not just linger and form wispy clouds &#8212; they spread like a web and form dense, polluted looking clouds, and this seems to affect our weather, our skies, and possibly our health</p>
<p>e. They have been noted by people all over the world as an anomaly</p>
<p>f. They correspond to possible existing military programs which would use aerosol spraying in conjunction with weather modification and directed energy programs</p>
<p>g. Some people get sick when the spray is extremely heavy</p>
<p>h. Some people can taste the chemicals in the spray</p>
<p>I could go on about the other attendant phenomena witnessed around chemtrails, but I&#8221;m at work and I&#8217;d better get off . . .</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>poppa, since you&#039;re certain this is a disinformation site, I have two questions for you.  Unfortunately, you won&#039;t answer #2, no chemtrailer ever does.

1.  Please state what you consider to be &quot;disinformation&quot; on this site (and why please).

2.  What are the visual and behavioral differences between persistent contrails and &quot;chemtrails&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>poppa, since you&#8217;re certain this is a disinformation site, I have two questions for you.  Unfortunately, you won&#8217;t answer #2, no chemtrailer ever does.</p>
<p>1.  Please state what you consider to be &#8220;disinformation&#8221; on this site (and why please).</p>
<p>2.  What are the visual and behavioral differences between persistent contrails and &#8220;chemtrails&#8221;.</p>
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