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		<title>By: Uncinus</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/twilight-zone-contrails/#comment-48310</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ruffneck:
&lt;blockquote&gt; If one were not to suspect the powers that be, it would make you a complete idiot. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Very true.  But you need to use science and reason when suspecting them.  What is the actual evidence that they actually did any particular thing?  What is the evidence that chemtrails are being deliberately sprayed?  You can&#039;t just suspect and then make up a theory because it sounds like the type of thing they might do.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Did BP release the M.S.D.S on that corexit shit? I should know all about that or maybe I skipped that class.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes they did:
http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/posted/2931/Corexit_EC9527A_MSDS.539295.pdf

But again, just because BP is evil, it does not &lt;i&gt; necessarily follow&lt;/i&gt; that contrails are chemtrails.  You need some actual evidence to make that assertion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ruffneck:</p>
<blockquote><p> If one were not to suspect the powers that be, it would make you a complete idiot. </p></blockquote>
<p>Very true.  But you need to use science and reason when suspecting them.  What is the actual evidence that they actually did any particular thing?  What is the evidence that chemtrails are being deliberately sprayed?  You can&#8217;t just suspect and then make up a theory because it sounds like the type of thing they might do.</p>
<blockquote><p>Did BP release the M.S.D.S on that corexit shit? I should know all about that or maybe I skipped that class.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes they did:<br />
<a href="http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/posted/2931/Corexit_EC9527A_MSDS.539295.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/posted/2931/Corexit_EC9527A_MSDS.539295.pdf</a></p>
<p>But again, just because BP is evil, it does not <i> necessarily follow</i> that contrails are chemtrails.  You need some actual evidence to make that assertion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross M</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/twilight-zone-contrails/#comment-48237</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 06:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent!</description>
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		<title>By: JazzRoc</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/twilight-zone-contrails/#comment-48229</link>
		<dc:creator>JazzRoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 21:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to say that the last two commenters have all my support.
The first takes it for depth of expression, the second for calmness and rationality.
I would give a lot for the latter, but the former is still greatly appreciated.
&quot;Science on the other hand&quot; needs &quot;a set of well argued rational hypotheses based on the actual evidence&quot;.
Don&#039;t have high expectations... that&#039;s all... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to say that the last two commenters have all my support.<br />
The first takes it for depth of expression, the second for calmness and rationality.<br />
I would give a lot for the latter, but the former is still greatly appreciated.<br />
&#8220;Science on the other hand&#8221; needs &#8220;a set of well argued rational hypotheses based on the actual evidence&#8221;.<br />
Don&#8217;t have high expectations&#8230; that&#8217;s all&#8230; <img src='http://contrailscience.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Uncinus</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/twilight-zone-contrails/#comment-48226</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But anyone who uses terms like &quot;Hegelian conflict resolution&quot; is obviously thinking that they ARE educated.  His request that you be able to explain Hegal before he reveals his results seems to indicate he thinks he&#039;s vastly more educated (or at least aware of what is &quot;really&quot; going on) than we are.    

&quot;Hegelian conflict resolution&quot; is not even a real concept.  If you search for the term, you&#039;ll see a smattering of usages on various conspiracy minded web sites.  They use it to indicate an artificially created conflict that is used to control a situation towards a desired outcome - specifically one used by the powers-that-be to control or dupe the masses. 

This seems to have its origins in the anti-communist roots of modern american conspiracy culture, possibly combined with the writings of Karl Popper.  Marxism is partly built upon Hegelian Dialectic.  Hegelian Dialectic (and dialectic in general) is a method of determining the truth by rational discussion.  This in turn is based upon Socratic dialog - which is basically the art of talking about a thesis to determine its veracity (which is what I&#039;m doing here).

Hegel more formalized this as the synthesis of thesis and antithesis - where consensus arises as a result of rational conflict between specifically opposing ideas.  (Socratic dialog does not require a specific antithesis). Hegel framed history as a continual surging cycle of such naturally arising conflicts, both large and small. 

Somewhere along the line,  this idea was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bb970219.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;corrupted in conspiracy circles&lt;/a&gt; into the idea of &lt;i&gt;deliberately creating&lt;/i&gt; conflicts between thesis and antithesis (at least one of which is artificial) in order to create a specific result.  History is then narrowly re-framed as being essentially deliberately scripted (Popper pointed out the obviously flaws in this theory in &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=nxIntaspvegC&amp;pg=PA105&amp;lpg=PA105&amp;dq=hegel+conspiracy+popper&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=b267mVtWHP&amp;sig=j204udn6Vrjdo9xYnv4eqWTABaY&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=4j47TKKFF8OmnAeOgb2yAw&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=4&amp;ved=0CB8Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the same work&lt;/a&gt; that the theorists quote to suport it).

An example might be the 9/11 attacks and resultant invasions of Afganistan and Iraq.  The argument would be that the illuminati engineered the attacks specifically to create the wars, and to distract the public from their other machinations. 

The problem with this argument in the context of chemtrails is that it can equally be applied to the chemtrail theory itself.

Consider: what is there to suggest that the chemtrails theory is not something artificially created to distract people from the real problems?  Theorists devote all their time chasing illusory malignant lines in the sky, allowing big business to carry out some other nefarious plan.

So, no, an understanding of the theory of Hegelian conflict resolution is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; a necessary precursor to a scientific discussion of if something unusual is happening with contrails.  The Hegelian theory cuts both ways here, and hence for the purposes of determining what is actually going on, it is irrelevant.

Science on the other hand, a set of well argued rational hypotheses based on the actual evidence, is what is really needed here.

So where is your evidence?  Where is your science?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But anyone who uses terms like &#8220;Hegelian conflict resolution&#8221; is obviously thinking that they ARE educated.  His request that you be able to explain Hegal before he reveals his results seems to indicate he thinks he&#8217;s vastly more educated (or at least aware of what is &#8220;really&#8221; going on) than we are.    </p>
<p>&#8220;Hegelian conflict resolution&#8221; is not even a real concept.  If you search for the term, you&#8217;ll see a smattering of usages on various conspiracy minded web sites.  They use it to indicate an artificially created conflict that is used to control a situation towards a desired outcome &#8211; specifically one used by the powers-that-be to control or dupe the masses. </p>
<p>This seems to have its origins in the anti-communist roots of modern american conspiracy culture, possibly combined with the writings of Karl Popper.  Marxism is partly built upon Hegelian Dialectic.  Hegelian Dialectic (and dialectic in general) is a method of determining the truth by rational discussion.  This in turn is based upon Socratic dialog &#8211; which is basically the art of talking about a thesis to determine its veracity (which is what I&#8217;m doing here).</p>
<p>Hegel more formalized this as the synthesis of thesis and antithesis &#8211; where consensus arises as a result of rational conflict between specifically opposing ideas.  (Socratic dialog does not require a specific antithesis). Hegel framed history as a continual surging cycle of such naturally arising conflicts, both large and small. </p>
<p>Somewhere along the line,  this idea was <a href="http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bb970219.htm" rel="nofollow">corrupted in conspiracy circles</a> into the idea of <i>deliberately creating</i> conflicts between thesis and antithesis (at least one of which is artificial) in order to create a specific result.  History is then narrowly re-framed as being essentially deliberately scripted (Popper pointed out the obviously flaws in this theory in <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=nxIntaspvegC&#038;pg=PA105&#038;lpg=PA105&#038;dq=hegel+conspiracy+popper&#038;source=bl&#038;ots=b267mVtWHP&#038;sig=j204udn6Vrjdo9xYnv4eqWTABaY&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=4j47TKKFF8OmnAeOgb2yAw&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=4&#038;ved=0CB8Q6AEwAw#v=onepage" rel="nofollow">the same work</a> that the theorists quote to suport it).</p>
<p>An example might be the 9/11 attacks and resultant invasions of Afganistan and Iraq.  The argument would be that the illuminati engineered the attacks specifically to create the wars, and to distract the public from their other machinations. </p>
<p>The problem with this argument in the context of chemtrails is that it can equally be applied to the chemtrail theory itself.</p>
<p>Consider: what is there to suggest that the chemtrails theory is not something artificially created to distract people from the real problems?  Theorists devote all their time chasing illusory malignant lines in the sky, allowing big business to carry out some other nefarious plan.</p>
<p>So, no, an understanding of the theory of Hegelian conflict resolution is <i>not</i> a necessary precursor to a scientific discussion of if something unusual is happening with contrails.  The Hegelian theory cuts both ways here, and hence for the purposes of determining what is actually going on, it is irrelevant.</p>
<p>Science on the other hand, a set of well argued rational hypotheses based on the actual evidence, is what is really needed here.</p>
<p>So where is your evidence?  Where is your science?</p>
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		<title>By: ruffneck</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/twilight-zone-contrails/#comment-48223</link>
		<dc:creator>ruffneck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>History is also a good method to see were the truth lies, or maybe I could believe in the owned media. The media never lies and its not raining oil in the southern states and smoking wont kill you. If one were not to suspect the powers that be, it would make you a complete idiot. Did BP release the M.S.D.S on that corexit shit? I should know all about that or maybe I skipped that class. Pathetic are the people that believe ever thing is all good, dont question, just do, serf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>History is also a good method to see were the truth lies, or maybe I could believe in the owned media. The media never lies and its not raining oil in the southern states and smoking wont kill you. If one were not to suspect the powers that be, it would make you a complete idiot. Did BP release the M.S.D.S on that corexit shit? I should know all about that or maybe I skipped that class. Pathetic are the people that believe ever thing is all good, dont question, just do, serf.</p>
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		<title>By: faithinscience</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/twilight-zone-contrails/#comment-48222</link>
		<dc:creator>faithinscience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And another thing....Let&#039;s all stop pretending that one source of information is just as good as another. There is NO WAY that anyone can convince me that it&#039;s sensible to accept &quot;truth&quot; from those who have never properly studied the subjects. Peer review and the scientific method are how we gauge truth. Not through guesses, conjecture, misunderstanding, belief, assumption, speculation and pure wishful thinking. It&#039;s just SAD what passes for information within the &quot;chemtrail&quot; believer community. Pathetic is the only word that accurately describes the attempt of those in that community to educate themselves in this particular subject. No, I&#039;m not going to mince words here...anyone who has accepted the hoax as fact, given the complete LACK of evidence, PROVES their lack of education. I&#039;m not pointing out anything that isn&#039;t already common knowledge within the community of those of us who have bothered to educate ourselves in the subject. Please, if there is incorrect info being put on this site, please provide evidence to support the claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another thing&#8230;.Let&#8217;s all stop pretending that one source of information is just as good as another. There is NO WAY that anyone can convince me that it&#8217;s sensible to accept &#8220;truth&#8221; from those who have never properly studied the subjects. Peer review and the scientific method are how we gauge truth. Not through guesses, conjecture, misunderstanding, belief, assumption, speculation and pure wishful thinking. It&#8217;s just SAD what passes for information within the &#8220;chemtrail&#8221; believer community. Pathetic is the only word that accurately describes the attempt of those in that community to educate themselves in this particular subject. No, I&#8217;m not going to mince words here&#8230;anyone who has accepted the hoax as fact, given the complete LACK of evidence, PROVES their lack of education. I&#8217;m not pointing out anything that isn&#8217;t already common knowledge within the community of those of us who have bothered to educate ourselves in the subject. Please, if there is incorrect info being put on this site, please provide evidence to support the claim.</p>
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		<title>By: faithinscience</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/twilight-zone-contrails/#comment-48218</link>
		<dc:creator>faithinscience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;ll also say this...The analysis had better be genuine and NOT the one we&#039;ve all seen in every forum dedicated to the &quot;chemtrail&quot; hoax. You claim to have an analysis from YOUR plants. I want to see it, and if you don&#039;t provide it, you are a liar. It&#039;s not character assassination if it&#039;s TRUE! It&#039;s simply revealing the true character. Also, I will still be requiring ANY and all evidence that show that anything you find on your plants came from the lines in the sky. Your assurance that it has, is just no where NEAR enough for me! You are accusing people of doing something...you need MUCH more than the circumstantial nonsense that has been passed around for the last decade +. What the conspiracy theorists accept AS evidence, is nothing of the kind. I&#039;m still waiting for even a remotely convincing bit of evidence that shows that anything is being deposited in the sky within these EASILY explained (through ACTUAL scientific study, not the pseudo-research that conspiracy theorists rely on.) trails. All I see is the same non-stop nonsensical claims...and NOTHING to back them up. It&#039;s getting quite ridiculous. You people just rehash the same mistakes over and over and over. It&#039;s amusing and sad. 
It must be humiliating to be a &quot;chemtrail&quot; believer. If it isn&#039;t, it should be. 

I&#039;m still waiting for a certain someone to show me a single mistake on this site. Just another nonsense claim I guess...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;ll also say this&#8230;The analysis had better be genuine and NOT the one we&#8217;ve all seen in every forum dedicated to the &#8220;chemtrail&#8221; hoax. You claim to have an analysis from YOUR plants. I want to see it, and if you don&#8217;t provide it, you are a liar. It&#8217;s not character assassination if it&#8217;s TRUE! It&#8217;s simply revealing the true character. Also, I will still be requiring ANY and all evidence that show that anything you find on your plants came from the lines in the sky. Your assurance that it has, is just no where NEAR enough for me! You are accusing people of doing something&#8230;you need MUCH more than the circumstantial nonsense that has been passed around for the last decade +. What the conspiracy theorists accept AS evidence, is nothing of the kind. I&#8217;m still waiting for even a remotely convincing bit of evidence that shows that anything is being deposited in the sky within these EASILY explained (through ACTUAL scientific study, not the pseudo-research that conspiracy theorists rely on.) trails. All I see is the same non-stop nonsensical claims&#8230;and NOTHING to back them up. It&#8217;s getting quite ridiculous. You people just rehash the same mistakes over and over and over. It&#8217;s amusing and sad.<br />
It must be humiliating to be a &#8220;chemtrail&#8221; believer. If it isn&#8217;t, it should be. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m still waiting for a certain someone to show me a single mistake on this site. Just another nonsense claim I guess&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ross M</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/twilight-zone-contrails/#comment-48212</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 02:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mr Hegel&#039;s Disciple, the trails you see in the sky are just contrails. You do not need to invent a scheme as elaborate as chemtrails to explain everything that is observed, including the barium and aluminum levels you are finding on your plant leaves. That stuff is not coming from contrails; I am quite certain about that.
To paraphrase a post I saw on GLP recently which sums it all up: 
&quot;What makes you think that jet exhaust is any different when a contrail forms than when a contrail doesn&#039;t form? Are you really that stupid? Jet exhaust is identical whether you see it or whether you don&#039;t. And, you&#039;re not being sprayed from an altitude of six miles.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mr Hegel&#8217;s Disciple, the trails you see in the sky are just contrails. You do not need to invent a scheme as elaborate as chemtrails to explain everything that is observed, including the barium and aluminum levels you are finding on your plant leaves. That stuff is not coming from contrails; I am quite certain about that.<br />
To paraphrase a post I saw on GLP recently which sums it all up:<br />
&#8220;What makes you think that jet exhaust is any different when a contrail forms than when a contrail doesn&#8217;t form? Are you really that stupid? Jet exhaust is identical whether you see it or whether you don&#8217;t. And, you&#8217;re not being sprayed from an altitude of six miles.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Uncinus</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/twilight-zone-contrails/#comment-48211</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 23:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Again, I say, Explain the salient points of Hegelian Conflict resolution and I will show you the analysis.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why is it necessary to keep it a secret?  Just post it.  Surely someone will understand.  This is a public forum. What are you going to do, wait for the entire world to understand your frame of reference before you say anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Again, I say, Explain the salient points of Hegelian Conflict resolution and I will show you the analysis.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why is it necessary to keep it a secret?  Just post it.  Surely someone will understand.  This is a public forum. What are you going to do, wait for the entire world to understand your frame of reference before you say anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, interesting, my post was deleted. Again, I say, Explain the salient points of Hegelian Conflict resolution and I will show you the analysis.  If you do not understand tis find......................but you will have no defense in being inculcated with superfluous fluff that will mitigate linear thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, interesting, my post was deleted. Again, I say, Explain the salient points of Hegelian Conflict resolution and I will show you the analysis.  If you do not understand tis find&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.but you will have no defense in being inculcated with superfluous fluff that will mitigate linear thought.</p>
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