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		<title>By: SR1419</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/things-that-are-not-contrails-or-chemtrails/#comment-46281</link>
		<dc:creator>SR1419</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MYC-

I think its important to understand that &quot;cloud seeding&quot; as has been practiced around the world for the last 50yrs doesn&#039;t involve a persistent contrail of any sort. They generally shoot ice flares of silver iodide directly into precip clouds- often from the ground. Its not secret and doesn&#039;t have any thing to do with the persistent contrails people believe are &quot;chemtrails&quot;-  See here for more info:

www.weathermodification.com

or

www.nawcinc.com/wmfaq.html


Also- if you want you can track flights over you in near real time using Flightaware.com-</description>
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<p>I think its important to understand that &#8220;cloud seeding&#8221; as has been practiced around the world for the last 50yrs doesn&#8217;t involve a persistent contrail of any sort. They generally shoot ice flares of silver iodide directly into precip clouds- often from the ground. Its not secret and doesn&#8217;t have any thing to do with the persistent contrails people believe are &#8220;chemtrails&#8221;-  See here for more info:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.weathermodification.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.weathermodification.com</a></p>
<p>or</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nawcinc.com/wmfaq.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nawcinc.com/wmfaq.html</a></p>
<p>Also- if you want you can track flights over you in near real time using Flightaware.com-</p>
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		<title>By: MyComment</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/things-that-are-not-contrails-or-chemtrails/#comment-46279</link>
		<dc:creator>MyComment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow the part of my post that was supposed to say that I will see them sometimes for 2-4 days in a row but then not see them for several days.  I must have accidentally deleted it but it&#039;s relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow the part of my post that was supposed to say that I will see them sometimes for 2-4 days in a row but then not see them for several days.  I must have accidentally deleted it but it&#8217;s relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: MyComment</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know the traffic flying over my house from the airport doesn&#039;t leave any trails because they&#039;re too low.  My house would be in an almost constant fog if they did.  lol

Just a couple more observations before I leave for the day.  All of these planes I see leaving the long, wide contrails are gone, at least from my field of view, by the time I leave to bring the kids to school at 7:30.  They don&#039;t come back during the day.  I sometimes see 2-3 at a time and I see them when I get up and get my coffee and open the window shades for the day, which is how I first noticed them.  I started going outside and watching.    The trails slowly expand and finally disappear or at least dissipate to a very thin veil by about 10:30, 11:00 a.m.  
I guess that&#039;s why it is not normal to me.  It&#039;s so erratic and does not fit the normal air traffic I observe during my normal daily routine and I spend hours a day outside during good weather working in my gardens and yard.  If it was being caused by normal air traffic, they should be there at any given time on any given day.  

I should also say that I discovered the term &quot;chemtrail&quot; and this site just because I felt they weren&#039;t quite normal and wanted to see if I could get more info on what they could be.  I did not decide they were not normal because a conspiracy website told me they weren&#039;t and that I should be scared.  My very initial google search was &quot;thick, long trails from airplanes.&quot;  :)  I went from there.  

I can absolutely read and understand what science and history says.   I also can see what I see with my own eyes.  I don&#039;t understand it yet.   Thank you for your insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the traffic flying over my house from the airport doesn&#8217;t leave any trails because they&#8217;re too low.  My house would be in an almost constant fog if they did.  lol</p>
<p>Just a couple more observations before I leave for the day.  All of these planes I see leaving the long, wide contrails are gone, at least from my field of view, by the time I leave to bring the kids to school at 7:30.  They don&#8217;t come back during the day.  I sometimes see 2-3 at a time and I see them when I get up and get my coffee and open the window shades for the day, which is how I first noticed them.  I started going outside and watching.    The trails slowly expand and finally disappear or at least dissipate to a very thin veil by about 10:30, 11:00 a.m.<br />
I guess that&#8217;s why it is not normal to me.  It&#8217;s so erratic and does not fit the normal air traffic I observe during my normal daily routine and I spend hours a day outside during good weather working in my gardens and yard.  If it was being caused by normal air traffic, they should be there at any given time on any given day.  </p>
<p>I should also say that I discovered the term &#8220;chemtrail&#8221; and this site just because I felt they weren&#8217;t quite normal and wanted to see if I could get more info on what they could be.  I did not decide they were not normal because a conspiracy website told me they weren&#8217;t and that I should be scared.  My very initial google search was &#8220;thick, long trails from airplanes.&#8221;  <img src='http://contrailscience.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I went from there.  </p>
<p>I can absolutely read and understand what science and history says.   I also can see what I see with my own eyes.  I don&#8217;t understand it yet.   Thank you for your insight.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncinus</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/things-that-are-not-contrails-or-chemtrails/#comment-46276</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Traffic to an airport ten miles away will never leave contrails, as the planes are too low.

What you are seeing is high altitude air traffic that is travelling to and from airports that are hundreds (even thousands) of miles away from you.  Most likely they are at 30,000 or above.  If the planes are very large, then they can look lower.  If the planes are very small (corporate jets) they can look higher.  It&#039;s very hard to judge altitude.  

Have you read about the historical accounts that are very similar to what you are seeing?  See here for example:

http://contrailscience.com/persisting-and-spreading-contrails/

&lt;blockquote&gt;1970:

The spreading of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent contrails exist from 25,000 to 40,000 ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet.
[....]
Contrail development and spreading begins in the morning hours with the start of heavy jet traffic and may extend from horizon to horizon as the air traffic peaks. Fig. 1 is a typical example of midmorning contrails that occured on 17 December 1969 northwest of Boulder. By midafternoon, sky conditions had developed into those shown in Fig. 2 an almost solid contrail sheet reported to average 500 m in depth&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Traffic to an airport ten miles away will never leave contrails, as the planes are too low.</p>
<p>What you are seeing is high altitude air traffic that is travelling to and from airports that are hundreds (even thousands) of miles away from you.  Most likely they are at 30,000 or above.  If the planes are very large, then they can look lower.  If the planes are very small (corporate jets) they can look higher.  It&#8217;s very hard to judge altitude.  </p>
<p>Have you read about the historical accounts that are very similar to what you are seeing?  See here for example:</p>
<p><a href="http://contrailscience.com/persisting-and-spreading-contrails/" rel="nofollow">http://contrailscience.com/persisting-and-spreading-contrails/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>1970:</p>
<p>The spreading of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent contrails exist from 25,000 to 40,000 ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet.<br />
[....]<br />
Contrail development and spreading begins in the morning hours with the start of heavy jet traffic and may extend from horizon to horizon as the air traffic peaks. Fig. 1 is a typical example of midmorning contrails that occured on 17 December 1969 northwest of Boulder. By midafternoon, sky conditions had developed into those shown in Fig. 2 an almost solid contrail sheet reported to average 500 m in depth</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: MyComment</title>
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		<dc:creator>MyComment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, by the way, I am just a &quot;regular person,&quot; at least in my own eyes and those of my family and peers. (I hope!  LOL).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, by the way, I am just a &#8220;regular person,&#8221; at least in my own eyes and those of my family and peers. (I hope!  LOL).</p>
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		<title>By: MyComment</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/things-that-are-not-contrails-or-chemtrails/#comment-46274</link>
		<dc:creator>MyComment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read many threads on this site and when I first came here, it was blatantly obvious (to me) that this is a site to debunk &quot;chemtrails.&quot;  I wasn&#039;t posting to prove anything to anyone,  I was simply giving my thoughts on the matter, based on my own observations and research.  As far as the language of that bill, I don&#039;t care if the people who wrote the bill believe in God, UFOs or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.   The word &quot;chemtrails&quot; in that bill doesn&#039;t prove anything except that I didn&#039;t make up the term and it&#039;s been around for almost 10 years.  &quot;I believe&quot; it&#039;s suspicious as to why they picked that particular term but again, my belief proves nothing, it&#039;s only based on my opinion.

I personally don&#039;t believe that the government is trying to kill us.    I personally believe that the longer, thicker blanketing trails are more than clouds of ice crystals.  I see them in my area only in the  morning and they are very erratic.  With that said, I&#039;ll state that I live about 10 miles by car from an airport.  Normal air traffic using the airport will flow over my house in north-south directions and don&#039;t leave any trails, as they are either just taking off or descending to land and are very low (and loud!  darnit!  LOL).  I&#039;ve never once observed any of this airport traffic coming from east or west over my house.  The crusing-altitude planes that I see leaving short trails are obviously not flying in or out of the airport and, as far as I have observed, are much farther east and west of the airport.  I see them moving mostly north-south, as well. I haven&#039;t observed any east-west traffic over my house from these planes.   The heavy contrails I see in the mornings blanket the entire area and go in all directions.   If these were caused by airport traffic, I would be shaken out of my bed from the noise, as there are dozens upon dozens of lines in all stages of thickness.  The planes I see are lower than the cruising-altitude planes I see to the east and west but much higher than the planes using the airport.    Thankfully, it&#039;s a very small airport, so planes only take off and land over my house probably once or twice an hour.  There&#039;s also an Air Force base next door to the airport,  so we get HUGE carrier planes flying over head and last week, a flurry of AF jet traffic was constant for about 2 days.  Those do not leave trails, either, as they are way too low.  I&#039;m going to start taking some videos over the next couple of weeks of all the different air traffic going on.  Maybe I can get something new from that, I don&#039;t know.  For now, I can only base my opinions on my own observations of it.

Note the &quot;personally&quot; and  &quot;believe&quot;  and &quot;opinion&quot; parts of my statements.   I suppose I should have worded my previous post: &quot;To me, there&#039;s no doubt...&quot;     I&#039;d give you a link to my brain so you can see my thought process but as of today, that technology just isn&#039;t quite ready yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read many threads on this site and when I first came here, it was blatantly obvious (to me) that this is a site to debunk &#8220;chemtrails.&#8221;  I wasn&#8217;t posting to prove anything to anyone,  I was simply giving my thoughts on the matter, based on my own observations and research.  As far as the language of that bill, I don&#8217;t care if the people who wrote the bill believe in God, UFOs or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.   The word &#8220;chemtrails&#8221; in that bill doesn&#8217;t prove anything except that I didn&#8217;t make up the term and it&#8217;s been around for almost 10 years.  &#8220;I believe&#8221; it&#8217;s suspicious as to why they picked that particular term but again, my belief proves nothing, it&#8217;s only based on my opinion.</p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t believe that the government is trying to kill us.    I personally believe that the longer, thicker blanketing trails are more than clouds of ice crystals.  I see them in my area only in the  morning and they are very erratic.  With that said, I&#8217;ll state that I live about 10 miles by car from an airport.  Normal air traffic using the airport will flow over my house in north-south directions and don&#8217;t leave any trails, as they are either just taking off or descending to land and are very low (and loud!  darnit!  LOL).  I&#8217;ve never once observed any of this airport traffic coming from east or west over my house.  The crusing-altitude planes that I see leaving short trails are obviously not flying in or out of the airport and, as far as I have observed, are much farther east and west of the airport.  I see them moving mostly north-south, as well. I haven&#8217;t observed any east-west traffic over my house from these planes.   The heavy contrails I see in the mornings blanket the entire area and go in all directions.   If these were caused by airport traffic, I would be shaken out of my bed from the noise, as there are dozens upon dozens of lines in all stages of thickness.  The planes I see are lower than the cruising-altitude planes I see to the east and west but much higher than the planes using the airport.    Thankfully, it&#8217;s a very small airport, so planes only take off and land over my house probably once or twice an hour.  There&#8217;s also an Air Force base next door to the airport,  so we get HUGE carrier planes flying over head and last week, a flurry of AF jet traffic was constant for about 2 days.  Those do not leave trails, either, as they are way too low.  I&#8217;m going to start taking some videos over the next couple of weeks of all the different air traffic going on.  Maybe I can get something new from that, I don&#8217;t know.  For now, I can only base my opinions on my own observations of it.</p>
<p>Note the &#8220;personally&#8221; and  &#8220;believe&#8221;  and &#8220;opinion&#8221; parts of my statements.   I suppose I should have worded my previous post: &#8220;To me, there&#8217;s no doubt&#8230;&#8221;     I&#8217;d give you a link to my brain so you can see my thought process but as of today, that technology just isn&#8217;t quite ready yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncinus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding HR 2977, it was written by UFO entusiasts, and lists a lot more than Chemtrails.  See the whole story here:

http://contrailscience.com/kucinich-chemtrails-and-hr-2977/

And regarding:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
There’s no doubt that the trails seen in the sky are much more than simple vapor contrails.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps for you there is no doubt, but for all the meteorologists, scientists, and even just regular people, it&#039;s the other way around, and since you are making the claim, can you present any evidence to support it.

Can you link to one photo that could not just be a regular contrail?  (And note, contrails are actually clouds of ice crystals).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding HR 2977, it was written by UFO entusiasts, and lists a lot more than Chemtrails.  See the whole story here:</p>
<p><a href="http://contrailscience.com/kucinich-chemtrails-and-hr-2977/" rel="nofollow">http://contrailscience.com/kucinich-chemtrails-and-hr-2977/</a></p>
<p>And regarding:</p>
<blockquote><p>
There’s no doubt that the trails seen in the sky are much more than simple vapor contrails.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps for you there is no doubt, but for all the meteorologists, scientists, and even just regular people, it&#8217;s the other way around, and since you are making the claim, can you present any evidence to support it.</p>
<p>Can you link to one photo that could not just be a regular contrail?  (And note, contrails are actually clouds of ice crystals).</p>
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		<title>By: MyComment</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still weighing all the facts but I do find it highly suspicious that the word &quot;chemtrails&quot; would be used in a congressional bill if they didn&#039;t exist or is just a hoax.
See HR 2977 from 2001.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h107-2977

Also, see cloud seeding:  http://science.howstuffworks.com/cloud-seeding1.htm.  Quote from that page:
&quot;Static cloud seeding involves spreading a chemical like silver iodide into clouds. The silver iodide provides a crystal around which moisture can condense. The moisture is already present in the clouds, but silver iodide essentially makes rain clouds more effective at dispensing their water.&quot;

There&#039;s no doubt that the trails seen in the sky are much more than simple vapor contrails.  My analogy of the whole conspiracy surrounding the trails is whether they are harmless or harmful.  This is where the evidence needs to point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still weighing all the facts but I do find it highly suspicious that the word &#8220;chemtrails&#8221; would be used in a congressional bill if they didn&#8217;t exist or is just a hoax.<br />
See HR 2977 from 2001.<br />
<a href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h107-2977" rel="nofollow">http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h107-2977</a></p>
<p>Also, see cloud seeding:  <a href="http://science.howstuffworks.com/cloud-seeding1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://science.howstuffworks.com/cloud-seeding1.htm</a>.  Quote from that page:<br />
&#8220;Static cloud seeding involves spreading a chemical like silver iodide into clouds. The silver iodide provides a crystal around which moisture can condense. The moisture is already present in the clouds, but silver iodide essentially makes rain clouds more effective at dispensing their water.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no doubt that the trails seen in the sky are much more than simple vapor contrails.  My analogy of the whole conspiracy surrounding the trails is whether they are harmless or harmful.  This is where the evidence needs to point.</p>
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		<title>By: uncommonsense</title>
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		<dc:creator>uncommonsense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 08:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real reason they don&#039;t want to believe it is they are told that a Shadow Government is responsible for chemtrail, fluoride in drinking water, 911, mercury in flu shots etc etc. put there to dumb down the population. To admit chemtrails are really contrails will bring into question everything else they are told is true, and the credibility of their sources. 
 ADMITTING THIS DOES NOT CHANGE THE POSSIBILITY OF THESE OTHER CONSPIRACIES OF BEING TRUE OR FALSE.
THEY ARE NOT RELATED. 
Sorry for mentioning things that are not related to Contrails or Chemtrails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real reason they don&#8217;t want to believe it is they are told that a Shadow Government is responsible for chemtrail, fluoride in drinking water, 911, mercury in flu shots etc etc. put there to dumb down the population. To admit chemtrails are really contrails will bring into question everything else they are told is true, and the credibility of their sources.<br />
 ADMITTING THIS DOES NOT CHANGE THE POSSIBILITY OF THESE OTHER CONSPIRACIES OF BEING TRUE OR FALSE.<br />
THEY ARE NOT RELATED.<br />
Sorry for mentioning things that are not related to Contrails or Chemtrails.</p>
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		<title>By: Faithinscience</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faithinscience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;are gettin too worked up&quot;

You wish, but hardly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;are gettin too worked up&#8221;</p>
<p>You wish, but hardly.</p>
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