I just snapped some photos of aerosol nozzles the other day,both in flight,and on the ground at an aircraft conversion facility.So its hardly a dead issue.

So where are these photos?

Where, for that matter, are any photos that YOU claim show something unusual, and cannot be explained by science?

I’d really like to see evidence of unusual contrails or planes spraying unusual trails. I invite you to show your evidence.

Your as off as off can be on my personal attributes. (Not surprising)
As for your mom, well your probably correct. I don’t bargain shop.

I’ll let you get the last word, it seems quite important to you.

Washandrinse, you seem like my kind of old gnarled whippersnapper. Randy as you may be, I’m pretty sure you never tangled with my mom in bomb-ridden Liverpool in 1943, when you were six.

So I ain’t calling you Pop.

“What the hell are you babbling about?” – That would be like finding out EXACTLY what YOU say.

Ah…..in a pig’s ear.

“what people are saying on them purposely putting contrails all over the sky” – Depends on whether they’re getting from A to B. Or not.

or perhaps c or d.

“With all your sarcasm, you should of realized I was making a point” – What point was that. LOL

Precisely. LMAO

“No. Not nearly as much. Random sightings perhaps, that’s about it” – Well – it’s like the weather, isn’t it? Sometimes it’s cloudy, sometimes sunny, sometimes clear. But in the STRATOSPHERE it’s almost always clear, even when it may be humid or dry, and because it’s layered, BOTH.

…..sure as sugar or shore as sun

“My answer to that…. whatever floats your boat son. I say son because it is entirely possible…” – ONLY IF YOU’RE EIGHTY-THREE

Seventy one actually, but I started early….. I guess it would only take effect if you were as good looking as me.

“What the hell are you babbling about?” – That would be like finding out EXACTLY what YOU say.

“what people are saying on them purposely putting contrails all over the sky” – Depends on whether they’re getting from A to B. Or not.

“have you pig’s ear with elevator music and cheap wine” – A hot favorite in Madrid. All three. Pig’s ear is called “minutejos”.

“With all your sarcasm, you should of realized I was making a point” – What point was that. LOL

“No. Not nearly as much. Random sightings perhaps, that’s about it” – Well – it’s like the weather, isn’t it? Sometimes it’s cloudy, sometimes sunny, sometimes clear. But in the STRATOSPHERE it’s almost always clear, even when it may be humid or dry, and because it’s layered, BOTH.

“My answer to that…. whatever floats your boat son. I say son because it is entirely possible…” – ONLY IF YOU’RE EIGHTY-THREE.

What the hell are you babbling about? (As usual it seems on this sight for this guy)

I’m talking about simply finding out their opinions on what people are saying on them purposely putting contrails all over the sky. You are obviously in another country or something, often you have difficulty with conversation comprehension.

So once all that stuff is explained, this whole debate will be closed –” In a pig’s ear!”

Yes, have you pig’s ear with elevator music and cheap wine.

Yes the weather is different in the troposphere – “Seems to me you are a bit wobbly on this topic. Where’s the troposphere, exactly?”

Probably between your ears, I made it clear, perfectly clear that I hadn’t fully researched that area, but was simply making a point. With all your sarcasm, you should of realized I was making a point.

The point is that plenty of good people are seeing the same –” It’s always been the same since it was first seen in 1921.”

No. Not nearly as much. Random sightings perhaps, that’s about it.

Personally if it were true it might not be a bad idea anyway – “Which, cooling the Earth, or randomly murdering people with systemic poisons or invasive nanobots?”

My answer to that…. whatever floats your boat son. I say son because it is entirely possible…

some of these planes seem to be flying lower than the daily cloud cover – the local cloud cover, then, is HIGHER cirrus and not LOWER cumulus

Have the “actual contrails” analyzed – They have been analyzed to death. Use “advanced search” to RULE OUT words like CHEMTRAIL and AEROSOL

find out what these Dreamworks people say – That would be like finding out what YOU say

verify the amount of increased flight traffic – Figures are available for flight traffic from various unrelated sources. There’s no problem there…

So once all that stuff is explained, this whole debate will be closed – In a pig’s ear! There appears to be an expanded market of punters and paranoids. ANYONE explaining anything is a SHILL

Yes the weather is different in the troposphere – Seems to me you are a bit wobbly on this topic. Where’s the troposphere, exactly?

The point is that plenty of good people are seeing the same – It’s always been the same since it was first seen in 1921.

Personally if it were true it might not be a bad idea anyway – Which, cooling the Earth, or randomly murdering people with systemic poisons or invasive nanobots?

Yes, it is surprising we don’t see more. Only four or five times a month in the area we are in.
If that many friggin’ jets are flying around up there it is peculiar weather conditions only permit this sporadically.
Especially at the times some of these planes seem to be flying lower than the daily cloud cover.

“Contrails are not as common as people might suggest, especially in the summer. ”

That is not only a crock, but it is indeed a super crock! Maybe even a crock and a half, or a crock & three quarters!

In this area all summer long persisting and expanding contrails are clearly visible to the naked eye,
( even to the clothed eye, that was a bad joke…..)

I won’t tell you the area, since you will probably check my ip address anyway and find out.

This whole thing can be solved once and for all very simply.
Have the “actual contrails” people see analyzed for content by some method,
I’m sure one such method must exist.

Find out where one of these planes takes off from and lands, exactly where…..why the hell not?
Is ther a method for that as well. Obviously I haven’t researched a lot of this…..I’m just free falling here…..

Speak directly to the animators and producers of these recent animated movies, like the team at Dreamworks etc…and find out what these people say.

Is there any vintage flight tracking data available? Obviously there must be some pre-1996, well somebody dig up that information and post it. So there can be compare and contrast. Why the hell not again?
This way we can verify the amount of increased flight traffic.

So once all that really nifty and fun-filled stuff is explained at a satisfactory level for all parties, this whole debate will be closed. Comprende?

As for memories, well…..(not the song)….. Myself, friends family etc, have been avid sky watchers since I was in short pants. We camped, hiked, played ball and always, always, looked at the sky. Did I say always?

Only a very, very small handful of times did any of us collectively agree that we witnessed those long white lines, then the expansion and all that cool stuff.

I was washing my car the other day and some guy working across the street asked me
“What the hell is going on up there?” I said I haven’t the foggiest. (no pun intended)
He and his friend remarked on the oddness of these planes and the activities.

A week before in the parking lot of Best Buy, some broad with her kid asked me the same thing.
We were both freaked out, a huge wispy sinister and strange looking trail was right above our heads at “what appeared” to be a significantly low altitude.

What are you gonna do…..?

Yes the weather is different in the troposphere. Yes humidity, winds, cold, altitude,speed and all that yawn inducing crap affects plane contrails. No sh@* Sherlock.
The point is that plenty of intelligent, grounded, reasonable, educated, observing, sober, and good people are seeing the same things.
Although, not in Russia, China, India or pockets of the middle east at all from what I’m gathering.
Not much jet traffic there?

Personally if it were true it might not be a bad idea anyway…..who knows?