Comments on: Some more WWII Contrails http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/ The Science and Pseudoscience of Contrails and Chemtrails Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:56:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: SR1419 http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/#comment-38659 SR1419 Fri, 05 Feb 2010 01:25:58 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/#comment-38659 Albert- You could hire one of Weather Mod Inc.'s atmospheric testing planes to go up and sample a contrail or 2 of your choice. Willing to put your money where your mouth is? Albert-

You could hire one of Weather Mod Inc.’s atmospheric testing planes to go up and sample a contrail or 2 of your choice.

Willing to put your money where your mouth is?

]]> By: SR1419 http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/#comment-38657 SR1419 Fri, 05 Feb 2010 01:12:44 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/#comment-38657 Albert- I guess I do not understand your point- can you clarify? The companies you mentioned use silver iodide to try and enhance precipitation- the ice flares are launched either from the ground or from a plane into pre-existing clouds. This has been practiced for over 50 years around the World. They have nothing to do with persistent contrails which can spread out into a haze of cirrus like clouds and do indeed amount to man-made cirrus clouds. Their properties are quite similar. What is it you are trying to say? Albert-

I guess I do not understand your point- can you clarify?

The companies you mentioned use silver iodide to try and enhance precipitation- the ice flares are launched either from the ground or from a plane into pre-existing clouds. This has been practiced for over 50 years around the World.

They have nothing to do with persistent contrails which can spread out into a haze of cirrus like clouds and do indeed amount to man-made cirrus clouds. Their properties are quite similar.

What is it you are trying to say?

]]> By: Albert A. http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/#comment-38638 Albert A. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:45:30 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/#comment-38638 www.iceflares.com www.weathermod.com So tell me... do these companies use water to supress rain? LOL please http://www.iceflares.com
http://www.weathermod.com

So tell me… do these companies use water to supress rain?
LOL please

]]> By: Albert A. http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/#comment-38637 Albert A. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:44:30 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/#comment-38637 Why is this guy calling a contrail a cloud. WTF Why would you call a contrail a cloud. So you insist that it is man made. So man is making clouds. WOW Why is this guy calling a contrail a cloud. WTF
Why would you call a contrail a cloud. So you insist that it is man made. So man is making clouds. WOW

]]> By: Uncinus http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/#comment-24161 Uncinus Thu, 28 May 2009 19:53:54 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/#comment-24161 Jerry, that's really fascinating. I was basing the caption on the <a href="http://www.390th.org/research/TopCover/topcover.htm" rel="nofollow">article on 390th.org</a>, where they claim that the name "Skippy" would be in shadow, but even in their article there is some doubt about the identification. I see the photo in the<a href="http://www.vcreporter.com/cms/story/detail/?id=5290&IssueNum=146" rel="nofollow"> Ventura County observer</a>, has the white streak in it, with a very different background to the airbrushed version. <img src="http://contrailscience.com/images/Contrails-JerryCole-VCReporter.jpg" alt="" /> Do you have a high resolution scan of this that I might publish? I would greatly prefer to be using as close to the original as possible, and would love to help you set this matter straight. Could you comment on the other photo (Contrails over Emden)? Do you think this was on the same mission? It's interesting that there are two similar photos, and probably many more. Once can certainly see how confusion could arise, especially after several years. If you have any other photos of contrails, I would be delighted to post them here. Jerry, that’s really fascinating. I was basing the caption on the article on 390th.org, where they claim that the name “Skippy” would be in shadow, but even in their article there is some doubt about the identification.

I see the photo in the Ventura County observer, has the white streak in it, with a very different background to the airbrushed version.

Do you have a high resolution scan of this that I might publish? I would greatly prefer to be using as close to the original as possible, and would love to help you set this matter straight.

Could you comment on the other photo (Contrails over Emden)? Do you think this was on the same mission? It’s interesting that there are two similar photos, and probably many more. Once can certainly see how confusion could arise, especially after several years. If you have any other photos of contrails, I would be delighted to post them here.

]]> By: Jerry Cole http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/#comment-24160 Jerry Cole Thu, 28 May 2009 19:26:49 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/#comment-24160 Please understand that the caption under the photograph "Top Cover" is incorrect, and has been for over 40 years.....How do I know? Simply, I took that photograph in 1943......I was a Combat Aerial Photograper with the 390th Bomb Group and I took that photograph that I have always called "Contrails"....Three Pilots of the 390th B.G. decided that they were in the lead plane of the photograph named "Skippy"......This is where they made their mistake.....I photographed "Skippy" twice, once in the USA and the second tme in England....The name is prominent on the nose of the plane and it does not show up in the photograph....How do I know?....I have an origional contact print from the origional negative and the there is no name on the nose of that plane in the foreground, so ( It's NOT "Skippy") This print has been examined many times by professional photographers ( I happen to be a Commercial Photographer )myself and the conclusion is always the same, the officers that made that claim as to who took the photograph is not true, nor were they in that lead plane....I recently have come back from England and was invited to speak to the Veterans and their familys at a Banquet of the 95th BG (Square B) and the 390th BG (Square J)as to the conditions that I took the photograph....If anyone is interested i will provide that information....My phone # 805-983-4887 I live in Oxnard CA Please understand that the caption under the photograph “Top Cover” is incorrect, and has been for over 40 years…..How do I know? Simply, I took that photograph in 1943……I was a Combat Aerial Photograper with the 390th Bomb Group and I took that photograph that I have always called “Contrails”….Three Pilots of the 390th B.G. decided that they were in the lead plane of the photograph named “Skippy”……This is where they made their mistake…..I photographed “Skippy” twice, once in the USA and the second tme in England….The name is prominent on the nose of the plane and it does not show up in the photograph….How do I know?….I have an origional contact print from the origional negative and the there is no name on the nose of that plane in the foreground, so ( It’s NOT “Skippy”) This print has been examined many times by professional photographers ( I happen to be a Commercial Photographer )myself and the conclusion is always the same, the officers that made that claim as to who took the photograph is not true, nor were they in that lead plane….I recently have come back from England and was invited to speak to the Veterans and their familys at a Banquet of the 95th BG (Square B) and the 390th BG (Square J)as to the conditions that I took the photograph….If anyone is interested i will provide that information….My phone # 805-983-4887 I live in Oxnard CA

]]> By: Uncinus http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/#comment-3420 Uncinus Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:40:52 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/#comment-3420 Here's a link to a study on this subject: http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass/pub/conference/Minnis.abs.ARAMS.02.pdf Here’s a link to a study on this subject:

http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass/pub/conference/Minnis.abs.ARAMS.02.pdf

]]> By: Jim S. http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/#comment-3419 Jim S. Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:30:34 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/#comment-3419 I saw a program on global dimming that had pictures of contrails the day prior to 911 and the study of the pictures for the three days after 911 when there were no planes flying over the US. Where can I find these so that I may show one of my friends that is interested. I saw a program on global dimming that had pictures of contrails the day prior to 911 and the study of the pictures for the three days after 911 when there were no planes flying over the US. Where can I find these so that I may show one of my friends that is interested.

]]> By: Uncinus http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/#comment-2906 Uncinus Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:04:29 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/#comment-2906 I assume you mean the horizontal stabilizer - which looks like two small wings at the tail of the plane: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/airplane.html Contrails are usually generated by the engine exhaust (which is basically steam and carbon dioxide). Probably what you saw was the engine contrails just starting to become visible at the tail of the plane, so it looks like they are coming from the tips of the stabilizer. You see this a lot, and it's one of the common. See question #10 in this post: http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/ I assume you mean the horizontal stabilizer – which looks like two small wings at the tail of the plane:

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/airplane.html

Contrails are usually generated by the engine exhaust (which is basically steam and carbon dioxide). Probably what you saw was the engine contrails just starting to become visible at the tail of the plane, so it looks like they are coming from the tips of the stabilizer. You see this a lot, and it’s one of the common. See question #10 in this post:

http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/

]]> By: Shorack http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/#comment-2905 Shorack Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:22:21 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/#comment-2905 Something else. I recently saw a short clip of a plane. But only the tail wings (i don't know if that's the correct name, but i suppose it is clear what i'm referring to) left a contrail. Found that quite odd, hard to imagine that the difference between two layers would be that radical. So what's the mechanism in this case? (or is it really that radical? :s) Something else.
I recently saw a short clip of a plane.
But only the tail wings (i don’t know if that’s the correct name, but i suppose it is clear what i’m referring to) left a contrail.

Found that quite odd, hard to imagine that the difference between two layers would be that radical.
So what’s the mechanism in this case? (or is it really that radical? :s)

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