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		<title>By: Uncinus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I answered that here:

http://contrailscience.com/chemtrail-myths/#comment-5185</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I answered that here:</p>
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		<title>By: Cueball</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/pre-wwii-contrails/#comment-5199</link>
		<dc:creator>Cueball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in answer to the question by Quotodt ??? &lt;blockquote&gt; We are seeing HUGE contrails forming at levels as low as 25-30%. Can you explain this via the “normal” explanation? &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in answer to the question by Quotodt ???<br />
<blockquote> We are seeing HUGE contrails forming at levels as low as 25-30%. Can you explain this via the “normal” explanation? </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Uncinus</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/pre-wwii-contrails/#comment-5186</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that YOU deny persistent contrails.   I quote from your article:
http://sydney.indymedia.org.au/story/unusual-aircraft-contrails-linked-bird-deaths-esperance-western-australia

&lt;blockquote&gt;There needs to be a high Relative Humidity level in the upper atmosphere where commercial aircraft fly to form any sort of &quot;persistent contrail&quot;. This is generally regarded as a RH of %60 and above. &lt;b&gt;Even then, the &quot;persistent contrail&quot; will simply break apart and fade away after an hour or so. This is not the case with these particular aircraft contrails which hand in the air and form a thick &quot;haze&quot; over the area until blown away by the wind.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Which is directly contradicting known science.   For example, see the Encyclopædia Britannica article on  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9074829/vapour-trail&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; vapour trails (contrails):&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;span class=&quot;querybold&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Contrail, &lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: italic&quot;&gt; streamer of cloud sometimes observed behind an airplane flying in clear, cold, humid air. It forms upon condensation of the water vapour produced by the combustion of fuel in the airplane engines. When the ambient relative humidity is high, the resulting &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: bold; font-style: italic&quot;&gt;ice-crystal plume may last for several hours&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: italic&quot;&gt;. The trail may be distorted by the winds, and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: bold; font-style: italic&quot;&gt;someti&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: bold; font-style: italic&quot;&gt;mes it spreads outwards to form a layer of cirrus cloud.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 78%&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;querybold&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;citationText&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;vapour trail&lt;/strong&gt;.            (2007).           In &lt;em&gt;Encyclopædia Britannica.&lt;/em&gt;Retrieved May 4, 2007,from Encyclopædia Britannica           Online: &lt;span class=&quot;articleUrl&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9074829&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9074829&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Also see &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=q0QI19T_POkC&amp;dq=Field+Guide+to+the+Atmosphere&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Field Guide to the Atmosphere&lt;/a&gt;&quot;, by Schaefer and Day, 1981:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: italic&quot;&gt;Sometimes [contrails] are ephemeral and dissipate as quickly as they form; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: bold; font-style: italic&quot;&gt;other times they persist and grow wide enough to cover a substantial portion of the sky with a sheet of cirrostratus&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style: italic&quot;&gt;&quot;&lt;/span&gt; (Page 137)&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that YOU deny persistent contrails.   I quote from your article:<br />
<a href="http://sydney.indymedia.org.au/story/unusual-aircraft-contrails-linked-bird-deaths-esperance-western-australia" rel="nofollow">http://sydney.indymedia.org.au/story/unusual-aircraft-contrails-linked-bird-deaths-esperance-western-australia</a></p>
<blockquote><p>There needs to be a high Relative Humidity level in the upper atmosphere where commercial aircraft fly to form any sort of &#8220;persistent contrail&#8221;. This is generally regarded as a RH of %60 and above. <b>Even then, the &#8220;persistent contrail&#8221; will simply break apart and fade away after an hour or so. This is not the case with these particular aircraft contrails which hand in the air and form a thick &#8220;haze&#8221; over the area until blown away by the wind.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>Which is directly contradicting known science.   For example, see the Encyclopædia Britannica article on  <a href="http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9074829/vapour-trail" rel="nofollow"> vapour trails (contrails):</a><br />
<span class="querybold"></span></p>
<blockquote><p><em><strong>Contrail, </strong> </em><span style="font-style: italic"> streamer of cloud sometimes observed behind an airplane flying in clear, cold, humid air. It forms upon condensation of the water vapour produced by the combustion of fuel in the airplane engines. When the ambient relative humidity is high, the resulting </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic">ice-crystal plume may last for several hours</span><span style="font-style: italic">. The trail may be distorted by the winds, and </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic">someti</span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic">mes it spreads outwards to form a layer of cirrus cloud.</span><br />
<span style="font-size: 78%"><span class="querybold"><span class="citationText"><strong>vapour trail</strong>.            (2007).           In <em>Encyclopædia Britannica.</em>Retrieved May 4, 2007,from Encyclopædia Britannica           Online: <span class="articleUrl"><a href="http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9074829" rel="nofollow">http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9074829</a></span></span></span></span></p></blockquote>
<p>Also see &#8220;<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=q0QI19T_POkC&amp;dq=Field+Guide+to+the+Atmosphere" rel="nofollow">A Field Guide to the Atmosphere</a>&#8220;, by Schaefer and Day, 1981:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;<span style="font-style: italic">Sometimes [contrails] are ephemeral and dissipate as quickly as they form; </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic">other times they persist and grow wide enough to cover a substantial portion of the sky with a sheet of cirrostratus</span><span style="font-style: italic">&#8220;</span> (Page 137)</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: QuoTodt</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/pre-wwii-contrails/#comment-5183</link>
		<dc:creator>QuoTodt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You CONTINUE to erect your Straw Man and then pummel him as if you are Ghengis Kahn on the war path.

NO ONE who has more than a passing interest in this subject denies persistent contrails.

Listen up...

&lt;blockquote&gt;It should be stated, however, that this water vapor would have to be discharged into air which was very cold and nearly saturated.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Note the &quot;nearly saturated&quot; comment. We are seeing HUGE contrails forming at levels as low as 25-30%. Can you explain this via the &quot;normal&quot; explanation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You CONTINUE to erect your Straw Man and then pummel him as if you are Ghengis Kahn on the war path.</p>
<p>NO ONE who has more than a passing interest in this subject denies persistent contrails.</p>
<p>Listen up&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>It should be stated, however, that this water vapor would have to be discharged into air which was very cold and nearly saturated.</p></blockquote>
<p>Note the &#8220;nearly saturated&#8221; comment. We are seeing HUGE contrails forming at levels as low as 25-30%. Can you explain this via the &#8220;normal&#8221; explanation?</p>
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