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		<title>By: JazzRoc</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/people-dont-notice-contrails/#comment-44759</link>
		<dc:creator>JazzRoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 23:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kelly: &lt;blockquote&gt;I do recall a time though when I thought I knew the facts, or, rather like everyone else does - told myself what I wanted to hear and then went on to discover that my actions set me back physically for months. All is better now though, thanks.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Whoa, there. You&#039;ve a &lt;i&gt;tendency&lt;/i&gt;, and you haven&#039;t lost it at all.

You would do better to take the step offered you. Learn the facts that &lt;i&gt;prove&lt;/i&gt; that chemtrails are a myth, and move on to something more useful - like discovering a &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; conspiracy somewhere, or finding out the true causes of pollution in your environment.

You wouldn&#039;t want yourself to be found acting as a passive support to people who, using &quot;chemtrails&quot; as their ruse, actually ARE posting mendacious disinformation, advocating fake potions and artefacts, and/or armed militias dedicated to the overthrow of your government, would you?

If you don&#039;t take this advice you WILL repeat the above mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kelly:<br />
<blockquote>I do recall a time though when I thought I knew the facts, or, rather like everyone else does &#8211; told myself what I wanted to hear and then went on to discover that my actions set me back physically for months. All is better now though, thanks.</p></blockquote>
<p>Whoa, there. You&#8217;ve a <i>tendency</i>, and you haven&#8217;t lost it at all.</p>
<p>You would do better to take the step offered you. Learn the facts that <i>prove</i> that chemtrails are a myth, and move on to something more useful &#8211; like discovering a <i>real</i> conspiracy somewhere, or finding out the true causes of pollution in your environment.</p>
<p>You wouldn&#8217;t want yourself to be found acting as a passive support to people who, using &#8220;chemtrails&#8221; as their ruse, actually ARE posting mendacious disinformation, advocating fake potions and artefacts, and/or armed militias dedicated to the overthrow of your government, would you?</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t take this advice you WILL repeat the above mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: captfitch</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/people-dont-notice-contrails/#comment-44757</link>
		<dc:creator>captfitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Go ahead just quietly say it to your self …is it possible.. how exciting it would be and proceed with the assumption that something unusual is happening now.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think this is half the problem with the chemtrail beleivers- or many conspiracy theorists for that matter.  It IS fun to believe in these types of things for several reasons.  It&#039;s fun to try and put together the clues, it&#039;s fun to notice the phenomena, and it&#039;s fun to think that you&#039;re on the &quot;inside&quot; of some plan.  On the other hand it&#039;s not so much fun or exciting just recognizing the truth.  Plus it&#039;s much more complex and dry with virtually no mystery or intrigue.   

Why don&#039;t you look for the real reasons behind these trails.  I know it won&#039;t be as much fun but once you start seeing the patterns and the reasons they exist it will be quite clear that no one is doing anything malicious.  

I&#039;m reminded of a line in a song:

&quot;at age seven he imagined the moon overhead followed him.  By nine he had deciphered the illusion, trading magic for fact.  No trade backs.  So this is what it&#039;s like to be an adult.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Go ahead just quietly say it to your self …is it possible.. how exciting it would be and proceed with the assumption that something unusual is happening now.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think this is half the problem with the chemtrail beleivers- or many conspiracy theorists for that matter.  It IS fun to believe in these types of things for several reasons.  It&#8217;s fun to try and put together the clues, it&#8217;s fun to notice the phenomena, and it&#8217;s fun to think that you&#8217;re on the &#8220;inside&#8221; of some plan.  On the other hand it&#8217;s not so much fun or exciting just recognizing the truth.  Plus it&#8217;s much more complex and dry with virtually no mystery or intrigue.   </p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you look for the real reasons behind these trails.  I know it won&#8217;t be as much fun but once you start seeing the patterns and the reasons they exist it will be quite clear that no one is doing anything malicious.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of a line in a song:</p>
<p>&#8220;at age seven he imagined the moon overhead followed him.  By nine he had deciphered the illusion, trading magic for fact.  No trade backs.  So this is what it&#8217;s like to be an adult.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/people-dont-notice-contrails/#comment-44745</link>
		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 14:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... not so much .....  I do recall a time though when I thought I knew the facts or rather like everyone else does- told myself what I wanted to hear and then went on to discover that my actions set me back physically for months.. all is better now though.Thanks. yes it may be true now that figures never lie but liars may often figure. contrails/chemtrails may be explained various ways. I do not know why they are present but they are in the sky every single day all winter long every single day. It may start out sunny or clear overhead but still hazy in the distance but you can count on it becoming overcast and staying that way  for the remainder of the day. The first time I noticed was about 5 years ago. It was a cold and crisp January morning  sunny and clear not a cloud to be seen. When a jet flew overhead leaving a white trail that extended from one end of the sky to the other within a short time another flew overhead leaving the same trail. Looking back this is the first time I can say that I witnessed a contrail/chemtrail. Now the tails did&#039;t go away instead they just hung there puffing up and expanding.They were there 20 to 30 minutes? So I started to take notice. I mentioned to a coworker and he said it was cold out. Huuhh? Having to get back to work i couldn&#039;t stand there and continue to watch. As I was growing up I wanted to be a pilot I would spend much time watching the skys. I  hadn&#039;t witnessed  anything like it before. I didn&#039;t think to much of it and I&#039;m skeptical by nature. What a shame. At that time I knew there was information out there on contrails/chemtrails but I hadn&#039;t made any inquiries. It took me until this winter 5 years later to gather information. After day after day after day waiting to to see a sunny clear day or a day with cotton ball clouds I told myself wake up! YES the sky is overcast and dreary. This is not the sky I grew up with. As i watch these trails left behind that don&#039;t go away and that just hang there. They are not what was normal in times past. Yes I will consider it in my best interest to conclude that there is something fishy going on. Considering what I know about history I think that would be wise. Go ahead just quietly say it to your self ...is it possible.. how exciting it would be  and proceed with the assumption that something unusual is happening now. I will admit I make mistakes I&#039;m human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; not so much &#8230;..  I do recall a time though when I thought I knew the facts or rather like everyone else does- told myself what I wanted to hear and then went on to discover that my actions set me back physically for months.. all is better now though.Thanks. yes it may be true now that figures never lie but liars may often figure. contrails/chemtrails may be explained various ways. I do not know why they are present but they are in the sky every single day all winter long every single day. It may start out sunny or clear overhead but still hazy in the distance but you can count on it becoming overcast and staying that way  for the remainder of the day. The first time I noticed was about 5 years ago. It was a cold and crisp January morning  sunny and clear not a cloud to be seen. When a jet flew overhead leaving a white trail that extended from one end of the sky to the other within a short time another flew overhead leaving the same trail. Looking back this is the first time I can say that I witnessed a contrail/chemtrail. Now the tails did&#8217;t go away instead they just hung there puffing up and expanding.They were there 20 to 30 minutes? So I started to take notice. I mentioned to a coworker and he said it was cold out. Huuhh? Having to get back to work i couldn&#8217;t stand there and continue to watch. As I was growing up I wanted to be a pilot I would spend much time watching the skys. I  hadn&#8217;t witnessed  anything like it before. I didn&#8217;t think to much of it and I&#8217;m skeptical by nature. What a shame. At that time I knew there was information out there on contrails/chemtrails but I hadn&#8217;t made any inquiries. It took me until this winter 5 years later to gather information. After day after day after day waiting to to see a sunny clear day or a day with cotton ball clouds I told myself wake up! YES the sky is overcast and dreary. This is not the sky I grew up with. As i watch these trails left behind that don&#8217;t go away and that just hang there. They are not what was normal in times past. Yes I will consider it in my best interest to conclude that there is something fishy going on. Considering what I know about history I think that would be wise. Go ahead just quietly say it to your self &#8230;is it possible.. how exciting it would be  and proceed with the assumption that something unusual is happening now. I will admit I make mistakes I&#8217;m human.</p>
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		<title>By: JazzRoc</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/people-dont-notice-contrails/#comment-44744</link>
		<dc:creator>JazzRoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 08:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What harm does it do to err on the side of &lt;i&gt;caution&lt;/i&gt;?

Quite a lot. Even responding to such a request is an error.

You wouldn&#039;t be asking the question if you hadn&#039;t in the first place &quot;erred on the side of&quot; - ignorance, from which you drawn a full set of wrong conclusions.

Planes have to produce water because they burn a hydrocarbon fuel. This water must appear in the air behind the plane, and does - as ice crystals. If the air were perfectly dry up there, ALL the trail ice would sublime into water vapor up there.

But it isn&#039;t. It already contains a measure of water vapor within it - typically something in the order of 70% of its maximum capacity. The air may only accept either all of the ice crystal trail, part of it, or none of it, depending on its ambient humidity, the state of which is not visible from the ground. All degrees of humidity are equally invisible to an onlooker. Large trails are possibly purer than your tapwater because they have pure water vapor ADDED TO THEM by a factor of up to ten thousand times.

All these facts have been known for nearly a hundred years and are freely available on the Web. Hundreds of studies are available. ALL the facts are known, ALL the tests have been made.

You will NEVER find them until you EXCLUDE the words CHEMTRAIL and AEROSOL (for instance) from your search.

Until you do, you will be in the following scenario: you&#039;re a schoolchild going to science class, but you can&#039;t hear the teacher because there are blindfolded students with megaphones telling you teacher is a liar. They are wearing pointed hats with a &quot;D&quot; on them.

What does the D stand for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What harm does it do to err on the side of <i>caution</i>?</p>
<p>Quite a lot. Even responding to such a request is an error.</p>
<p>You wouldn&#8217;t be asking the question if you hadn&#8217;t in the first place &#8220;erred on the side of&#8221; &#8211; ignorance, from which you drawn a full set of wrong conclusions.</p>
<p>Planes have to produce water because they burn a hydrocarbon fuel. This water must appear in the air behind the plane, and does &#8211; as ice crystals. If the air were perfectly dry up there, ALL the trail ice would sublime into water vapor up there.</p>
<p>But it isn&#8217;t. It already contains a measure of water vapor within it &#8211; typically something in the order of 70% of its maximum capacity. The air may only accept either all of the ice crystal trail, part of it, or none of it, depending on its ambient humidity, the state of which is not visible from the ground. All degrees of humidity are equally invisible to an onlooker. Large trails are possibly purer than your tapwater because they have pure water vapor ADDED TO THEM by a factor of up to ten thousand times.</p>
<p>All these facts have been known for nearly a hundred years and are freely available on the Web. Hundreds of studies are available. ALL the facts are known, ALL the tests have been made.</p>
<p>You will NEVER find them until you EXCLUDE the words CHEMTRAIL and AEROSOL (for instance) from your search.</p>
<p>Until you do, you will be in the following scenario: you&#8217;re a schoolchild going to science class, but you can&#8217;t hear the teacher because there are blindfolded students with megaphones telling you teacher is a liar. They are wearing pointed hats with a &#8220;D&#8221; on them.</p>
<p>What does the D stand for?</p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/people-dont-notice-contrails/#comment-44741</link>
		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 05:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Everyone ......This reminds me of an experiment  that was performed to see the effects of peer pressure and to see it was truly amazing. The participants are lead  into a classroom the pretense I don&#039;t recall. There was somewhere between 6-10 people and a person of authority dressed in a white uniform. Then after the rules of engagement are explained  the show begins.  In one test the volunteers  are shown on paper 4 lines of which all are clearly different lengths with 2 being closer in length but still with out a doubt 1 is longer than the other. The test subjects are asked one by one which line is the longest a,b,c,or d and one by one they dismiss the longest line and choose  the shorter line until its williams turn ( that may or may not be his name but I like William) and William says with a confident voice c.  The participants are asked once again one by one which line is longer and to Williams dismay each one says the shorter line b. The process continues again around the seated circle and stops with William he again says c and with the look on his face you can feel his dismay. He is truly perplexed because c is clearly without question the longest line...This same scenario  continues on and on until william seems to just give in he finds it easier to just go along and even starts to actually have doubt. Seriously by repetition and the desire to fit in William actually changed his answer to b ! Yes it did happen look it up...Oh yes did I mention they were all (except William) instructed to give the wrong answer....He changed his answer that he new was absolutely right by peer pressure within 10 minutes ..please be informed ...what harm does it do to error on the side of caution??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Everyone &#8230;&#8230;This reminds me of an experiment  that was performed to see the effects of peer pressure and to see it was truly amazing. The participants are lead  into a classroom the pretense I don&#8217;t recall. There was somewhere between 6-10 people and a person of authority dressed in a white uniform. Then after the rules of engagement are explained  the show begins.  In one test the volunteers  are shown on paper 4 lines of which all are clearly different lengths with 2 being closer in length but still with out a doubt 1 is longer than the other. The test subjects are asked one by one which line is the longest a,b,c,or d and one by one they dismiss the longest line and choose  the shorter line until its williams turn ( that may or may not be his name but I like William) and William says with a confident voice c.  The participants are asked once again one by one which line is longer and to Williams dismay each one says the shorter line b. The process continues again around the seated circle and stops with William he again says c and with the look on his face you can feel his dismay. He is truly perplexed because c is clearly without question the longest line&#8230;This same scenario  continues on and on until william seems to just give in he finds it easier to just go along and even starts to actually have doubt. Seriously by repetition and the desire to fit in William actually changed his answer to b ! Yes it did happen look it up&#8230;Oh yes did I mention they were all (except William) instructed to give the wrong answer&#8230;.He changed his answer that he new was absolutely right by peer pressure within 10 minutes ..please be informed &#8230;what harm does it do to error on the side of caution??</p>
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		<title>By: captfitch</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/people-dont-notice-contrails/#comment-44725</link>
		<dc:creator>captfitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 04:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t worry too much about the individuals who write posts like the above for a couple reasons.  Primarily they are so far gone that would be fence-sitters can easily dismiss them.  Secondly, thier views are so off the wall that I&#039;m confident they won&#039;t take any action.  I fear the individual who has a firm grasp on reality but also is prone to conspiracy, which along with being fun to believe in, can also be a fun hobby to devote time to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t worry too much about the individuals who write posts like the above for a couple reasons.  Primarily they are so far gone that would be fence-sitters can easily dismiss them.  Secondly, thier views are so off the wall that I&#8217;m confident they won&#8217;t take any action.  I fear the individual who has a firm grasp on reality but also is prone to conspiracy, which along with being fun to believe in, can also be a fun hobby to devote time to.</p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/people-dont-notice-contrails/#comment-44723</link>
		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 02:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the grass is a shade of green and the sky some sort of bright blue blue and that is how it supposed to be. who doesn&#039;t enjoy a sunny day? I think there are as many different types of people as there are people. Do you really want to know what is going on? Do you want to acknowledge what is possible regardless of the consequences if it feels sickly or makes your stomach turn or you feel an absolute will to never be misled because you will always seek the truth whenever it may be. THe ones responsible will be....He will destroy those that destroy the earth.... believe it or not..and yes there appears to be something sinister going on...Dumb your self down if you want because people are easily misled  OR seek and you will find and seek and ye will find and may those that are chosen be given unwavering faith to endure until it is finished and yes it is easter and there is one whom you should fear ..... Good day and Have an amazing time....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the grass is a shade of green and the sky some sort of bright blue blue and that is how it supposed to be. who doesn&#8217;t enjoy a sunny day? I think there are as many different types of people as there are people. Do you really want to know what is going on? Do you want to acknowledge what is possible regardless of the consequences if it feels sickly or makes your stomach turn or you feel an absolute will to never be misled because you will always seek the truth whenever it may be. THe ones responsible will be&#8230;.He will destroy those that destroy the earth&#8230;. believe it or not..and yes there appears to be something sinister going on&#8230;Dumb your self down if you want because people are easily misled  OR seek and you will find and seek and ye will find and may those that are chosen be given unwavering faith to endure until it is finished and yes it is easter and there is one whom you should fear &#8230;.. Good day and Have an amazing time&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: SR1419</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/people-dont-notice-contrails/#comment-34735</link>
		<dc:creator>SR1419</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;chosen to disregard the actual evidence that does exist as seen in the special aired on Discovery channel and many other independent analyses of persistent contrails and their fallout. There are spray days and non-spray days. You will allege that the difference is merely atmospheric when in fact those of us making observations have noted that the persistent contrail leavers aren’t even in the air on non-spray days.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Huh? 

the only &quot;evidence&quot; of supposed &quot;chemtrails&quot; is that they persist and contrails supposedly don&#039;t. There has not been single sample of contrail- an actual sample of contrail- that has shows to contain anything other than would be expected in jet exhaust. 

Asserting that a &quot;sample&quot; taken from the ground is from a contrail is simply not logical. It is without scientific precedent and should not be considered &quot;evidence&quot;. 

Can you provide any source material for these &quot;many other independent analysis &quot;-  please tell me you have more than will thomas or carnicon...


If contrails actually do persist...then how do you know there are &quot;spray&quot; days and non-&quot;spray&quot; days...

&quot;persistent contrail leavers aren’t even in the air on non-spray days.&quot;  - this doesn&#039;t even make sense...persistent contrail &quot;leavers&quot; are any plane who flies thru the right atmospheric conditions...do all planes stop flying on those days?

Please help me understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>chosen to disregard the actual evidence that does exist as seen in the special aired on Discovery channel and many other independent analyses of persistent contrails and their fallout. There are spray days and non-spray days. You will allege that the difference is merely atmospheric when in fact those of us making observations have noted that the persistent contrail leavers aren’t even in the air on non-spray days.</p></blockquote>
<p>Huh? </p>
<p>the only &#8220;evidence&#8221; of supposed &#8220;chemtrails&#8221; is that they persist and contrails supposedly don&#8217;t. There has not been single sample of contrail- an actual sample of contrail- that has shows to contain anything other than would be expected in jet exhaust. </p>
<p>Asserting that a &#8220;sample&#8221; taken from the ground is from a contrail is simply not logical. It is without scientific precedent and should not be considered &#8220;evidence&#8221;. </p>
<p>Can you provide any source material for these &#8220;many other independent analysis &#8220;-  please tell me you have more than will thomas or carnicon&#8230;</p>
<p>If contrails actually do persist&#8230;then how do you know there are &#8220;spray&#8221; days and non-&#8221;spray&#8221; days&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;persistent contrail leavers aren’t even in the air on non-spray days.&#8221;  &#8211; this doesn&#8217;t even make sense&#8230;persistent contrail &#8220;leavers&#8221; are any plane who flies thru the right atmospheric conditions&#8230;do all planes stop flying on those days?</p>
<p>Please help me understand.</p>
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		<title>By: CLEAR SKIES ENTHUSIAST</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/people-dont-notice-contrails/#comment-34691</link>
		<dc:creator>CLEAR SKIES ENTHUSIAST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 08:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; And your house blocks my view of the nature under it. Please tear it down! See how ridiculous that is?!? 
Yes, QUITE!  I own my house and the nature under it, you and the persistent contrail leavers on the other hand DO NOT own the sky.  F&#039;ing ridiculous analogy.

&gt; And since there is ZERO evidence to support any claim that anyone is spraying anything, there is no reason to believe there is any such thing. 
Clearly you have chosen to disregard the actual evidence that does exist as seen in the special aired on Discovery channel and many other independent analyses of persistent contrails and their fallout.  There are spray days and non-spray days.  You will allege that the difference is merely atmospheric when in fact those of us making observations have noted that the persistent contrail leavers aren&#039;t even in the air on non-spray days.

&gt; I may be “dangerously naive” but that’s better than pathetically paranoid ANY day of the week.
Sure, but not nearly as good as open-minded and observant of all sources of information, no matter how contrary to one&#039;s own world view.  I love clouds too, just not the linear unattractive man made ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; And your house blocks my view of the nature under it. Please tear it down! See how ridiculous that is?!?<br />
Yes, QUITE!  I own my house and the nature under it, you and the persistent contrail leavers on the other hand DO NOT own the sky.  F&#8217;ing ridiculous analogy.</p>
<p>&gt; And since there is ZERO evidence to support any claim that anyone is spraying anything, there is no reason to believe there is any such thing.<br />
Clearly you have chosen to disregard the actual evidence that does exist as seen in the special aired on Discovery channel and many other independent analyses of persistent contrails and their fallout.  There are spray days and non-spray days.  You will allege that the difference is merely atmospheric when in fact those of us making observations have noted that the persistent contrail leavers aren&#8217;t even in the air on non-spray days.</p>
<p>&gt; I may be “dangerously naive” but that’s better than pathetically paranoid ANY day of the week.<br />
Sure, but not nearly as good as open-minded and observant of all sources of information, no matter how contrary to one&#8217;s own world view.  I love clouds too, just not the linear unattractive man made ones.</p>
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		<title>By: JazzRoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>JazzRoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tastic!</description>
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