I wanted to post a comment on these hole punch clouds. Uncinus, the explanation you gave for the holes in the clouds is very logical. I do wonder why some of these holes are round. That’s not to say they’re made by HAARP or something however.

On that note I have heard that some people believe these clouds are caused by experiments involving directing high energy ion or particle beams into the atmosphere.

I’m a long time science and science fiction buff and as such I have a fascination with the concept of energy weapons. I studied lasers in college for a while and I can tell you that lasers do NOT make good weapons in real life. Neither do ions, particle beams, or plasma. The reason plasma doesn’t make a good weapon is largely related to the fact it cools rapidly. As for the lasers, ions and particles (I.E protons, neutrons, etc) the reason is largely scale and power consumption issues.

The ABL (air born laser) being tested by the airforce, right out in the open, in the ‘white’ as they say has been out there for some time in plain view. It’s a chemical laser (COIL, or Chemical Oxygen Iodine Laser) which can indeed shoot down missiles or small aircraft. It is also so big it HAS to be in the body of a jumbo cargo plane. The main part of the laser consists of five modules the size of refrigerators. It requires several tanks of chemicals to be hauled along with it for lasing. With particle beams and ions the problems are very similar. All these devices are extremely inefficient. You get very little ‘bang for your buck’ so to speak. Hardly anything you put in in terms of electrical, optical or chemical energy comes out as laser or ion emission, etc. That’s entropy; a well known scientific law.

Now in the case that it’s been said that the government or military is blasting clouds with ion beams you must keep in mind that while there ARE accelerators capable of firing linear beams of particles at high energies (LinAcs as they’re called, or Linear Accelerators) they tend to be huge and not very portable. Also the bigger they get the less efficient they become and you need even MORE power to make them run, and unlike a laser beam which can be directed or ’steered’ via the use of optics like mirrors and prisms, particle beams need to be steered by the use of powerful magnetic fields. Again, not easy to set up.

Now back in the nineties there was a project designed at building a plasma cannon at Los Alamos at which they did indeed design a device which fired weapons grade ‘donuts’ of extremely hot plasma-which propagated all of a few meters before they cooled and dispersed. The project was allegedly shelfed or entirely dismantled because it wasn’t getting results.

Now, I’ve heard the arguments that Well in that particular interest they only TOLD people it was dismantled because they actually LIKED what they were seeing and didn’t want it to become common knowledge that we had a plasma gun in the works.’

I’ve also heard the beliefs that society has generally been fooled, and that the true level of science in the world and of technical achievement is actually far in excess of what the population is led to believe. I tend to take a somewhat dim view of that train of thought; That’s not to say that it probably isn’t at least partially true in some areas of science. But I rather doubt that the world’s elite are actually taking antigravity luxury carts to Mars for vacations under our noses. I don’t really believe in back engineered alien weaponry.

Why? Well, simple. Imagine taking the SR 71 back in time to the court of King Richard the Lionheart and asking one of his subjects to explain what it was and how it worked. It is highly unlikely that they could come up with anything other than that it was designed to fly, given its vague and general resemblance to a bird. They could not have known anything about the principles of aerodynamics, avionics, stealth technology, composites, electromagnetics or any of the other host of technologies that make it work.

To suppose that we could take a piece of alien technology that could be hundreds of thousands or millions of years ahead of us and understand it in fifty years is similarly unbelievable and more, by orders of magnitude. That’s not to say I don’t believe in UFOs, I’ve seen a number of them in fact. I simply don’t believe we could understand how something like that functions, in generally what amounts to over night.

So, is it possible that some areas of science are more advanced than what we generally believe? It’s possible.

Is it possible that, the government or the military would want to experiment with powered directed energy weapons? There is no doubt of that. There are many instances of this right out in the open such as HELADS and Nautilus.

Is it possible that the government or elements within it are corrupt, self-serving and do not wish to have found out what their true motives are? Again, I have no doubt of that. The old adage, ‘Absolute power, corrupts absolutely,’ is still quite true as is the saying ‘Thieves in the night shun the light.’

So does that mean the government is ‘out to get us’? Or that they have super secret plasma, tectonic, ultrasonic and psychotronic weapons?

Well, that I can’t answer. But it is a pretty strange world.

So, the contrail you speak of here is more likely the water particles that are dropping from the hole. I don’t buy planes being the cause when most of these rare formations are circular. consider other options?

They tend to be circular because they are the result of INSTABILITY in the surrounding stratosphere.

In the case of “distrails” or “fallstreak clouds” some point in the the thin saturated air – just some single point – will “trade off” energy to deposit MORE ice on a very small (relatively) number of ice crystals. The reduction in temperature required reduces the average velocity of the air molecules and so the surrounding air becomes DENSER. This denser air falls through its lighter surroundings. The increased movements offers further opportunities to deposit even more ice onto the falling crystals. The faster these crystals fall through their surrounding air, the heavier they will get. The heavier they get the faster they fall.

It’s definitely a classic instability. Before it begins there seems hardly a chance to begin it. Once it begins, there is hardly a chance to stop it.

SO in the centre of these “distrails” (made by airplanes) or “fallstreaks” (naturally-occurring) you have rapidly-falling columns of ice crystals.

These may occur lower down by slightly-different sources, where they are known as “sylphs”.

However they occur, they are made of natural fresh water ice, and their fate, inevitably, is to evaporate back into air. It’s the fate of most airborne water to constantly repeat such cycles.

Contrails also exist, and some people can’t tell what they are.

Not that anything of a ufo nature had anything to do with this, but JazzRoc shouldn’t be passing off that topic, if that is what he was doing. It is a very real phenomenon that has been documented for thousands of years. The fact that there hasn’t been any “official” releases of information doesn’t mean that the phenomenon doesn’t exist. France and England are disclosing a lot of their recorded case files.

Aint that the truth….

I watched the video and I couldn’t stop shaking my head. The fact that these people think we are “sheep” simply for understanding the facts of science, is too disturbing for words. Imagine living life like that?!? I shudder just thinking about it.

If you get a moment, watch the video by leharra entitled “what do chemtrails & h.a.a.r.p do ? let me tellya”. This woman actually thinks that “they” are re-writing meteorology books to include clouds “with fancy names” so that us sheep will be fooled into thinking these clouds have been around for a long time. She actually says that since they have been testing harp on Hawaii, there have been earthquakes and that there hadn’t been any for “a couple a hundred years” before that. Can you imagine? She lives on a volcanic island, but thinks earthquakes are a new phenomenon there. Pathetic.