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		<title>By: MikeC</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry but what is actually unusual about having a lovely day one day and then a cloudy one the next??  Are you really trying to tell us that you never encountered that before??  I would find that extraordinary - just from normal weather.

I am in Wellington, New Zealand.  Sunday was an atrocious day - strong winds, driving rain.  Monday, fortunately (I had a funeral to attend!) was perfect - barely a cloud in the sky, moderate winds (a bit chilly as it is late Autumn here) but hot when out of the wind.  Today, Tuesday, it is raining again, low cloud and cold.  that is just weather!

As for why do &quot;modern contrails&quot; take time to expand - would you expect them to expand instantly??  Old ones also took time to expand - there are accounts on this site of contrails made in the morning expanding to a wide cloud cover in the afternoon, back as far as 1940.

In what way do atmospheric conditions fail to explain this??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry but what is actually unusual about having a lovely day one day and then a cloudy one the next??  Are you really trying to tell us that you never encountered that before??  I would find that extraordinary &#8211; just from normal weather.</p>
<p>I am in Wellington, New Zealand.  Sunday was an atrocious day &#8211; strong winds, driving rain.  Monday, fortunately (I had a funeral to attend!) was perfect &#8211; barely a cloud in the sky, moderate winds (a bit chilly as it is late Autumn here) but hot when out of the wind.  Today, Tuesday, it is raining again, low cloud and cold.  that is just weather!</p>
<p>As for why do &#8220;modern contrails&#8221; take time to expand &#8211; would you expect them to expand instantly??  Old ones also took time to expand &#8211; there are accounts on this site of contrails made in the morning expanding to a wide cloud cover in the afternoon, back as far as 1940.</p>
<p>In what way do atmospheric conditions fail to explain this??</p>
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		<title>By: Reason X</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could not help but read the comments about the elite colluding together, common sense indeed, for a group or collective to protect their interests, Royal Families have done it for centuries so why not the elite classes other than Royal Families of the world. I find it interesting looking at all kinds of history and always have found it to be fascinating and often eye opening, but at my age now little surprises me. I don&#039;t even find it shocking that most people do not care or deny government experiments of chemical and biological warfare on civilians and most western and eastern countries even have a history of doing this. I am not only talking about modern times either. The use of bio-chemical warfare against other countries or enemies is even more ancient, now I am not suggesting that chemtrails or geoengineering is for this purpose. I do however agree that laws on anti-terrorism and programs such as the American BioShield allows viruses to be bioengineered to have the potential to kill billions of people, and they use this cover to engineer race specific viruses, so guess what, the obvious strikes us here as it not being defensive warfare, but offensive and very dangerous, especially when you look at the level 3 security used for what should be level 3. If viruses as dangerous as this were to &quot;accidentally&quot; leak out then that is all they would have to say, it was accidental and we must learn a lesson from it. Now, German politicians would not accept vaccines so the pharma companies made them a safer and cleaner vaccine for them, the other vaccines had contaminations in and made use of cancer cells from animals, nice! This is hardly surprising though. Merck scientist and vaccine pioneer admitted to contaminated vaccines long ago: so the status quo continues business as usual:

http://www.naturalnews.com/033584_Dr_Maurice_Hilleman_SV40.html
It also references of this can be found in Wikipedia, and no, it is not listed as a conspiracy theory.

The colluding of powerful, rich elite has now been proven, one may say. Or least scientific research now proves there is a close network of the most consolidated and networked corporations, including banks. 

It was published in new scientist.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html

Excerpt from article:

&quot;AS PROTESTS against financial power sweep the world this week, science may have confirmed the protesters&#039; worst fears. An analysis of the relationships between 43,000 transnational corporations has identified a relatively small group of companies, mainly banks, with disproportionate power over the global economy.

The study&#039;s assumptions have attracted some criticism, but complex systems analysts contacted by New Scientist say it is a unique effort to untangle control in the global economy. Pushing the analysis further, they say, could help to identify ways of making global capitalism more stable.

AS PROTESTS against financial power sweep the world this week, science may have confirmed the protesters&#039; worst fears. An analysis of the relationships between 43,000 transnational corporations has identified a relatively small group of companies, mainly banks, with disproportionate power over the global economy.&quot;

The article concludes that breaking up the elite control matrix would be in the interest of everyone in the world. And it is commonse sense, if the economy is more diverse then when companies fail it won&#039;t affect the economy as much as monolithic corporate networks would and do when they fail. 

Something else I find very annoying but very predictable is the media not reporting on Iceland, they have debt forgiveness where debt is wiped out and companies were allowed to fail and after a few years the economy made corrections and now recovered very well, compared to countries that struggle on by, and like the UK now in a recession again. Its really predictable in the first place even before Iceland decided to do the most ethical and sound thing, that bailing out banks to me was suicide and only for the banks and political careers of - career politicians, of course, but most people would not have known or formed an opinion on the obvious at that time. For common sense, is not that common at all.

I imagine if we had more independent scientific research that was not controlled by special interest groups of industry itself and government then we would find many so called conspiracy theories were more factual than most would ever had dreamt possible.

I am not saying chemtrails are proven to be as many claim them to be, but we now know without a shadow of doubt geoengineering is very real and many governments have been experimenting with it one way or another for many decades now. In recent decades there have been progressions to different methods and I think there are safe options for this. One method in the UK that was proposed and has now been experimented with by the UK government lat least year, was spraying misted water into the atmosphere to create a cover or man made clouds, by making a fine misted spray of water into the atmosphere it is possible to create clouds. If needed we could also use natural contaminants such as dirt and dust as well, should we need to. This it far safer for human, animal and ecological health than spraying sulphur into the atmosphere, referred to as planet hacking. The pro geoengineers at top universities are concerned about the toxic affects of spraying sulphur into the atmosphere and say it could well easily prove to be far worse than any global ecological disasters or global warming.

Until there is more independent research into current contrails we have no way of knowing with 100% certainty. It is easy to manipulate data when doing any scientific research by simply omitting the data to be input or by making slight adjustments, I&#039;ve seen this been done many times and it changes everything. But to see this you have to carefully analyse the journals and often have some kind of background in the area that is being researched.

What strikes me as odd is the time it takes for modern contrails to completely disperse and that they spread out so far and wide to complete sky cover within 20, 40 - 60 mins after aircraft leave them behind. no matter how many attempts made to explain this with atmospheric conditions which must be factored it in just doesn&#039;t explain it all. And we now often see cloudless skies some days even in cloudy countries like England, Wales and Ireland only for the very next day to be completely covered, maybe it is natural but I never saw anything like that when I was younger, and I have always been one to observe, it is how I first came across the term chemtrail, by myself by searching for answers online and it took me several years to find the word associations with what I was observing. And came to find out millions of others had observed the same. My hope is that the government will opt to use safest option of only spraying water, but their dirty and dark history says otherwise and that is all we have to go off, when no government in the west is transparent or honest. Apologies for any poor grammar but I have limited time for writing and proof reading. I thought reader of this site may find the new scientist article of interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not help but read the comments about the elite colluding together, common sense indeed, for a group or collective to protect their interests, Royal Families have done it for centuries so why not the elite classes other than Royal Families of the world. I find it interesting looking at all kinds of history and always have found it to be fascinating and often eye opening, but at my age now little surprises me. I don&#8217;t even find it shocking that most people do not care or deny government experiments of chemical and biological warfare on civilians and most western and eastern countries even have a history of doing this. I am not only talking about modern times either. The use of bio-chemical warfare against other countries or enemies is even more ancient, now I am not suggesting that chemtrails or geoengineering is for this purpose. I do however agree that laws on anti-terrorism and programs such as the American BioShield allows viruses to be bioengineered to have the potential to kill billions of people, and they use this cover to engineer race specific viruses, so guess what, the obvious strikes us here as it not being defensive warfare, but offensive and very dangerous, especially when you look at the level 3 security used for what should be level 3. If viruses as dangerous as this were to &#8220;accidentally&#8221; leak out then that is all they would have to say, it was accidental and we must learn a lesson from it. Now, German politicians would not accept vaccines so the pharma companies made them a safer and cleaner vaccine for them, the other vaccines had contaminations in and made use of cancer cells from animals, nice! This is hardly surprising though. Merck scientist and vaccine pioneer admitted to contaminated vaccines long ago: so the status quo continues business as usual:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.naturalnews.com/033584_Dr_Maurice_Hilleman_SV40.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.naturalnews.com/033584_Dr_Maurice_Hilleman_SV40.html</a><br />
It also references of this can be found in Wikipedia, and no, it is not listed as a conspiracy theory.</p>
<p>The colluding of powerful, rich elite has now been proven, one may say. Or least scientific research now proves there is a close network of the most consolidated and networked corporations, including banks. </p>
<p>It was published in new scientist.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed&#8211;the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html</a></p>
<p>Excerpt from article:</p>
<p>&#8220;AS PROTESTS against financial power sweep the world this week, science may have confirmed the protesters&#8217; worst fears. An analysis of the relationships between 43,000 transnational corporations has identified a relatively small group of companies, mainly banks, with disproportionate power over the global economy.</p>
<p>The study&#8217;s assumptions have attracted some criticism, but complex systems analysts contacted by New Scientist say it is a unique effort to untangle control in the global economy. Pushing the analysis further, they say, could help to identify ways of making global capitalism more stable.</p>
<p>AS PROTESTS against financial power sweep the world this week, science may have confirmed the protesters&#8217; worst fears. An analysis of the relationships between 43,000 transnational corporations has identified a relatively small group of companies, mainly banks, with disproportionate power over the global economy.&#8221;</p>
<p>The article concludes that breaking up the elite control matrix would be in the interest of everyone in the world. And it is commonse sense, if the economy is more diverse then when companies fail it won&#8217;t affect the economy as much as monolithic corporate networks would and do when they fail. </p>
<p>Something else I find very annoying but very predictable is the media not reporting on Iceland, they have debt forgiveness where debt is wiped out and companies were allowed to fail and after a few years the economy made corrections and now recovered very well, compared to countries that struggle on by, and like the UK now in a recession again. Its really predictable in the first place even before Iceland decided to do the most ethical and sound thing, that bailing out banks to me was suicide and only for the banks and political careers of &#8211; career politicians, of course, but most people would not have known or formed an opinion on the obvious at that time. For common sense, is not that common at all.</p>
<p>I imagine if we had more independent scientific research that was not controlled by special interest groups of industry itself and government then we would find many so called conspiracy theories were more factual than most would ever had dreamt possible.</p>
<p>I am not saying chemtrails are proven to be as many claim them to be, but we now know without a shadow of doubt geoengineering is very real and many governments have been experimenting with it one way or another for many decades now. In recent decades there have been progressions to different methods and I think there are safe options for this. One method in the UK that was proposed and has now been experimented with by the UK government lat least year, was spraying misted water into the atmosphere to create a cover or man made clouds, by making a fine misted spray of water into the atmosphere it is possible to create clouds. If needed we could also use natural contaminants such as dirt and dust as well, should we need to. This it far safer for human, animal and ecological health than spraying sulphur into the atmosphere, referred to as planet hacking. The pro geoengineers at top universities are concerned about the toxic affects of spraying sulphur into the atmosphere and say it could well easily prove to be far worse than any global ecological disasters or global warming.</p>
<p>Until there is more independent research into current contrails we have no way of knowing with 100% certainty. It is easy to manipulate data when doing any scientific research by simply omitting the data to be input or by making slight adjustments, I&#8217;ve seen this been done many times and it changes everything. But to see this you have to carefully analyse the journals and often have some kind of background in the area that is being researched.</p>
<p>What strikes me as odd is the time it takes for modern contrails to completely disperse and that they spread out so far and wide to complete sky cover within 20, 40 &#8211; 60 mins after aircraft leave them behind. no matter how many attempts made to explain this with atmospheric conditions which must be factored it in just doesn&#8217;t explain it all. And we now often see cloudless skies some days even in cloudy countries like England, Wales and Ireland only for the very next day to be completely covered, maybe it is natural but I never saw anything like that when I was younger, and I have always been one to observe, it is how I first came across the term chemtrail, by myself by searching for answers online and it took me several years to find the word associations with what I was observing. And came to find out millions of others had observed the same. My hope is that the government will opt to use safest option of only spraying water, but their dirty and dark history says otherwise and that is all we have to go off, when no government in the west is transparent or honest. Apologies for any poor grammar but I have limited time for writing and proof reading. I thought reader of this site may find the new scientist article of interest.</p>
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		<title>By: GregOrca</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregOrca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon, I was standing here in the Namibian desert yesterday and saw two vehicles drive past, one left a big dusty trail, one didn&#039;t, then some other vehicles came from another direction leaving big dusty trails and I noticed a huge X formation on the ground. That drew my attention to another X formation a few kilometers away.
These X formations cannot be natural. Springbok, ostriches, oryx and impala do not leave them nor make dusty trails.
How can one vehicle drive across a desert and leave a big dust cloud and another vehicle leave a smaller dust cloud?
Sometimes the dust clouds turn on and off.
Surely if the vehicles were just civilians in 4X4s they would never leave X formations on the ground and the dust would always look exactly the same regardless of conditions?  Regardless of wind, speed and ground surface?
I stood on a rock outcrop and within the space of ten minutes about 10 vehicles went by leaving mysterious dust clouds.
This is the kalihari desert and is not  a major Freeway.
Surely it is all very suspicious?

But you may say &quot;that is ridiculous, the surface of the ground is never consistent so dust trails should not be consistent and there will be soft dirt and dust patches and hard rocky gravel patches, salt and bitumen sections, 4x4s will travel at different speeds and have different tyres, the wind will come from different directions and the drivers of the 4x4s are probably just going to different destinations. It is crazy to say there is anything suspicious of drivers intersecting paths going to different destinations&quot;.

If you understand anything about cars then you would know such suspiciousness about trails from road vehicles is absurd.
Yet such suspicious comments that are absurd when applied to wheeled vehicles are suggested for aircraft.
To people who understand anything about aircraft such suspiciousness about contrails is equally silly.

Think carefully about why some people think it&#039;s strange that planes travel in different directions. Can the 80,000 airliners that fly each day only fly the exact same path?
Why do people think that the atmosphere is absolutely uniform in consistency?  If you have ever seen clouds or wind or storms then you should know that the conditions in the atmosphere vary wildly.
Mick has written a very detailed and accurate website here that explains in detail all your concerns. It would be worthwhile having a very careful read of it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon, I was standing here in the Namibian desert yesterday and saw two vehicles drive past, one left a big dusty trail, one didn&#8217;t, then some other vehicles came from another direction leaving big dusty trails and I noticed a huge X formation on the ground. That drew my attention to another X formation a few kilometers away.<br />
These X formations cannot be natural. Springbok, ostriches, oryx and impala do not leave them nor make dusty trails.<br />
How can one vehicle drive across a desert and leave a big dust cloud and another vehicle leave a smaller dust cloud?<br />
Sometimes the dust clouds turn on and off.<br />
Surely if the vehicles were just civilians in 4X4s they would never leave X formations on the ground and the dust would always look exactly the same regardless of conditions?  Regardless of wind, speed and ground surface?<br />
I stood on a rock outcrop and within the space of ten minutes about 10 vehicles went by leaving mysterious dust clouds.<br />
This is the kalihari desert and is not  a major Freeway.<br />
Surely it is all very suspicious?</p>
<p>But you may say &#8220;that is ridiculous, the surface of the ground is never consistent so dust trails should not be consistent and there will be soft dirt and dust patches and hard rocky gravel patches, salt and bitumen sections, 4x4s will travel at different speeds and have different tyres, the wind will come from different directions and the drivers of the 4x4s are probably just going to different destinations. It is crazy to say there is anything suspicious of drivers intersecting paths going to different destinations&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you understand anything about cars then you would know such suspiciousness about trails from road vehicles is absurd.<br />
Yet such suspicious comments that are absurd when applied to wheeled vehicles are suggested for aircraft.<br />
To people who understand anything about aircraft such suspiciousness about contrails is equally silly.</p>
<p>Think carefully about why some people think it&#8217;s strange that planes travel in different directions. Can the 80,000 airliners that fly each day only fly the exact same path?<br />
Why do people think that the atmosphere is absolutely uniform in consistency?  If you have ever seen clouds or wind or storms then you should know that the conditions in the atmosphere vary wildly.<br />
Mick has written a very detailed and accurate website here that explains in detail all your concerns. It would be worthwhile having a very careful read of it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2012 01:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anon, so you looked up and saw contrails. Sme were flying in the same direction, some crossed paths.

Which of these do you find most sinister?

I ask because there are actually only these two possibilities when air craft make contrails.

They can either be parallel or intersect, What In The World Are You Complaining About?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anon, so you looked up and saw contrails. Sme were flying in the same direction, some crossed paths.</p>
<p>Which of these do you find most sinister?</p>
<p>I ask because there are actually only these two possibilities when air craft make contrails.</p>
<p>They can either be parallel or intersect, What In The World Are You Complaining About?</p>
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		<title>By: annon</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 23:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just outside looking UP and lo and behold two airplanes flying right in front of my face crisscrossing there stinkin&#039; lines to form an x right above my damned house!! So don&#039;t tell ME they are blown together by the wind, I watched it happen. As soon as they passed two more airplanes flew  over the opposite side of the sky forming an x.  I stood there for about 10 min and witnessed 10 air planes forming x&#039;s over my region and I don&#039;t live in a high air traffic zone!!! Seems the more I research this crap the more activity occurs in my part of the sky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just outside looking UP and lo and behold two airplanes flying right in front of my face crisscrossing there stinkin&#8217; lines to form an x right above my damned house!! So don&#8217;t tell ME they are blown together by the wind, I watched it happen. As soon as they passed two more airplanes flew  over the opposite side of the sky forming an x.  I stood there for about 10 min and witnessed 10 air planes forming x&#8217;s over my region and I don&#8217;t live in a high air traffic zone!!! Seems the more I research this crap the more activity occurs in my part of the sky.</p>
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