Comments on: Contrail Gaps and other Questions http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/ The Science and Pseudoscience of Contrails and Chemtrails Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:56:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Uncinus http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/#comment-47588 Uncinus Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:46:18 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/#comment-47588 So why do you believe the internet claims? So why do you believe the internet claims?

]]> By: huemaurice1 http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/#comment-47584 huemaurice1 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 21:14:34 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/#comment-47584 For respiratory diseases, I found this information over the Internet. But I still have no missing numbers. Brief. To which are declarations of the Oval Office, they must be the same as for BP "Motus !" Journalists banned in America in the Gulf ! Chemtrails trusted and popular. Without control ! Without control = genocide ? _________________________________________ Pour les maladies respiratoires, j'ai trouvé cette information sur Internet. Mais je n'ai toujours pas les chiffres manquants. Bref. Pour ce qui sont des déclarations du bureau ovale, elles doivent être les mêmes que pour BP "Motus !" Journalistes interdit en Amérique dans le Golfe ! Chemtrails approuvés et répandus. Sans contrôle ! Sans contrôle = génocide ?! For respiratory diseases, I found this information over the Internet. But I still have no missing numbers.
Brief.
To which are declarations of the Oval Office, they must be the same as for BP “Motus !”
Journalists banned in America in the Gulf !
Chemtrails trusted and popular. Without control !
Without control = genocide ?
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Pour les maladies respiratoires, j’ai trouvé cette information sur Internet. Mais je n’ai toujours pas les chiffres manquants.
Bref.
Pour ce qui sont des déclarations du bureau ovale, elles doivent être les mêmes que pour BP “Motus !”
Journalistes interdit en Amérique dans le Golfe !
Chemtrails approuvés et répandus. Sans contrôle !
Sans contrôle = génocide ?!

]]> By: Uncinus http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/#comment-47573 Uncinus Wed, 16 Jun 2010 14:44:08 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/#comment-47573 Should heads of state be answering questions about every single conspiracy theory? If a head of state has not addressed a particular theory, then does that make it more likely to be correct? Officials in the US government <i>have</i> addressed the chemtrail theory many times. See for example the response from the US Air Force: http://www.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-051013-001.pdf <blockquote> The "Chemtrail" Hoax A hoax that has been around since 1996 accuses the Air Force of being involved in spraying the US population with mysterious substances and show various Air Force aircraft "releasing sprays" or generating unusual contrail patterns. Several authors cite an Air University research paper titled "Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025" that suggests the Air Force is conducting weather modification experiments. The purpose of that paper was part of a thesis to outline a strategy for the use of a future weather modification system to achieve military objectives and it does not reflect current military policy, practice, or capability. The Air Force's policy is to observe and forecast the weather. The Air Force is focused on observing and forecasting the weather so the information can be used to support military operations. The Air Force is not conducting any weather modification experiments or programs and has no plans to do so in the future. </blockquote> Or from the UK MOD: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62515 <blockquote>2. First let me try and put the issue into perspective, weblogs and other commentators sometimes refer to the vapour trails left by aircraft as ‘chemtrails’. These vapour trails should more correctly be termed condensation trails or ‘contrails’ and are formed by the water vapour from the engines of jet aircraft flying at high altitudes. To our knowledge, the only research on aircraft emissions undertaken by the Ministry of Defence was carried by the Met Office which was on the effect of aircraft emissions on the climate. The outcome of this research was published in an IPPC report called “Aviation and the Global Atmosphere 1999” (Available from Cambridge University Press). We are not aware of any further research conducted by or on the behalf of the Ministry of Defence.</blockquote> Why do you even think there has been an increase in respiratory disease if you have not figures? Should heads of state be answering questions about every single conspiracy theory? If a head of state has not addressed a particular theory, then does that make it more likely to be correct?

Officials in the US government have addressed the chemtrail theory many times. See for example the response from the US Air Force:

http://www.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-051013-001.pdf

The “Chemtrail” Hoax
A hoax that has been around since 1996 accuses the Air Force of being involved in spraying the US population with mysterious substances and show various Air Force aircraft “releasing sprays” or generating unusual contrail patterns. Several authors cite an Air University research paper titled “Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025″ that suggests the Air Force is conducting weather modification experiments. The purpose of that paper was part of a thesis to outline a strategy for the use of a future weather modification system to achieve military objectives and it does not reflect current military policy, practice, or capability.
The Air Force’s policy is to observe and forecast the weather. The Air Force is focused on observing and forecasting the weather so the information can be used to support military operations. The Air Force is not conducting any weather modification experiments or programs and has no plans to do so in the future.

Or from the UK MOD:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62515

2. First let me try and put the issue into perspective, weblogs and other commentators sometimes refer to the vapour trails left by aircraft as ‘chemtrails’. These vapour trails should more correctly be termed condensation trails or ‘contrails’ and are formed by the water vapour from the engines of jet aircraft flying at high altitudes. To our knowledge, the only research on aircraft emissions undertaken by the Ministry of Defence was carried by the Met Office which was on the effect of aircraft emissions on the climate. The outcome of this research was published in an IPPC report called “Aviation and the Global Atmosphere 1999” (Available from Cambridge University Press). We are not aware of any further research conducted by or on the behalf of the Ministry of Defence.

Why do you even think there has been an increase in respiratory disease if you have not figures?

]]> By: Artyom http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/#comment-47572 Artyom Wed, 16 Jun 2010 14:16:04 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/#comment-47572 @hemaurice, they admit weather modification. They also study contrails. To assume they are the same thing is absolutely the wrong way to go about understanding things. Assumptions are not based on knowledge. Cloud seeding uses silver iodide, dry ice, liquid nitrogen, cement dust, and maybe some other things if I haven't read them all. Silver Iodide is the most common used. Why would politicians want to talk about cloud seeding? The scientists already cover these issues and politicians go over these issues with topics of global warming. And it amazes me people don't consider the industrial emissions in terms of respiratory illnesses. Instead they search for the highest altitude and the least probable of contaminates. And there has been no evidence linking illnesses of people under flight paths to increased flights. Those illnesses can be from pollen, mold, smog, and household chemicals to any other range of things. @hemaurice, they admit weather modification. They also study contrails. To assume they are the same thing is absolutely the wrong way to go about understanding things. Assumptions are not based on knowledge. Cloud seeding uses silver iodide, dry ice, liquid nitrogen, cement dust, and maybe some other things if I haven’t read them all. Silver Iodide is the most common used. Why would politicians want to talk about cloud seeding? The scientists already cover these issues and politicians go over these issues with topics of global warming. And it amazes me people don’t consider the industrial emissions in terms of respiratory illnesses. Instead they search for the highest altitude and the least probable of contaminates. And there has been no evidence linking illnesses of people under flight paths to increased flights. Those illnesses can be from pollen, mold, smog, and household chemicals to any other range of things.

]]> By: huemaurice1 http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/#comment-47568 huemaurice1 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:51:23 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/#comment-47568 Hi ! You say that there would be no cloud seeding and take up the toxicity of the chemtrails. Either. I would point out that although there is still this rumour, no head of State or Government has until then answered questions. These questions are at any point for its proper development and trade issues. And, as it is preferable for all (elected or not) to make friends rather than enemies, I do not understand this reluctance. Not wanting to respond or discuss politicians cache something. When it comes to respiratory diseases and deaths in ranking, I have not yet found missing data for 2007, 2008, 2009 and (there is) 2010. _______________________________________ Vous dites qu'il n'y aurait pas d'ensemencement de nuages et niez jusqu'à la toxicité des chemtrails. Soit. Je ferai remarquer que malgré que subsiste cette 'rumeur', aucun chef d'Etat ou gouvernement en place n'a jusqu'alors répondu aux questions. Ces questions sont en tout point problématique pour le commerce et son bon développement. Et, comme il est préférable pour tout être (élu ou non) de se faire des amis plutôt que des ennemis, je ne comprends pas cette réticence. Ce non vouloir répondre ou en débattre des hommes politiques cache quelque chose. Pour ce qui est des maladies respiratoires et des décès en classement, je n'ai pas encore trouvé les données manquantes de 2007, 2008, 2009 et (s'il y a) 2010. Hi !
You say that there would be no cloud seeding and take up the toxicity of the chemtrails. Either. I would point out that although there is still this rumour, no head of State or Government has until then answered questions. These questions are at any point for its proper development and trade issues. And, as it is preferable for all (elected or not) to make friends rather than enemies, I do not understand this reluctance. Not wanting to respond or discuss politicians cache something.

When it comes to respiratory diseases and deaths in ranking, I have not yet found missing data for 2007, 2008, 2009 and (there is) 2010.
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Vous dites qu’il n’y aurait pas d’ensemencement de nuages et niez jusqu’à la toxicité des chemtrails. Soit. Je ferai remarquer que malgré que subsiste cette ‘rumeur’, aucun chef d’Etat ou gouvernement en place n’a jusqu’alors répondu aux questions. Ces questions sont en tout point problématique pour le commerce et son bon développement. Et, comme il est préférable pour tout être (élu ou non) de se faire des amis plutôt que des ennemis, je ne comprends pas cette réticence. Ce non vouloir répondre ou en débattre des hommes politiques cache quelque chose.

Pour ce qui est des maladies respiratoires et des décès en classement, je n’ai pas encore trouvé les données manquantes de 2007, 2008, 2009 et (s’il y a) 2010.

]]> By: Uncinus http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/#comment-47521 Uncinus Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:00:45 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/#comment-47521 <blockquote>Despite all your goodwill to answer questions, you did not discuss the possibility of spreading of poisons. Why?</blockquote> All thing are possible. But: Are they likely? Is there any evidence to support them? <blockquote>Death by respiratory disease rose from the 8th to the 3rd rank in 5 years! Why?</blockquote> Where are your figures? For 1999 to 2006 see: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/mortality/lcwk9.htm They have remained in fairly constant order in that time. Respiratory disease at #4 with about 5% of deaths: 1 Diseases of heart (heart disease) 2 Malignant neoplasms (cancer) 3 Cerebrovascular diseases (stroke) <b>4 Chronic lower respiratory diseases</b> 5 Accidents (unintentional injuries) 6 Alzheimer’s disease 7 Diabetes mellitus (diabetes) 8 Influenza and pneumonia 9 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis (kidney disease) 10 Septicemia

Despite all your goodwill to answer questions, you did not discuss the possibility of spreading of poisons. Why?

All thing are possible. But: Are they likely? Is there any evidence to support them?

Death by respiratory disease rose from the 8th to the 3rd rank in 5 years! Why?

Where are your figures? For 1999 to 2006 see:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/mortality/lcwk9.htm

They have remained in fairly constant order in that time. Respiratory disease at #4 with about 5% of deaths:

1 Diseases of heart (heart disease)
2 Malignant neoplasms (cancer)
3 Cerebrovascular diseases (stroke)
4 Chronic lower respiratory diseases
5 Accidents (unintentional injuries)
6 Alzheimer’s disease
7 Diabetes mellitus (diabetes)
8 Influenza and pneumonia
9 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis (kidney disease)
10 Septicemia

]]> By: huemaurice1 http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/#comment-47519 huemaurice1 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:35:41 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/#comment-47519 Hi ! I am not in physics, neither in aerospace. I am skeptical. Sceptic see discuss the contrails & the chemtrails. Even if it is water vapour, I remain sceptical. With oil that pervades the Gulf, and the deadly gas, I wonder about issues. People are employed to collect waste on beaches. Without mask. Death arrives. What do BP & President? Spraying against the GW are made. Of the applications of what? Despite all your goodwill to answer questions, you did not discuss the possibility of spreading of poisons. Why? Death by respiratory disease rose from the 8th to the 3rd rank in 5 years! Why? Aircraft pilots have names and address. Why are they not talking... water? _____________________________________ Je ne suis pas dans la physique, ni dans l'aéronautique. Je suis sceptique. Sceptique de voir discuter des contrails & des chemtrails. Même s'il s'agit de vapeur d'eau, je demeure sceptique. Avec le pétrole qui envahit le Golfe, et les gaz mortels, je me pose des questions sur les problèmes. Des gens travaillent à ramasser les déchets sur les plages. Sans masque. La mort arrive. Que font BP & le Président ? Des épandages contre le GW sont fait. Des épandages de quoi ? Malgré tout votre bon vouloir à répondre aux questions, vous n'abordez pas la possibilité d'épandage de poisons. Pourquoi ? La mort par maladie respiratoire est passée du 8ème au 3ème rang en 5 années ! Pourquoi ? Les pilotes d'avions ont des noms et adresse. Pourquoi ne viennent ils pas parler... de l'eau ?! Hi !
I am not in physics, neither in aerospace. I am skeptical. Sceptic see discuss the contrails & the chemtrails. Even if it is water vapour, I remain sceptical.
With oil that pervades the Gulf, and the deadly gas, I wonder about issues. People are employed to collect waste on beaches. Without mask. Death arrives. What do BP & President?
Spraying against the GW are made. Of the applications of what?
Despite all your goodwill to answer questions, you did not discuss the possibility of spreading of poisons. Why?
Death by respiratory disease rose from the 8th to the 3rd rank in 5 years! Why?
Aircraft pilots have names and address. Why are they not talking… water?
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Je ne suis pas dans la physique, ni dans l’aéronautique. Je suis sceptique. Sceptique de voir discuter des contrails & des chemtrails. Même s’il s’agit de vapeur d’eau, je demeure sceptique.
Avec le pétrole qui envahit le Golfe, et les gaz mortels, je me pose des questions sur les problèmes. Des gens travaillent à ramasser les déchets sur les plages. Sans masque. La mort arrive. Que font BP & le Président ?
Des épandages contre le GW sont fait. Des épandages de quoi ?
Malgré tout votre bon vouloir à répondre aux questions, vous n’abordez pas la possibilité d’épandage de poisons. Pourquoi ?
La mort par maladie respiratoire est passée du 8ème au 3ème rang en 5 années ! Pourquoi ?
Les pilotes d’avions ont des noms et adresse. Pourquoi ne viennent ils pas parler… de l’eau ?!

]]> By: SR1419 http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/#comment-46920 SR1419 Wed, 26 May 2010 20:58:35 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/#comment-46920 Sorry- couldn't resist- check out a list of "her" articles from the last couple years...Fascinating really: http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index632.htm Sorry...now back to contrails. Sorry- couldn’t resist- check out a list of “her” articles from the last couple years…Fascinating really:

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index632.htm

Sorry…now back to contrails.

]]> By: SR1419 http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/#comment-46918 SR1419 Wed, 26 May 2010 20:47:26 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/#comment-46918 ..really?? Sorcha Faal?? REALLY? - please...you need to be a bit more discerning about your sources of info. "She" has made outrageous claim after outrageous claim for years...and not one has proven to be true. "her" credibility is highly suspect to say the least: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread304918/pg1 "she" is currently claiming the Oil rig in the Gulf was actually torpedoed by N. Korea. http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1367.htm Of course, you are welcome to buy her book: http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/battlebook.htm ..really??

Sorcha Faal??

REALLY? – please…you need to be a bit more discerning about your sources of info. “She” has made outrageous claim after outrageous claim for years…and not one has proven to be true.

“her” credibility is highly suspect to say the least:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread304918/pg1

“she” is currently claiming the Oil rig in the Gulf was actually torpedoed by N. Korea.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1367.htm

Of course, you are welcome to buy her book:

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/battlebook.htm

]]> By: Uncinus http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/#comment-46917 Uncinus Wed, 26 May 2010 20:16:32 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/#comment-46917 Okay Pinecone, I've looked at your links, and I have a question. Your third link states: <blockquote> 3) Contrails are always pure white and don’t exhibit much halo effect. Chemtrails have an oily glint to them, with pronounced rainbow-like color effects (reddish or pinkish tint) as the sun shines through.</blockquote> Now this seems entirely contrary to established science. It's well known that contrails very similar optical properties to cirrus clouds. Can you explain why you believe this to be true? Especially given that the "what in the world are the spraying" video shows "chemtrails" as being pure white. Where's the science? Okay Pinecone, I’ve looked at your links, and I have a question. Your third link states:

3) Contrails are always pure white and don’t exhibit much halo effect. Chemtrails have an oily glint to them, with pronounced rainbow-like color effects (reddish or pinkish tint) as the sun shines through.

Now this seems entirely contrary to established science. It’s well known that contrails very similar optical properties to cirrus clouds.

Can you explain why you believe this to be true? Especially given that the “what in the world are the spraying” video shows “chemtrails” as being pure white.

Where’s the science?

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