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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanlk so much for putting this website up these conspiracy nuts are taking over the world with youtube. I would like to see more youtube videos from you expalining the TRUTH and SCIENCE behind what others think is a conspiracy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanlk so much for putting this website up these conspiracy nuts are taking over the world with youtube. I would like to see more youtube videos from you expalining the TRUTH and SCIENCE behind what others think is a conspiracy</p>
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		<title>By: JazzRoc</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/contrail-confusion-is-nothing-new/#comment-34979</link>
		<dc:creator>JazzRoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;People are not confusing contrails. People know the difference between the benign &lt;/em&gt;
How do you know they&#039;re initially benign?

&lt;em&gt;water vapor contrail that diminishes quickly&lt;/em&gt;
Why does it do that?

&lt;em&gt;and the denser and more persistent whitish smoky contrail that lingers and expands over a period of an hour or more.&lt;/em&gt;
That&#039;s not exactly what it does. In the saturated air of a humid stratospheric layer it cannot &quot;diminish&quot; for it cannot sublime into water vapor in the at all, in fact it puts on weight as it falls until it reaches the troposphere where it evaporates.

&lt;em&gt;The incorporation of artificial particulate matter&lt;/em&gt;
And your reason for writing that was what? The only &quot;particulate matter&quot; is ICE CRYSTALS, with TRACES of SOOT PARTICLES and ACID MOLECULES.

&lt;em&gt;allows the latter type to hang in the sky for long periods&lt;/em&gt;
NOTHING &quot;hangs in the sky&quot; for long periods. Solid material objects (like ice crystals) have WEIGHT and FALL. Slowly, in barely saturated air, but speeding their downward fall the more humid and saturated the ambient air is.

&lt;em&gt;People can even spot artificial cloud cover when they step out their back door, especially when they know that the humidity level is too low for real clouds to occur.&lt;/em&gt;
That PLAINLY DEMONSTRATES your failure to understand what you are talking about.
Firstly, the reason why you can&#039;t tell one trail from another is that THEY ARE ALL ICE CLOUDS just as CIRRUS clouds are ice clouds.
Secondly these trails are NOT being made in YOUR weather. They are made five to eight miles up in a part of the atmosphere called the STRATOSPHERE, where the sky runs by a different set of rules.
It is bitterly cold at its BASE (-40 or colder still) and gets WARMER with increasing altitude.
The BASE of the stratosphere is just ABOVE the TOP of the ANVIL of a large cumulonimbus cloud. That&#039;s the only time its easy to spot, although you sometimes see a thin mist of cirrus there. Also, the &quot;afternoon white-out&quot; sometimes caused by many persistent contrails joining up is up there, at the BASE of the stratosphere, for beneath it the falling ice crystals WILL be evaporating into what you &lt;em&gt;know&lt;/em&gt; to be &quot;your weather&quot;.

What do you say to that? You&#039;ve been WRONG every time... Why do you think that is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>People are not confusing contrails. People know the difference between the benign </em><br />
How do you know they&#8217;re initially benign?</p>
<p><em>water vapor contrail that diminishes quickly</em><br />
Why does it do that?</p>
<p><em>and the denser and more persistent whitish smoky contrail that lingers and expands over a period of an hour or more.</em><br />
That&#8217;s not exactly what it does. In the saturated air of a humid stratospheric layer it cannot &#8220;diminish&#8221; for it cannot sublime into water vapor in the at all, in fact it puts on weight as it falls until it reaches the troposphere where it evaporates.</p>
<p><em>The incorporation of artificial particulate matter</em><br />
And your reason for writing that was what? The only &#8220;particulate matter&#8221; is ICE CRYSTALS, with TRACES of SOOT PARTICLES and ACID MOLECULES.</p>
<p><em>allows the latter type to hang in the sky for long periods</em><br />
NOTHING &#8220;hangs in the sky&#8221; for long periods. Solid material objects (like ice crystals) have WEIGHT and FALL. Slowly, in barely saturated air, but speeding their downward fall the more humid and saturated the ambient air is.</p>
<p><em>People can even spot artificial cloud cover when they step out their back door, especially when they know that the humidity level is too low for real clouds to occur.</em><br />
That PLAINLY DEMONSTRATES your failure to understand what you are talking about.<br />
Firstly, the reason why you can&#8217;t tell one trail from another is that THEY ARE ALL ICE CLOUDS just as CIRRUS clouds are ice clouds.<br />
Secondly these trails are NOT being made in YOUR weather. They are made five to eight miles up in a part of the atmosphere called the STRATOSPHERE, where the sky runs by a different set of rules.<br />
It is bitterly cold at its BASE (-40 or colder still) and gets WARMER with increasing altitude.<br />
The BASE of the stratosphere is just ABOVE the TOP of the ANVIL of a large cumulonimbus cloud. That&#8217;s the only time its easy to spot, although you sometimes see a thin mist of cirrus there. Also, the &#8220;afternoon white-out&#8221; sometimes caused by many persistent contrails joining up is up there, at the BASE of the stratosphere, for beneath it the falling ice crystals WILL be evaporating into what you <em>know</em> to be &#8220;your weather&#8221;.</p>
<p>What do you say to that? You&#8217;ve been WRONG every time&#8230; Why do you think that is?</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/contrail-confusion-is-nothing-new/#comment-34927</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 07:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are not confusing contrails.People know the difference between the benign water vapor contrail that diminishes quickly and the denser and more persistent whitish smoky contrail that lingers and expands over a period of an hour or more.The incorporation of artificial particulate matter allows the latter type to hang in the sky for long periods.People can even spot artificial cloud cover when they step out their back door,especially when they know that the humidity level is too low for real clouds to occur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are not confusing contrails.People know the difference between the benign water vapor contrail that diminishes quickly and the denser and more persistent whitish smoky contrail that lingers and expands over a period of an hour or more.The incorporation of artificial particulate matter allows the latter type to hang in the sky for long periods.People can even spot artificial cloud cover when they step out their back door,especially when they know that the humidity level is too low for real clouds to occur.</p>
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		<title>By: CloudyMcNoggin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right. Contrails aren&#039;t new. 

However, chemtrails are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right. Contrails aren&#8217;t new. </p>
<p>However, chemtrails are.</p>
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		<title>By: JazzRoc</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/contrail-confusion-is-nothing-new/#comment-23601</link>
		<dc:creator>JazzRoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 22:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous: &lt;blockquote&gt;experimenting with weather modification for decades. I can clearly see contrail clouds&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Not weather modification: cloud seeding. Weather modification would not be done in the stratosphere because there are no rainclouds there - of any sort.

&lt;blockquote&gt;A massive cloud seeding and cloud spraying operation are happening as well.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Persistent contrails are formed in ice-saturated stratospheric layers. Crossing shuttle flights at regular time spacings will create that effect in the sky quite normally in such an event.

&lt;blockquote&gt;They have fine tuned their methods so that no more green and lavender clouds appear.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&quot;Green and lavender&quot; clouds occur normally in nature according with changes in solar spectral insolation and ground-reflected light.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I do not believe it is sinister. By creating cloud cover the effects of global warming are mitigated in the treated areas.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Nice theory. For how long is this &quot;mitigation&quot;? Where are the figures?

&lt;blockquote&gt;I have observed flight formations and obvious spray patterns many times&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&quot;Flight formations and obvious spray patterns&quot; - are the consequence of airline business.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I suspect that the major ingredient in these clouds is water.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Every engineer since James Watt could have told you that.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Some type of polymer or salt is essential to geometrically spread out.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
NO. The dispersion of a trail to TEN kilometers WIDE by ONE kilometer DEEP takes hours and involves the UPTAKE of up to TEN THOUSAND times MORE ICE from the saturated water vapor in the stratosphere. It is spread by the ROTATIONAL ENERGY of the aircraft&#039;s WAVE VORTEX.

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is an amazing sight to see square clouds and tire tracks in the sky.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
One glance at one of those &quot;All air travel in a day in 60 seconds&quot; videos would put you straight. Aircraft routes cross EVERYWHERE!

&lt;blockquote&gt;The conspiracy buffs think they have this pegged but I think there is a more rational explanation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m not sure about that.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Global warming is far worse than even Al Gore is stating.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I cannot agree. When I look at the evidence I see nothing that leads in THAT direction.

&lt;blockquote&gt;To think that the military and pharmaceutical companies have conspired to poison us is just to far out there for me to swallow.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That appears to be D-I-Y hypocrisy. Your bag.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Hence the massive contrail imagery on all forms of advertising.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It&#039;s massive neither in the skies as a whole, nor in advertising imagery. You searched it out... No?

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is just acclimatizing us to what we see every day. Thank you for the sight.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It&#039;s banally normal. It&#039;s physics. Go get yourself INSIGHT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous:<br />
<blockquote>experimenting with weather modification for decades. I can clearly see contrail clouds</p></blockquote>
<p>Not weather modification: cloud seeding. Weather modification would not be done in the stratosphere because there are no rainclouds there &#8211; of any sort.</p>
<blockquote><p>A massive cloud seeding and cloud spraying operation are happening as well.</p></blockquote>
<p>Persistent contrails are formed in ice-saturated stratospheric layers. Crossing shuttle flights at regular time spacings will create that effect in the sky quite normally in such an event.</p>
<blockquote><p>They have fine tuned their methods so that no more green and lavender clouds appear.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Green and lavender&#8221; clouds occur normally in nature according with changes in solar spectral insolation and ground-reflected light.</p>
<blockquote><p>I do not believe it is sinister. By creating cloud cover the effects of global warming are mitigated in the treated areas.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nice theory. For how long is this &#8220;mitigation&#8221;? Where are the figures?</p>
<blockquote><p>I have observed flight formations and obvious spray patterns many times</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Flight formations and obvious spray patterns&#8221; &#8211; are the consequence of airline business.</p>
<blockquote><p>I suspect that the major ingredient in these clouds is water.</p></blockquote>
<p>Every engineer since James Watt could have told you that.</p>
<blockquote><p>Some type of polymer or salt is essential to geometrically spread out.</p></blockquote>
<p>NO. The dispersion of a trail to TEN kilometers WIDE by ONE kilometer DEEP takes hours and involves the UPTAKE of up to TEN THOUSAND times MORE ICE from the saturated water vapor in the stratosphere. It is spread by the ROTATIONAL ENERGY of the aircraft&#8217;s WAVE VORTEX.</p>
<blockquote><p>It is an amazing sight to see square clouds and tire tracks in the sky.</p></blockquote>
<p>One glance at one of those &#8220;All air travel in a day in 60 seconds&#8221; videos would put you straight. Aircraft routes cross EVERYWHERE!</p>
<blockquote><p>The conspiracy buffs think they have this pegged but I think there is a more rational explanation.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure about that.</p>
<blockquote><p>Global warming is far worse than even Al Gore is stating.</p></blockquote>
<p>I cannot agree. When I look at the evidence I see nothing that leads in THAT direction.</p>
<blockquote><p>To think that the military and pharmaceutical companies have conspired to poison us is just to far out there for me to swallow.</p></blockquote>
<p>That appears to be D-I-Y hypocrisy. Your bag.</p>
<blockquote><p>Hence the massive contrail imagery on all forms of advertising.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s massive neither in the skies as a whole, nor in advertising imagery. You searched it out&#8230; No?</p>
<blockquote><p>It is just acclimatizing us to what we see every day. Thank you for the sight.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s banally normal. It&#8217;s physics. Go get yourself INSIGHT.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncinus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sarxs, why do you think you never noticed this before this morning?

If you never noticed it before, how do you know when it started?

I&#039;m not sure why you think it&#039;s not natural air traffic.  Could you be more specific?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sarxs, why do you think you never noticed this before this morning?</p>
<p>If you never noticed it before, how do you know when it started?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure why you think it&#8217;s not natural air traffic.  Could you be more specific?</p>
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		<title>By: sarxs</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarxs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 16:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a clear blue sky early this morning, I always thought  contrails were a far stretched conspiracy theory, A friend said looking up. &quot;I hate contrails&quot; As I looked up, I thought what? And to my surprise their was about a dozen crossing trails across an otherwise beautiful blue sky. Living in this town all my life I realized two things, One was that this was unusual because usually their is only one or two planes in the sky at any given moment, ( I frequently look at the sky in the morning watching the sun rise, and during hunting season). And secondly I realized I had never seen this before. About a dozen criss crossing thin contrails across the sky. My friend then told me that unlike normal trails they would stay suspended in the sky and slowly spread, Sure enough, they have. its about 10:30 am and we have an overcast sky one would think to be an ordinary day. No blue sky in sight. Strange only because I know  from watching this develop, that its all man made, and somehow it was supposed to be a bright clear day with a blue sky and no clouds in sight, I now have three theories to why this was done, As one will realize it was purposely done if watching it from the early get go. as planes criss cross the sky until no sky is seen. Two of my theories are not pleasant and can be found with most conspiracy sites on-line, The third idea is more reassuring, however I keep it off the net due to national security. The point isn&#039;t to create a widespread conspiracy, but to debunk those who say it is just natural air traffic. simply observe it some morning from the beginning to the end is all that&#039;s needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a clear blue sky early this morning, I always thought  contrails were a far stretched conspiracy theory, A friend said looking up. &#8220;I hate contrails&#8221; As I looked up, I thought what? And to my surprise their was about a dozen crossing trails across an otherwise beautiful blue sky. Living in this town all my life I realized two things, One was that this was unusual because usually their is only one or two planes in the sky at any given moment, ( I frequently look at the sky in the morning watching the sun rise, and during hunting season). And secondly I realized I had never seen this before. About a dozen criss crossing thin contrails across the sky. My friend then told me that unlike normal trails they would stay suspended in the sky and slowly spread, Sure enough, they have. its about 10:30 am and we have an overcast sky one would think to be an ordinary day. No blue sky in sight. Strange only because I know  from watching this develop, that its all man made, and somehow it was supposed to be a bright clear day with a blue sky and no clouds in sight, I now have three theories to why this was done, As one will realize it was purposely done if watching it from the early get go. as planes criss cross the sky until no sky is seen. Two of my theories are not pleasant and can be found with most conspiracy sites on-line, The third idea is more reassuring, however I keep it off the net due to national security. The point isn&#8217;t to create a widespread conspiracy, but to debunk those who say it is just natural air traffic. simply observe it some morning from the beginning to the end is all that&#8217;s needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncinus</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/contrail-confusion-is-nothing-new/#comment-14701</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s excellent Virga, thanks a lot!  I like the account there:

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For a brief time residents of Dayton were sure a comet had appeared in the sky.  They had mistaken the trail of vapor escaping from the machine as it sped downwards for a &quot;stranger in the heavens.&quot;
 The exhaust gas from the airplane freezing in the frigid temperature, caused a cloudlike formation, resembling the tail of a comet, to hang below the clouds.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sounds like it was a fairly short contrail.   Still, something they had never seen before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s excellent Virga, thanks a lot!  I like the account there:</p>
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For a brief time residents of Dayton were sure a comet had appeared in the sky.  They had mistaken the trail of vapor escaping from the machine as it sped downwards for a &#8220;stranger in the heavens.&#8221;<br />
 The exhaust gas from the airplane freezing in the frigid temperature, caused a cloudlike formation, resembling the tail of a comet, to hang below the clouds.
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<p>Sounds like it was a fairly short contrail.   Still, something they had never seen before.</p>
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		<title>By: Virga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an old newspaper clip dating back to 1920.

It reports of people confusing a contrail with a comet:
http://g.imagehost.org/download/0688/1920</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an old newspaper clip dating back to 1920.</p>
<p>It reports of people confusing a contrail with a comet:<br />
<a href="http://g.imagehost.org/download/0688/1920" rel="nofollow">http://g.imagehost.org/download/0688/1920</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 16:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No doubt contrails are nothing new. However our government has been experimenting with weather modification for decades. I can clearly see contrail clouds on little house on the prairie as well as follow me boys and the long trailer. I would suggest that lingering contrails are real as well as man made cloud cover. When I first heard about this issue I got the&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Their out to poison us all!&quot; version. I have spent much time since then watching the skies and have come to my own conclusion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. Contrails are normal. The weather and engine dynamics determine their formation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2.A massive cloud seeding and cloud spraying operation are happening as well. They have fine tuned their methods over the last several years so that no more green and lavender clouds appear. I do not believe it is sinister. By creating cloud cover the effects of global warming  are mitigated in the treated areas.&lt;br /&gt;
I have observed flight formations and obvious spray patterns many times. I suspect that the major ingredient in these clouds is water. Some type of polymer or salt is essential so that the radio frequency sent into the cloud can cause it to geometrically spread out. It is an amazing sight to see square clouds and tire tracks in the sky. The conspiracy buffs think they have this pegged but I think there is a more rational explation. Global warming is far worse than even Al Gore is stating. To think that the military and pharmaceutical companies have conspired to poison us is just to far out their for me to swallow. Hence the massive contrail imagery on all forms of advertising. It is just acclamating us to what we see every day. Thank you for the sight&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt contrails are nothing new. However our government has been experimenting with weather modification for decades. I can clearly see contrail clouds on little house on the prairie as well as follow me boys and the long trailer. I would suggest that lingering contrails are real as well as man made cloud cover. When I first heard about this issue I got the<br />
&#8220;Their out to poison us all!&#8221; version. I have spent much time since then watching the skies and have come to my own conclusion.</p>
<p>1. Contrails are normal. The weather and engine dynamics determine their formation.</p>
<p>2.A massive cloud seeding and cloud spraying operation are happening as well. They have fine tuned their methods over the last several years so that no more green and lavender clouds appear. I do not believe it is sinister. By creating cloud cover the effects of global warming  are mitigated in the treated areas.<br />
I have observed flight formations and obvious spray patterns many times. I suspect that the major ingredient in these clouds is water. Some type of polymer or salt is essential so that the radio frequency sent into the cloud can cause it to geometrically spread out. It is an amazing sight to see square clouds and tire tracks in the sky. The conspiracy buffs think they have this pegged but I think there is a more rational explation. Global warming is far worse than even Al Gore is stating. To think that the military and pharmaceutical companies have conspired to poison us is just to far out their for me to swallow. Hence the massive contrail imagery on all forms of advertising. It is just acclamating us to what we see every day. Thank you for the sight</p>
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