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	<description>The Science and Pseudoscience of Contrails and Chemtrails</description>
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		<title>By: Kamran</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/clouds-before-planes-cloud-studies-1905/#comment-46725</link>
		<dc:creator>Kamran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 10:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw that halo, it was last Saturday, right?</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/clouds-before-planes-cloud-studies-1905/#comment-46716</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 05:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you have this.  I posted a photo I took of a halo appearing near Seattle and the chemheads are cluttering the comments section with their tripe.  Won&#039;t listen to reason, these things have been around long before their &#039;chemtrails&#039; were in the sky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you have this.  I posted a photo I took of a halo appearing near Seattle and the chemheads are cluttering the comments section with their tripe.  Won&#8217;t listen to reason, these things have been around long before their &#8216;chemtrails&#8217; were in the sky.</p>
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		<title>By: Jurn</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/clouds-before-planes-cloud-studies-1905/#comment-22002</link>
		<dc:creator>Jurn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks for these,  Have added the link to my special issue on &#039;Cloud Studies&#039; (the art, culture and history of looking at the clouds), at: http://www.jurn.org/ejournal/vol1-no3.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for these,  Have added the link to my special issue on &#8216;Cloud Studies&#8217; (the art, culture and history of looking at the clouds), at: <a href="http://www.jurn.org/ejournal/vol1-no3.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.jurn.org/ejournal/vol1-no3.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Uncinus</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/clouds-before-planes-cloud-studies-1905/#comment-21293</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being selective is a good thing, if it goes to the heart of the argument.   If there is one thing that can be addressed that explained everything else, then why not simply explain that.  For example, you said:

&lt;bockquote&gt;The trails left behind linger hundreds of times longer than contrails (having seen chemtrailing and contrailing at the same time). &lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s the crux here.  You have made a simple mistake.  All scientists agree that contrails can last for several hours.  See:

http://contrailscience.com/persisting-and-spreading-contrails/

Hence, if everything else you say is based on this mistaken assumption, then there&#039;s not a lot of point in addressing those points.

Feel free to ask some specific questions though.

And yes, I have watched a documentary on Global Dimming, and I though it was interesting.   The Wikipedia page is also interesting.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being selective is a good thing, if it goes to the heart of the argument.   If there is one thing that can be addressed that explained everything else, then why not simply explain that.  For example, you said:</p>
<p><bockquote>The trails left behind linger hundreds of times longer than contrails (having seen chemtrailing and contrailing at the same time). </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the crux here.  You have made a simple mistake.  All scientists agree that contrails can last for several hours.  See:</p>
<p><a href="http://contrailscience.com/persisting-and-spreading-contrails/" rel="nofollow">http://contrailscience.com/persisting-and-spreading-contrails/</a></p>
<p>Hence, if everything else you say is based on this mistaken assumption, then there&#8217;s not a lot of point in addressing those points.</p>
<p>Feel free to ask some specific questions though.</p>
<p>And yes, I have watched a documentary on Global Dimming, and I though it was interesting.   The Wikipedia page is also interesting.  </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming</a></bockquote></p>
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		<title>By: cdo</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/clouds-before-planes-cloud-studies-1905/#comment-21182</link>
		<dc:creator>cdo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ucinus,

You seem to have forgotten to respond to this portion of mik&#039;s comment:

&lt;blockquote&gt;im not trying to go into “conspiricy theories” here, but basing my judgments upon what i see myself . I work outside most of the time and began seeing these trails in the last 3 years despite being an avid sky watcher. now, these planes only seem to be around between 6-8 am (where i am anyway), and on numerous occasions ive seen 6 planes in the sky and only 1, or 2 are spraying this stuff out. the fact that these planes dont seem to be on any of the normal flight paths going both over my home and workplace also seems a little strange anyway.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I too have seen different patterns as of late than those portrayed in your 1905 book. The planes I see (creating what I know to be chemtrails, not contrails) fly at much higher altitudes than commercial flights. They also fly in very unique patterns, sometimes going back and forth (creating grids across a certain section of the sky). The trails left behind linger hundreds of times longer than contrails (having seen chemtrailing and contrailing at the same time). Out of curiosity and slightly off topic (barely), have you ever watched a documentary called Global Dimming? I would like to hear your reaction.

Most importantly, I know someone who was a standout pilot in the airforce during his time in the Gulf War, and once he was released from his duties he and a friend were offered a very, very nice pay raise to fly planes for a top secret purpose which was described to me to be a lot like chemtrailing. He declined and his friend accepted. Obviously this is not enough evidence for you, but if you look hard enough I&#039;m sure you could find simlar stories.

And lastly, in response to this statement:

&lt;blockquote&gt;ALL the governments? Iran? Pakistan? North Korea? They all have TOTAL control over all the scientists in the world? Come on - one the one hand he gave DETAILED plans, and on the other nobody has built anything from them, in 100 years?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Saying Tesla&#039;s technologies were bought and used by one government is very different than saying all the scientists in the world were controlled by all the governments. To say that Tesla&#039;s findings were used on a massive scale in a secret program is not at all a stretch of the imagination. You know a lot about condensation in the skies but you seem to know very little about government.

I hope you are not selective in your response, as you were in many others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ucinus,</p>
<p>You seem to have forgotten to respond to this portion of mik&#8217;s comment:</p>
<blockquote><p>im not trying to go into “conspiricy theories” here, but basing my judgments upon what i see myself . I work outside most of the time and began seeing these trails in the last 3 years despite being an avid sky watcher. now, these planes only seem to be around between 6-8 am (where i am anyway), and on numerous occasions ive seen 6 planes in the sky and only 1, or 2 are spraying this stuff out. the fact that these planes dont seem to be on any of the normal flight paths going both over my home and workplace also seems a little strange anyway.</p></blockquote>
<p>I too have seen different patterns as of late than those portrayed in your 1905 book. The planes I see (creating what I know to be chemtrails, not contrails) fly at much higher altitudes than commercial flights. They also fly in very unique patterns, sometimes going back and forth (creating grids across a certain section of the sky). The trails left behind linger hundreds of times longer than contrails (having seen chemtrailing and contrailing at the same time). Out of curiosity and slightly off topic (barely), have you ever watched a documentary called Global Dimming? I would like to hear your reaction.</p>
<p>Most importantly, I know someone who was a standout pilot in the airforce during his time in the Gulf War, and once he was released from his duties he and a friend were offered a very, very nice pay raise to fly planes for a top secret purpose which was described to me to be a lot like chemtrailing. He declined and his friend accepted. Obviously this is not enough evidence for you, but if you look hard enough I&#8217;m sure you could find simlar stories.</p>
<p>And lastly, in response to this statement:</p>
<blockquote><p>ALL the governments? Iran? Pakistan? North Korea? They all have TOTAL control over all the scientists in the world? Come on &#8211; one the one hand he gave DETAILED plans, and on the other nobody has built anything from them, in 100 years?</p></blockquote>
<p>Saying Tesla&#8217;s technologies were bought and used by one government is very different than saying all the scientists in the world were controlled by all the governments. To say that Tesla&#8217;s findings were used on a massive scale in a secret program is not at all a stretch of the imagination. You know a lot about condensation in the skies but you seem to know very little about government.</p>
<p>I hope you are not selective in your response, as you were in many others.</p>
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		<title>By: Cueball</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/clouds-before-planes-cloud-studies-1905/#comment-5200</link>
		<dc:creator>Cueball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m self employed - all that means is that payment comes from various people rather than just one obvious one ;o)

As for not building anything of Tesla&#039;s, isn&#039;t that because Hoover took hold of all of his ideas/knowledge upon his (Tesla&#039;s) death?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m self employed &#8211; all that means is that payment comes from various people rather than just one obvious one ;o)</p>
<p>As for not building anything of Tesla&#8217;s, isn&#8217;t that because Hoover took hold of all of his ideas/knowledge upon his (Tesla&#8217;s) death?</p>
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		<title>By: Uncinus</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/clouds-before-planes-cloud-studies-1905/#comment-5195</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ALL the governments?  Iran?  Pakistan?  North Korea?  They all have TOTAL control over all the scientists in the world?

Come on - one the one hand he gave DETAILED plans, and on the other nobody has built anything from them, in 100 years?

I&#039;m self employed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALL the governments?  Iran?  Pakistan?  North Korea?  They all have TOTAL control over all the scientists in the world?</p>
<p>Come on &#8211; one the one hand he gave DETAILED plans, and on the other nobody has built anything from them, in 100 years?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m self employed.</p>
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		<title>By: QuoTodt</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/clouds-before-planes-cloud-studies-1905/#comment-5184</link>
		<dc:creator>QuoTodt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;To back up your belief, what? Tesla made vague mention of “Scalar Energy”, a technology that nobody has every demonstrated by experiment in any way. Technology supposedly invented 100 years ago that no county in the entire world has ever used - despite its promise of “free” energy. Somehow this is being used to modify the weather of the entire planet - and you can offer no evidence other than “it seems like something they would cover up if they were doing it”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wah? Say again?

&lt;i&gt;Technology supposedly invented 100 years ago that no county in the entire world has ever used - despite its promise of “free” energy.&lt;/i&gt;

So, because the government has&#039;nt released it, it could&#039;nt possibly exist?

Tesla...&quot;vague&quot;? Mate, which planet are you from? Tesla gave DETAILED plans on Scalar Technology and HAARP type effects possible.

I was happy to find your site at first as an &quot;opposing view&quot; but you are a very dishonest man and no doubt in somebodies employ and I dont mean Starbucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To back up your belief, what? Tesla made vague mention of “Scalar Energy”, a technology that nobody has every demonstrated by experiment in any way. Technology supposedly invented 100 years ago that no county in the entire world has ever used &#8211; despite its promise of “free” energy. Somehow this is being used to modify the weather of the entire planet &#8211; and you can offer no evidence other than “it seems like something they would cover up if they were doing it”.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wah? Say again?</p>
<p><i>Technology supposedly invented 100 years ago that no county in the entire world has ever used &#8211; despite its promise of “free” energy.</i></p>
<p>So, because the government has&#8217;nt released it, it could&#8217;nt possibly exist?</p>
<p>Tesla&#8230;&#8221;vague&#8221;? Mate, which planet are you from? Tesla gave DETAILED plans on Scalar Technology and HAARP type effects possible.</p>
<p>I was happy to find your site at first as an &#8220;opposing view&#8221; but you are a very dishonest man and no doubt in somebodies employ and I dont mean Starbucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncinus</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/clouds-before-planes-cloud-studies-1905/#comment-4747</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m all for thinking &quot;outside the box&quot; - that&#039;s a fundamental part of good science.

But, Jen, surely you don&#039;t think that all beliefs are equally valid?  If I said that many clouds were actually the spirits of dead aliens, and they helped clean up the atmosphere, then you would surely not give it as much credence as the more popular belief that clouds were just condensed moisture?

The point being - you have to have some basis for your beliefs.  You can&#039;t just go around saying &quot;well, you&#039;re obviously nor opened minded, my belief is just as valid as yours&quot;.   You have to have some reason behind your belief - otherwise it&#039;s just like religion or astrology - not science at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m all for thinking &#8220;outside the box&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s a fundamental part of good science.</p>
<p>But, Jen, surely you don&#8217;t think that all beliefs are equally valid?  If I said that many clouds were actually the spirits of dead aliens, and they helped clean up the atmosphere, then you would surely not give it as much credence as the more popular belief that clouds were just condensed moisture?</p>
<p>The point being &#8211; you have to have some basis for your beliefs.  You can&#8217;t just go around saying &#8220;well, you&#8217;re obviously nor opened minded, my belief is just as valid as yours&#8221;.   You have to have some reason behind your belief &#8211; otherwise it&#8217;s just like religion or astrology &#8211; not science at all.</p>
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		<title>By: jen</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/clouds-before-planes-cloud-studies-1905/#comment-4742</link>
		<dc:creator>jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my point was you think they COULDNT?
why?
because of &quot;proof&quot;
it&#039;s like mik said:
&quot;science only ever go&#039;s along with what happens to be the &quot;fashinable&quot; view at that period in history, and as with many things a great deal of &quot;scientificaly&quot; minded people belive in the possibility of these things but remain silent as that would be the end of their carears.&quot;

it’s people who can’t think outside their own personal belief on a theory that keep science at a standstill
in turn, proving you wrong is still fun later on when it’s widely accepted.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my point was you think they COULDNT?<br />
why?<br />
because of &#8220;proof&#8221;<br />
it&#8217;s like mik said:<br />
&#8220;science only ever go&#8217;s along with what happens to be the &#8220;fashinable&#8221; view at that period in history, and as with many things a great deal of &#8220;scientificaly&#8221; minded people belive in the possibility of these things but remain silent as that would be the end of their carears.&#8221;</p>
<p>it’s people who can’t think outside their own personal belief on a theory that keep science at a standstill<br />
in turn, proving you wrong is still fun later on when it’s widely accepted.</p>
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