It’s only a matter of time before someone with limited knowledge of persistent contrails harms a pilot or atmospheric scientist for being “in on the plot”. Maybe then this subject will get the attention it deserves and someone will find a way to explain persistent contrails in a way EVERYONE can understand! Then again, the chemtrail hoax believers are so distrusting of anyone around them, who doesn’t share their views, that they may NEVER be able to understand that they have fallen for one of the funniest hoaxes ever created. Funny, simply because it relies on the fact that a VERY large portion of the population has never studied atmospheric science OR aviation…and are easily led. It’s the perfect hoax…all anyone has to do to believe it is “look up” and forget about everything they learned about condensation.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/shasta-county-chemtrailgeo-engineering-contamination-cover-up.html

sad video… I feel bad for the guy. The people are commenting about stringing him up as a traitor.

@mmr, yes the crop loss is horrible. It is hitting our black belt region where our lands are the most fertile in the world. The soild is amazing, you wouldn’t believe it until you had the soil in your own hands. We are one of the largest grain exporters in the world so it can effect global grain prices easily. As for your political views and so forth, it would take assumptions by what you posted. I assume you are against big government by you being suspicious of them. I think that is a good thing. However, there is no other explanations for this “Chemtrail” nonsense. It really is horrible hoax that has nothing to do with real world problems. There are real pollutions. Even your shampoo and most soaps have a dangerous compound called Sodium Laureth Sulfate which is a carcinogen. So is most of household upholstry because they’re now synthetic and give off Chlorofluorocarbons which also isn’t good for your health. We are surrounded by harsh chemicals, garbage dumps, industrial wastes…. It isn’t suprising when people do tests and find things that are bad. However, it doesn’t mean to get paranoid, by limiting exposure and opening windows for ventilation and just simple health practices keeps modern man more healthy.
The government does have very bad people running it. They have sprayed defoliants in Vietnam and birth defects still occur there. BP just recently sprayed an ungodly amount of corexit in the Gulf. How can you link documented things like this to contrails? Cloud busting? Please don’t tell me you believe in the crystal cannon thing people hook up to a car battery…. A scientist here, in Russia, wanted to prove his gadget could break up the clouds. He used a huge ionizer. He pointed it up at the cloudy sky, hoping to clear a opening in the clouds when he turned it on. It didn’t…. It rained on him. The reporters laughed and left him to go back to his drawing board. (this story is on Russia Today)

http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-10-23/clouds-moscow-sky-experiment.html

-pay close attention to the scientific community’s response…. This man not only did not follow a scientific process. His only claim it works is he shut it off before it rained. I am surprised he is allowed to call himself a scientist.

-“Weather phenomena in the atmosphere, [such as] turbulence, cyclones and anticyclones, are extremely powerful. I wonder how a small device can influence it,” said Lyudmila Krasnokutskaya of the Institute of Atmospheric Physics within the Russian Academy of Sciences. – a quote from that news article is very telling about the atmosphere. And those who make cloud busters are arrogant if they think they can master the skies with a copper tube, a crystal, and a car battery.

Russian Air Force flew out to clear the skies during May 9th parade, I posted this here already, they accidentally dropped the whole bag of cement out the plane. It flew through someone’s roof. They use it to absorb the water crystals.

If you want to follow a journalist who investigates government wrong doings, that is credible, and is one of the true investigative journalists. I suggest reading and watching John Pilger’s work. He is one giving a deeper look to the Western world’s wrong doings that gets overlooked. I wouldn’t go for doom sayers like Alex Jones. They add sensationalism to real stories, and also complete nonsense. I can go off topic from these contrails…. Remember the Polish President’s accident? Youtube immidiately showed an eyewitness video from a cell phone. Nothing strange besides the accident itself. Some bullets were heard, most likely from the handguns of the President’s security burning off. Then a new video was released on Youtube. It is even said that it was Edited… They added Russian voices about killing them and stop and regroup. The whole thing is this is only in the edited version. Alex Jones site pushes the story that Russia murdered them. What would Russia benefit from that? It is just nonsense. They connected that video back to a group of Ukranians and Georgians. The point is with this example is the internet will toy with your mind if you let it. (two conscript soldiers did take a credit card from a body. It was dispicable, but we have issues filling the ranks of are military just as the United States and we have some people that are conscripts with questionable backgrounds.)
Contrails, even persistent, have been studied since the time of flight. In Russia we have few of them. We don’t have the size economy of England and America and we are also a huge vast land. So air traffic is less here. That latest close up video of the airplane on the mainpage of this site has the aerodynamic contrails. Whenever leading edges seperate the air and they collide back together, the pressure itself can condense water. The leading edges, flap mechanisms, and other places where vortexes can occur, create them…. I think… The pilots here will correct me if I am wrong. That was the latest evidence being used and it is really lame. None of these things proves anything. Everything is observations and pointing to government wrong doings or different fields all together and trying to connect the two as being one.

- The Powers That Be are bad, and have done bad things.
- Cloud seeding exists
- Therefore the chemtrail theory holds some weight

Is that what you are saying here?

So far, that is ALL that I’ve seen from these people. It’s why I BEG for evidence with each post I make. Will it be coming soon or will I STILL have to rely on what science says these trails are?!? I don’t see where I have ANY choice other than to agree with what I’ve been told about air saturation and jet engines.

I’d like to AGAIN make the point that it’s VERY entertaining when people, who haven’t studied Aviation and/or Atmospheric Science, lump completely different aviation industries together as part of their fears simply because they all happen to take place in the sky. And when they are informed about the facts, and shown where to find them by people who actually understand these things, they get HOSTILE.

There will NEVER come a day when I “believe” that these trails have ANYTHING to do with cloud seeding. They are two completely different things that happen in completely different areas of the atmosphere! Cloud seeding doesn’t EVER result in long, white, long lasting trails in a blue sky. In fact, without cumulus, there would be no REASON for seeding. And how often do we see persistent contrails among the cumulus?! When do we see cumulus and cirrus at the same level?! I really wish people would quit pretending that they have properly learned about these subjects from other people who haven’t got a clue! But, then again…there is still the entertainment factor here. Please, “chemtrail” hoax believers, don’t change a thing. I love you just the way you are!

Cloud seeding, cloud busting etc., are a part of this topic of chemtrails. While it may not be something you have run into from others leaving comments here, you have now. To assert that cloud seeding can only be benign in nature is rather absurd.

See now, that’s what we call a “straw man” argument. Obviously it would be absurd, so why even mention it. Are you implying that’s what someone here said?

Cloud seeding is a method of increasing the rainfall of existing clouds. It’s been around for decades. Nobody has suggested otherwise. People keep bringing it up as if it somehow adds weigh to the chemtrail theory. The argument seems to run like:

- The Powers That Be are bad, and have done bad things.
- Cloud seeding exists
- Therefore the chemtrail theory holds some weight

Is that what you are saying here?

We believe a thing until it is proven otherwise, both to our detriment and to our reward.

Well, stop doing that. Start questioning things instead. Like a scientist would.

By the way, if I thought for a single second that if I were nicer to the “chemtrail” hoax believers, they would be nicer to me, I would. But, I tried that and it didn’t seem to make any difference at all.

It’s not about making them be nicer to you. It’s about avoiding them erecting mental blocks because they feel you are not being nice to them. Being nice helps with communication. It may or may not help them be nice.

Of course the government (as with all people) are capable of wrongdoing. I just don’t see ANY evidence that “they” have anything to do with the trails in the sky. Please stop with that paranoid suggestion until you can provide a single shred of evidence that the trails in the sky have ANYTHING to do with “the government”. I’m sorry that your general understanding of basic science doesn’t cover condensation and air saturation. But, there is no reason, AT ALL, to assume that “they” have anything to do with this phenomenon.

Are you aware of the thousands of INDEPENDENT air quality monitoring stations around the world? Operated by people who actually CARE about and understand the atmosphere around them? Why not get in touch with one of these people and ask some questions?! Or, since they SURELY wouldn’t agree with you, would they then become the enemy? How about ANY atmospheric scientist?! Stop trying to convince those of us who learned the material from those qualified to teach it..Maybe you need to sell your case to the actual scientific community. Be forewarned…it’s a VERY hard sell given the facts as they are understood now. But, if you have the evidence…go for it!

As far as I can tell, and feel free to correct me, this site exists to present the facts as they are understood by atmospheric science and aviation. Nothing more. People come and make claims that THEY can’t back up using the knowledge of modern day science. They are ALWAYS given the option to post the “truth” in the matter yet, they post ignorant nonsense they INTERPRET as the truth and then provide nothing to back up their claims except insults and lies. Why can’t conspiracy theorists understand the concept of “evidence” and how very important it is!? Thank DOG for the peer review process and the scientific method!

I’m sorry if disagreeing with you “drives you away”. Actually, no…I’m NOT sorry!~ You people with your paranoid nonsense and complete lack of evidence make me SICK! Stop pretending that if you whine about being insulted, you won’t be insulted if you insult the intelligence of others. There is absolutely no evidence to support the “chemtrail” claim. If you have any, provide it…if not, stop whining about others who actually write/speak the truth about you when I (I don’t speak for anyone else) I claim that you fail to provide anything but the same anti-this anti-that BS!

“preach to the choir” Hmmm…sounds familiar…That must be why I get kicked out of every “chemtrail” hoax believers forum when I simply (nicely) ask for the evidence they seem to be keeping to themselves. Stop acting as if YOU “leave” there won’t be a reason for this website to exist. This site represents the truth as it’s understood by science and aviation. With or without “chemtrail” hoax believers to discuss these facts, the facts will remain.

i had actually written this comment out, on the site, and hadn’t copied it..and when i went to actually leave it, it went poof. i truly hate when that happens! Usually i can link it directly to the amount of time i spend in formulating a comment, and i spent some time on that one. Having said that, this will be an abridged version of the original. i won’t post the links, i will just give you google terms for google scholar. stratospheric engineering. (add decades to it to refine results that will take into account it’s potential starting point-1990, and to put it into context from data in other decades) There is a veritable treasure trove of historical and recent information on this topic.
Cloud seeding, cloud busting etc., are a part of this topic of chemtrails. While it may not be something you have run into from others leaving comments here, you have now. To assert that cloud seeding can only be benign in nature is rather absurd. That is the same kind of thinking that the hydrological fracturing industry uses when they “evaporate” the produced water in the sun with sprayers. That somehow it cannot be harmful to do such a thing because existing science says it cannot be, is short-sighted. We believe a thing until it is proven otherwise, both to our detriment and to our reward. So please do not try to usurp my example to prove your own perspective is somehow factual.
As to the assertion that governments only act first and legislate later in time of war, i suggest you go to the library, go take a few history classes at your community college, search the internet, talk to your elders; do something, because that view is the epitome of tunnel vision.
Government is not a “they,” it is an “us.” We are necessary co-conspirators of any potential conspiracy. We have created our paradigm by voting, by not voting, by refusing to participate directly in the processes of daily living that account for all trade activity, environmental hazards, and so on. We leave the elected to act on our behalf, and expect that they will do so in a manner which pleases us all. The problem with such non-participation is that you wind up advocating for slave labor in developing nations, genetically modified crops due to increased industrial farming in western countries, (as opposed to the genetic modification of crops that is not related to mono-cropping: such as tef crops in sub-saharan africa, where the cereal grain lodges and crop loss runs to 40%, which of course leads to starvation and makes the case that genetic modification efforts in some regions of the world are necessary and vital components in combating hunger,) environmental degradation and ultimately, decreased quality of life for the populace of the entire planet. One of the concepts that i came across, and hold dear is that human beings are incapable of accepting a shift of paradigm that requires instantaneous compliance. This idea runs through much of the scientific data presented on climate change, stratospheric engineering and all other means by which to mitigate the damage to our atmosphere. i would think that this website exists to close the gap between individuals, not to increase it. The commentary speaks otherwise. It seems that you cannot see. Do not assume you know where or how i came across the idea of chemtrails, you would be wrong. Do not assume that you know my political beliefs about the world specifically or generally. Do not assume that i do not read or go to the library. Do not assume that you know what conspiracy is; you have already made it quite clear to me that you have no idea what it is or how it manifests. Stop marginalizing others because you believe that your answers are the only answers. You have but one perspective, and i am still unconvinced that atmospheric geoengineering is NOT going on in our world. It seems that the belief here is, eventually, doing the same thing, (in how you approach any view that isn’t synonymous with your own,) is going to have a different result. It won’t. All that will be accomplished is that you will have driven another person away. And then you will left to preach only to the choir.

ps-Artyom, just wanted to let you know that i have read of the profound loss of crops in your country. i am sorry for that loss, and hope that both countries that i call home will participate in ensuring an adequate food supply in the coming months.

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. — Albert Einstein

i bet not many remember that persistant and cloud forming contrails have been claimed to be non-existent in the recent past. that used to be the argument: you are imagining this, it isn’t real..now it is said that contrails have always been that way. granted, it is a bit hard to come by such past commentary from the scientific community as everyone is claiming that it is entirely possible to have a whole sky of formations that are man-made as a result of chemtrails. this is such an amazing change of rhetoric-reminds me of the “ministry of truth” in orwell’s 1984.

That’s simply untrue. Persistent contrails have always been observed to exist, and to spread out and form clouds. I’ve posted many historical accounts of this. It’s always been in plain sight.

Can you provide ANY evidence on which to base your claim? Or even say why you think it is so?

Regarding being polite. I agree with you. Perceived impoliteness hinders communication.