Comments on: Chemtrail Myths http://contrailscience.com/chemtrail-myths/ The Science and Pseudoscience of Contrails and Chemtrails Sat, 04 Feb 2012 15:04:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jay Reynoldshttp://contrailscience.com/chemtrail-myths/comment-page-11/#comment-105949 Jay Reynolds Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:04:14 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/chemtrail-myths/#comment-105949 Yes, its a patent. One interesting facet of the ploy used by Michael J. Murphy and the Mt. Shasta Group is to falsely claim that this patent describes a "signature" for elemental analysis which can be confirmed by testing rainwater or atmospheric deposition and finding aluminum, barium, and strontium, because those are elements mentioned in the patent. That is false. aluminum oxide is the only one of those three elements mentioned in the patent. The patent does, SEPARATELY FROM Al203, mention Welsbach materials, which MIGHT have the characteristics of reflecting both visible and far IR wavelengths, yet allowing near IR wavelengths of pass back into space. The only reference in the patent for welsbach materials is thorium oxide, which is radioactive and was used in gas light mantles. I don't see any of the chemtrail believers finding thorium in their samples. Michael J. Murphy and the Mt. Shasta group have also falsely attributed the 1990 patent to a "mr. Welsbach", however, he was an Austrian gas mantle developer who died in 1929. The so-called "Welsbach signature", which is said to include barium and strontium, became part of chemtrails lore through the efforts of false conclusions and a self aggrandizing hoax by Carnicom and A.C Griffith as described here: http://metabunk.org/threads/210-How-did-barium-get-into-chemtrails Yes, its a patent. One interesting facet of the ploy used by Michael J. Murphy and the Mt. Shasta Group is to falsely claim that this patent describes a “signature” for elemental analysis which can be confirmed by testing rainwater or atmospheric deposition and finding aluminum, barium, and strontium, because those are elements mentioned in the patent.

That is false. aluminum oxide is the only one of those three elements mentioned in the patent.

The patent does, SEPARATELY FROM Al203, mention Welsbach materials, which MIGHT have the characteristics of reflecting both visible and far IR wavelengths, yet allowing near IR wavelengths of pass back into space. The only reference in the patent for welsbach materials is thorium oxide, which is radioactive and was used in gas light mantles. I don’t see any of the chemtrail believers finding thorium in their samples.

Michael J. Murphy and the Mt. Shasta group have also falsely attributed the 1990 patent to a “mr. Welsbach”, however, he was an Austrian gas mantle developer who died in 1929. The so-called “Welsbach signature”, which is said to include barium and strontium, became part of chemtrails lore through the efforts of false conclusions and a self aggrandizing hoax by Carnicom and A.C Griffith as described here:

http://metabunk.org/threads/210-How-did-barium-get-into-chemtrails

]]> By: Strawmanhttp://contrailscience.com/chemtrail-myths/comment-page-11/#comment-105696 Strawman Fri, 23 Dec 2011 22:11:20 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/chemtrail-myths/#comment-105696 What's there to "debunk"? It's a patent. What’s there to “debunk”? It’s a patent.

]]> By: Uncinushttp://contrailscience.com/chemtrail-myths/comment-page-11/#comment-105693 Uncinus Fri, 23 Dec 2011 22:09:02 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/chemtrail-myths/#comment-105693 It's a patent. There is no evidence it has been used. It’s a patent. There is no evidence it has been used.

]]> By: undecidedhttp://contrailscience.com/chemtrail-myths/comment-page-11/#comment-105690 undecided Fri, 23 Dec 2011 22:04:14 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/chemtrail-myths/#comment-105690 Somebody debunk this for me please..... http://www.scribd.com/doc/4296843/US-Patent-5003186-Stratospheric-welsbach-seeding-for-reduction-of-global-warming-spraying-with-aluminum- thanks Somebody debunk this for me please…..
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4296843/US-Patent-5003186-Stratospheric-welsbach-seeding-for-reduction-of-global-warming-spraying-with-aluminum-

thanks

]]> By: marcelhttp://contrailscience.com/chemtrail-myths/comment-page-11/#comment-101641 marcel Mon, 12 Dec 2011 07:26:59 +0000 http://contrailscience.com/chemtrail-myths/#comment-101641 Just looking at some of the chem FB pages, I get the impression that the only type of cloud that the CTs think is real, is cumulus. And more specifically cumulus which looks like the symbols at the top left of this page http://www.juicygeography.co.uk/weatheruk.htm All other types of cloud have "HAARP!!" " DEATH DUMP!!" etc as a description. I really think that they just do not know how many different types of cloud there are. Just looking at some of the chem FB pages, I get the impression that the only type of cloud that the CTs think is real, is cumulus. And more specifically cumulus which looks like the symbols at the top left of this page
http://www.juicygeography.co.uk/weatheruk.htm
All other types of cloud have “HAARP!!” ” DEATH DUMP!!” etc as a description. I really think that they just do not know how many different types of cloud there are.

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