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		<title>By: JazzRoc</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/#comment-28020</link>
		<dc:creator>JazzRoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncinus:&lt;blockquote&gt;I really should write a post on this.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The man to contact is &quot;Icewhale&quot;. I believe you know of him. He seems to have amassed a wealth of detail on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uncinus:<br />
<blockquote>I really should write a post on this.</p></blockquote>
<p>The man to contact is &#8220;Icewhale&#8221;. I believe you know of him. He seems to have amassed a wealth of detail on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Shilltastic</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/#comment-28013</link>
		<dc:creator>Shilltastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I really should write a post on this.&quot;

Yes, please do. There are so many people that believe the well documented testing in the UK, is somehow proof that the lines we see in the sky today are full of chemicals. That is much more than a stretch in logic! It&#039;s an assumption with zero evidence to support it yet so many people present the UK tests as &quot;in your face!&quot; proof! I&#039;m not even saying that &quot;the government&quot; is NOT spraying things in the atmosphere. I&#039;m saying that persistent contrails are not EVIDENCE of any such program. The science that explains persistent contrails is basic and simple. Some people don&#039;t trust science/scientists and assume they are lying about contrails but, in this case the science is unquestionable! When a jet engine burns fuel in varying atmospheric conditions, persistent contrails will or will not appear BASED on those conditions.

 I guess it&#039;s just easier to point to the sky and claim &quot;the government is doing that!&quot;. That way, the science becomes less important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really should write a post on this.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, please do. There are so many people that believe the well documented testing in the UK, is somehow proof that the lines we see in the sky today are full of chemicals. That is much more than a stretch in logic! It&#8217;s an assumption with zero evidence to support it yet so many people present the UK tests as &#8220;in your face!&#8221; proof! I&#8217;m not even saying that &#8220;the government&#8221; is NOT spraying things in the atmosphere. I&#8217;m saying that persistent contrails are not EVIDENCE of any such program. The science that explains persistent contrails is basic and simple. Some people don&#8217;t trust science/scientists and assume they are lying about contrails but, in this case the science is unquestionable! When a jet engine burns fuel in varying atmospheric conditions, persistent contrails will or will not appear BASED on those conditions.</p>
<p> I guess it&#8217;s just easier to point to the sky and claim &#8220;the government is doing that!&#8221;. That way, the science becomes less important.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncinus</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/#comment-28011</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 04:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately not.  The questions being asked here are:

- Are contrails now different to how they were 20 years ago?
- Is there any evidence that there is something being sprayed in the form of contrails?

That the UK government, decades ago, chose a very small number of times to test dispersal patterns of analogs of biological weapons, is not really relevant. 

Sure, the government &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; be testing super secret stuff on the entire planet, but is there any evidence that they are actually doing it?

I really should write a post on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately not.  The questions being asked here are:</p>
<p>- Are contrails now different to how they were 20 years ago?<br />
- Is there any evidence that there is something being sprayed in the form of contrails?</p>
<p>That the UK government, decades ago, chose a very small number of times to test dispersal patterns of analogs of biological weapons, is not really relevant. </p>
<p>Sure, the government <i>might</i> be testing super secret stuff on the entire planet, but is there any evidence that they are actually doing it?</p>
<p>I really should write a post on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Gevurah</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/#comment-28010</link>
		<dc:creator>Gevurah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this in ten seconds, I can keep finding more evidence that the governments do experiment on populations.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html

Hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this in ten seconds, I can keep finding more evidence that the governments do experiment on populations.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html</a></p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: mrbusdriver</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/#comment-27074</link>
		<dc:creator>mrbusdriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 01:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been to this site pretty much recently, researching discussiion of chemtrails on other boards. It&#039;s a great resource...and now, perusing some of the comment sections, I am seeing a lot of the same claims. 
Thanks for the site...will recommend it to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been to this site pretty much recently, researching discussiion of chemtrails on other boards. It&#8217;s a great resource&#8230;and now, perusing some of the comment sections, I am seeing a lot of the same claims.<br />
Thanks for the site&#8230;will recommend it to all.</p>
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		<title>By: JazzRoc</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/#comment-26467</link>
		<dc:creator>JazzRoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Av8er: here are some links:

&lt;em&gt;Psychology Today:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/is-your-brain-culture/200907/krzysztof-kie-lowski-and-correlation-causality
Krzysztof Kieślowski:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krzysztof_Kie%C5%9Blowski
Textbook of biological psychiatry By Jaak Panksepp:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yeLKvgbrcxgC&amp;pg=PA53&amp;lpg=PA53&amp;dq=Jaak+Panksepp+SEEKING+system&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=8oyFoDW-Md&amp;sig=jGePiGn0H2Qrayz30e-7IW5POFc&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=XC16SpzUKsLDsgbhhe2kBQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false&lt;/em&gt;

When analogue TV goes the way of the dodo such people are going to be deprived of the &quot;no signal&quot; visual screen noise, which digital technology has sidestepped...

There must be some link with optical illusions in general, but the rotating cube illusion (it goes either way but some people insist only one way) must also be connected, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Av8er: here are some links:</p>
<p><em>Psychology Today:<br />
<a href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/is-your-brain-culture/200907/krzysztof-kie-lowski-and-correlation-causality" rel="nofollow">http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/is-your-brain-culture/200907/krzysztof-kie-lowski-and-correlation-causality</a><br />
Krzysztof Kieślowski:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krzysztof_Kie%C5%9Blowski" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krzysztof_Kie%C5%9Blowski</a><br />
Textbook of biological psychiatry By Jaak Panksepp:<br />
<a href="http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yeLKvgbrcxgC&amp;pg=PA53&amp;lpg=PA53&amp;dq=Jaak+Panksepp+SEEKING+system&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=8oyFoDW-Md&amp;sig=jGePiGn0H2Qrayz30e-7IW5POFc&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=XC16SpzUKsLDsgbhhe2kBQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yeLKvgbrcxgC&amp;pg=PA53&amp;lpg=PA53&amp;dq=Jaak+Panksepp+SEEKING+system&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=8oyFoDW-Md&amp;sig=jGePiGn0H2Qrayz30e-7IW5POFc&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=XC16SpzUKsLDsgbhhe2kBQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false</a></em></p>
<p>When analogue TV goes the way of the dodo such people are going to be deprived of the &#8220;no signal&#8221; visual screen noise, which digital technology has sidestepped&#8230;</p>
<p>There must be some link with optical illusions in general, but the rotating cube illusion (it goes either way but some people insist only one way) must also be connected, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Av8er</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/#comment-26463</link>
		<dc:creator>Av8er</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read an interesting article about conspiracy theorists brain patterns. It mentioned something about how people who fall victim to these crazy beliefs tend to use a different part of their brain for reasoning.

They have something in that part of the brain that releases dopamine when they think they discover patterns in otherwise random occurrences. 

I wish I could find that article again. It really made you go hmmm. They do seem to get excited when they learn about some new link that they feel proves their point, and allows them to disregard actual proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read an interesting article about conspiracy theorists brain patterns. It mentioned something about how people who fall victim to these crazy beliefs tend to use a different part of their brain for reasoning.</p>
<p>They have something in that part of the brain that releases dopamine when they think they discover patterns in otherwise random occurrences. </p>
<p>I wish I could find that article again. It really made you go hmmm. They do seem to get excited when they learn about some new link that they feel proves their point, and allows them to disregard actual proof.</p>
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		<title>By: stars15k</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/#comment-25247</link>
		<dc:creator>stars15k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;For goodness sake, get one of those HEPA air filtration devices and test your own air.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Please remember when you have it tested that there is no way possible to link the pollutants in a ground level sample to anything you see over your head where contrails form.  This point seems to baffle so many on &quot;chemtrail&quot; sites, who routinely sample ground level air and water and base their assertions that &quot;heavy spray days&quot; ,when lots of contrails are visible and persist, are actually polluting their backyard.   You can&#039;t even link what might be in a rain drop directly to an exhaust plume.  To find out what is in a contrail, you must sample the trail itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For goodness sake, get one of those HEPA air filtration devices and test your own air.</p></blockquote>
<p>Please remember when you have it tested that there is no way possible to link the pollutants in a ground level sample to anything you see over your head where contrails form.  This point seems to baffle so many on &#8220;chemtrail&#8221; sites, who routinely sample ground level air and water and base their assertions that &#8220;heavy spray days&#8221; ,when lots of contrails are visible and persist, are actually polluting their backyard.   You can&#8217;t even link what might be in a rain drop directly to an exhaust plume.  To find out what is in a contrail, you must sample the trail itself.</p>
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		<title>By: JazzRoc</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/#comment-25184</link>
		<dc:creator>JazzRoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;B&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Uncinus, you seem to have an answer for everyone&lt;/em&gt;

Hey B, you seem to have a question for everyone.

&lt;em&gt;If the government is spraying in the ionosphere and manipulating some 30 miles above where planes fly&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s a difficult spot to reach. It could be only be done by sounding rocket from below. Such rockets are always visible, and would always get a mention in the news - unless they were very small, and launched into an overcast daylight.
If your concern is about putting a small cloud of metal ions into the ionosphere to test radio reflectivity, that would be a matter of a few pounds of material and entirely inconsequential compared the area and volume of the planet.

&lt;em&gt;doesn’t that still impact our system?&lt;/em&gt;

No.

&lt;em&gt;Also, if they are manipulating there&lt;/em&gt;

Manipulating what?

&lt;em&gt;why wouldn’t they be doing similar work below, with planes instead of satellites?&lt;/em&gt;

They cannot be using satellites. These fly outside the atmosphere. If they flew &lt;em&gt;through&lt;/em&gt; it, they would be slowed by it, and fall out of orbit. Orbital satellites do so eventually when the reaction fuel used to orientate the satellite gets used up. They are hardly likely to contain other materials to be &quot;dispensed&quot;. I can&#039;t ever recall a &#039;tanker&#039; satellite...
If you&#039;re talking &quot;chemtrails&quot; - persistent contrails are composed of ICE. They are frequently visible on radar screens.

&lt;em&gt;Do they have to display their actions on an FAQ online for it to be possible that they would do this?&lt;/em&gt;

No. But they cannot &#039;invisibly&#039; launch rockets either. And every pound of payload is accounted for. Military excepted.

&lt;em&gt;Also, I understand having scientific evidence to back this up and prove it right or wrong, but we are stuck here bound by gravity and the ones priviledged enough are the ones up there experimenting.&lt;/em&gt;

The only people experimenting &#039;up there&#039; are in the International Space Station.

&lt;em&gt;How could we prove it? Seems we only have what they tell us&lt;/em&gt;

Prove &lt;strong&gt;what&lt;/strong&gt;? What they tell us is in agreement with what we see!

For goodness sake, get one of those HEPA air filtration devices and test your own air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>B</strong><br />
<em>Uncinus, you seem to have an answer for everyone</em></p>
<p>Hey B, you seem to have a question for everyone.</p>
<p><em>If the government is spraying in the ionosphere and manipulating some 30 miles above where planes fly</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a difficult spot to reach. It could be only be done by sounding rocket from below. Such rockets are always visible, and would always get a mention in the news &#8211; unless they were very small, and launched into an overcast daylight.<br />
If your concern is about putting a small cloud of metal ions into the ionosphere to test radio reflectivity, that would be a matter of a few pounds of material and entirely inconsequential compared the area and volume of the planet.</p>
<p><em>doesn’t that still impact our system?</em></p>
<p>No.</p>
<p><em>Also, if they are manipulating there</em></p>
<p>Manipulating what?</p>
<p><em>why wouldn’t they be doing similar work below, with planes instead of satellites?</em></p>
<p>They cannot be using satellites. These fly outside the atmosphere. If they flew <em>through</em> it, they would be slowed by it, and fall out of orbit. Orbital satellites do so eventually when the reaction fuel used to orientate the satellite gets used up. They are hardly likely to contain other materials to be &#8220;dispensed&#8221;. I can&#8217;t ever recall a &#8216;tanker&#8217; satellite&#8230;<br />
If you&#8217;re talking &#8220;chemtrails&#8221; &#8211; persistent contrails are composed of ICE. They are frequently visible on radar screens.</p>
<p><em>Do they have to display their actions on an FAQ online for it to be possible that they would do this?</em></p>
<p>No. But they cannot &#8216;invisibly&#8217; launch rockets either. And every pound of payload is accounted for. Military excepted.</p>
<p><em>Also, I understand having scientific evidence to back this up and prove it right or wrong, but we are stuck here bound by gravity and the ones priviledged enough are the ones up there experimenting.</em></p>
<p>The only people experimenting &#8216;up there&#8217; are in the International Space Station.</p>
<p><em>How could we prove it? Seems we only have what they tell us</em></p>
<p>Prove <strong>what</strong>? What they tell us is in agreement with what we see!</p>
<p>For goodness sake, get one of those HEPA air filtration devices and test your own air.</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/#comment-25181</link>
		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unicinus, you seem to have an answer for everyone:

If the government is spraying in the ionosphere and manipulating some 30 miles above where planes fly, doesn&#039;t that still impact our system?  Also, if they are manipulating there, why wouldn&#039;t they be doing similar work below, with planes instead of satellites?  

Do they have to display there actions on an FAQ online for it to be possible that they would do this?  Also, I understand having scientifical evidence to back this up and prove it right or wrong, but we are stuck here bound by gravity and the ones privelaged enough are the ones up there experimenting.  How could we prove it?  Seems we only have what they tell us, unless you have the capability to do such scientific experimenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unicinus, you seem to have an answer for everyone:</p>
<p>If the government is spraying in the ionosphere and manipulating some 30 miles above where planes fly, doesn&#8217;t that still impact our system?  Also, if they are manipulating there, why wouldn&#8217;t they be doing similar work below, with planes instead of satellites?  </p>
<p>Do they have to display there actions on an FAQ online for it to be possible that they would do this?  Also, I understand having scientifical evidence to back this up and prove it right or wrong, but we are stuck here bound by gravity and the ones privelaged enough are the ones up there experimenting.  How could we prove it?  Seems we only have what they tell us, unless you have the capability to do such scientific experimenting.</p>
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