Of course, even given all that, the amounts found are not particularly high, given the collection method (two bowls on the hood of a car for a month).

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single/6017800.html

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread446066/pg2#pid6017800

Cheers!

First let’s assume for a minute that they are in fact adding something to the atmosphere and we’ll go ahead and say it is Barium. If you want to affect change by adding Barium you would have to somehow add enough to have some effect but at the same time be indestinguishable from normal Barium levels at ground level. The solution would be to add the required amount high enough in the atmosphere that it would dilute as it fell. So theoretically at altitude it would be at a much higher concentration. Perhaps this high concentration is what causes the chemtrails to be visible at altitude but become invisible as it falls and disperses. Sounds plausible. The problem I have is there is another misconception that when you fly on an airliner you are stuffed into a little metal tube where you breath constantly recycled air. This, of couse, leads to sickness because you are forced to breath the same air as your sick neighbors. This is totally false. All commercial aircraft (except the yet-to-be produced 787) use air from the compression section of the engines to pressurize the cabin. The air is taken in from the atmosphere, compressed (and heated) and then sent into the cabin where it is cooled and then dumped, unfiltered, for the occupants to breath. The air is constantly being sent through the cabin and is regulated by outflow valves. You can’t shut off this airflow for even a short amount of time or the occupants will pass out. So the myth of recycled air is simply a myth.
Now, if you are taking in air and compressing it, whatever is in that air (including Barium) would be highly concentrated. If you allready have high concentrations of some foreign element present you would be concentrating it even further with the aircraft. So therefore, if you are depositing something at altitude (chemtrails), whatever is in those trails would not only be present in much higher quantities at altitude in order to facilitate a functional depersive affect, you would find it present inside the pressurized aircraft at much, much, much higher levels due to the compressive effects of the pressurization system. Therefore you should expect to see physiological effects in passengers and pilots at a substantially higher frequency then any of the non-flying public. Is this the case?

Secondly, and I haven’t searched the entire thread so I apologize if this has been mentioned but Barium has a melting point of 760 or so. If you were dispersing it through aircraft engines it would melt during our high temperature starting process and there would be Barium, or a Barium coumpound, all over our turbines, ruining them. Same for aluminum. You would need something that survives around 950 C.

Just two points I wanted to bring up- thank you.

That link leads to an interesting website, yet another disinfo shill paid by the government no doubt.
http://www.nmsr.org/chemtrls.htm

I’m really not here to argue the definitive intent/effect of every contrail that has been seen. To me that seems pointless. I will simply leave you with a quote:

“There were no pictures or evidence that indicated anything other than the above contrail formation phenomena. Anecdotal stories of persons getting sick after contrails from obviously supersaturated tropospheric conditions lend no basis for belief that there are chemicals or biological agents being released. This type of story provides as much credence to “chemtrails” as does the belief that drinking milk is causally linked to heroin addiction. (Almost all heroin addicts in the US drank milk as children.)”
- M. Kim Johnson, Physicist (from my home state of New Mexico)

http://www.nmsr.org/mkjrept.htm

Don’t get mad at me chemtrail lovers I’m not even arguing against your view, just stating that the sample is worthless.

Basically, you cannot test a water sample that has been sitting out for a month. The lead level is worse than the Ba for this sample, but the lead shouldn’t be anything to worry about either because evaporation has been taking place. Think about it, take a jar of tap water and let it sit for a month. The water evaporates leaving the metals and salts. If your water has say 25% the alloted lead content we say is safe, eventually evaporation will bring the ppb to an unsafe level. Metals and salts dont evaporate…water does.

Even though we may not agree on the existence of chemtrails, we can agree that this sampling provides no sustenance. If you want to appear as a sensible advocate for the existence of chemtrails you should embrace this as flawed evidence that points to nothing. If you cling to this as proof, even though it is flawed sampling on the basis of basic HS chemistry procedure, you are really developing an online personality that suggests that you hopelessly believe in things besides basic scientific proof. This is not good for your position in the debate at all, as it is easily equated to your overall belief of chemtrail existence.

Again I’m not arguing of the existence, and I have my own opinion formulated. But I urge you, to put your bias aside that is skewing your interpretation. Be level minded and embrace that this evidence doesn’t prove anything. Focus on other evidence you feel is sufficient, and I will be level minded and listen.

Thank You

You cannot get an accurate humidity reading unless you’re up there at the same time in a plane.\
So stop baiting people

Stop Baiting? Says Mr. Potty Mouth!!!!!

I’d call baiting continually claiming to know what the humidity is at high alititude without revealing sources, personally.

That was the 3rd time I’d asked him to clarify how he was measuring the humidity he was claiming was too low.

Why is asking for clarification a bad thing? For all I knew he could’ve been measuring the humidity with something, in which case I would have to rethink what I believe here.

But no. It turns out that he wasn’t. So I can disregard his claims. But there was no point in disregarding them without knowing the facts.