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		<title>By: Madeleine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madeleine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 14:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear John,

&quot;2. I have seen many planes turn the trails off and on thus the “naturally occurring” part goes out the window. Look up at the sky and chances are you will see the planes do it too or at the very least see trails that have gaps in them...&quot;

Is cloud cover always continuous? Aren&#039;t there often gaps between one cloud and the next? 
 
&quot;3. Ask your self why one day you see them “chemtrails” and then another day you don’t, did the airports shut down for a day?&quot;

Ask yourself why sometimes you can see the stars at night and sometimes you can&#039;t. Atmospheric conditions vary. Read a little bit about what contrails actually are (plenty of explanations on this very site), and the answer becomes crystal (snerk) clear. Also, if a plane doesn&#039;t leave any kind of trail, that doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not there, but it does mean it might be very difficult for you to see with the naked eye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear John,</p>
<p>&#8220;2. I have seen many planes turn the trails off and on thus the “naturally occurring” part goes out the window. Look up at the sky and chances are you will see the planes do it too or at the very least see trails that have gaps in them&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Is cloud cover always continuous? Aren&#8217;t there often gaps between one cloud and the next? </p>
<p>&#8220;3. Ask your self why one day you see them “chemtrails” and then another day you don’t, did the airports shut down for a day?&#8221;</p>
<p>Ask yourself why sometimes you can see the stars at night and sometimes you can&#8217;t. Atmospheric conditions vary. Read a little bit about what contrails actually are (plenty of explanations on this very site), and the answer becomes crystal (snerk) clear. Also, if a plane doesn&#8217;t leave any kind of trail, that doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not there, but it does mean it might be very difficult for you to see with the naked eye.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://contrailscience.com/a-very-unusual-contrail/#comment-48185</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 01:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Video of this object that turns out to be an American intercontinental ballistic launched from Vandenberg California. Very impressive tail as viewed from China.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1128673/pg1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Video of this object that turns out to be an American intercontinental ballistic launched from Vandenberg California. Very impressive tail as viewed from China.<br />
<a href="http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1128673/pg1" rel="nofollow">http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1128673/pg1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very very unusual contrail made by what appears to be a UFO.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1293395/Chinese-airport-closed-UFO-spotted-city.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very very unusual contrail made by what appears to be a UFO.<br />
<a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1293395/Chinese-airport-closed-UFO-spotted-city.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1293395/Chinese-airport-closed-UFO-spotted-city.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: captfitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>captfitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 03:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So do you know if they are remaining in place or are they actually changing position?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So do you know if they are remaining in place or are they actually changing position?</p>
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		<title>By: Uncinus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 23:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually captfitch, I seem to remember that image being the UK Nimrod aircraft, flying in circles doing it&#039;s radar thing.  It&#039;s in the English Channel anyway. 

There&#039;s an interesting series of similar images here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8309629.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually captfitch, I seem to remember that image being the UK Nimrod aircraft, flying in circles doing it&#8217;s radar thing.  It&#8217;s in the English Channel anyway. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s an interesting series of similar images here:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8309629.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8309629.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Uncinus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 23:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an extensive discussion of the formation of structures in contrails in Clouds of The World:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Uncinus/CloudsOfTheWorld1972?feat=embedwebsite#

Note particularly 11.2.3 which came from a single engine fighter jet.  The photo was probably taken sometime in the 1960s.  Not quite Donuts on a Rope, but then neither are many of the youtube videos.

http://picasaweb.google.com/Uncinus/CloudsOfTheWorld1972?feat=embedwebsite#5363663222513766242


I&#039;d love to see a contrail from a Pulse Detonation Engine, but I suspect many of the candidates are just the result of normal factors.  Have a look at this analysis:

http://chriswjohnson.blogspot.com/2007/01/donuts-on-rope.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an extensive discussion of the formation of structures in contrails in Clouds of The World:</p>
<p><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/Uncinus/CloudsOfTheWorld1972?feat=embedwebsite#" rel="nofollow">http://picasaweb.google.com/Uncinus/CloudsOfTheWorld1972?feat=embedwebsite#</a></p>
<p>Note particularly 11.2.3 which came from a single engine fighter jet.  The photo was probably taken sometime in the 1960s.  Not quite Donuts on a Rope, but then neither are many of the youtube videos.</p>
<p><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/Uncinus/CloudsOfTheWorld1972?feat=embedwebsite#5363663222513766242" rel="nofollow">http://picasaweb.google.com/Uncinus/CloudsOfTheWorld1972?feat=embedwebsite#5363663222513766242</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see a contrail from a Pulse Detonation Engine, but I suspect many of the candidates are just the result of normal factors.  Have a look at this analysis:</p>
<p><a href="http://chriswjohnson.blogspot.com/2007/01/donuts-on-rope.html" rel="nofollow">http://chriswjohnson.blogspot.com/2007/01/donuts-on-rope.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: captfitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>captfitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That last pic was clearly just a plane doing circles in place.  Wind carried the trails further and further away as he made them but I don&#039;t know why he would have done those for so long.  But there&#039;s no rule that says he can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last pic was clearly just a plane doing circles in place.  Wind carried the trails further and further away as he made them but I don&#8217;t know why he would have done those for so long.  But there&#8217;s no rule that says he can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: nikki</title>
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		<dc:creator>nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow - morning glory - who knew ! I would so love to see those !

The aurora is documented for leaving odd trails - something to do with the way its engine works - in &quot;pulses&quot; so you end up with rings . . . it travels upward of mach 11 / 12 so &quot;seeing&quot; one is no mean feat since its usually long gone by the time you hear it :S

There is another trail reported to be from the same plane
http://www.nationalufocenter.com/images/aurora1.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow &#8211; morning glory &#8211; who knew ! I would so love to see those !</p>
<p>The aurora is documented for leaving odd trails &#8211; something to do with the way its engine works &#8211; in &#8220;pulses&#8221; so you end up with rings . . . it travels upward of mach 11 / 12 so &#8220;seeing&#8221; one is no mean feat since its usually long gone by the time you hear it :S</p>
<p>There is another trail reported to be from the same plane<br />
<a href="http://www.nationalufocenter.com/images/aurora1.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalufocenter.com/images/aurora1.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: JazzRoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>JazzRoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nikki: &lt;blockquote&gt;I have seen odd contrails – i believe they were from the aurora hypersonic jet and its pulse engine – “donuts on a rope”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m not sure hypersonic speeds and pulse jets are necessary to produce this effect.
More likely a combination of span and wing loading.
Uncinus, what do you think?
Meanwhile, a couple of clips which seem helpful to me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJk8ijAUCiI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU6M5hAe-TU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nikki:<br />
<blockquote>I have seen odd contrails – i believe they were from the aurora hypersonic jet and its pulse engine – “donuts on a rope”.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure hypersonic speeds and pulse jets are necessary to produce this effect.<br />
More likely a combination of span and wing loading.<br />
Uncinus, what do you think?<br />
Meanwhile, a couple of clips which seem helpful to me&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJk8ijAUCiI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJk8ijAUCiI</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU6M5hAe-TU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU6M5hAe-TU</a></p>
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		<title>By: Uncinus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 00:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a cloud

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_Glory_cloud

Clearly the video poster knew this, and was just trolling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a cloud</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_Glory_cloud" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_Glory_cloud</a></p>
<p>Clearly the video poster knew this, and was just trolling.</p>
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